How Many Times Does Biden Have to Prove He's Mentally Unfit B4 Dems Will Admit It?

[mikegriffith1]

I mean, seriously: Just in the last few weeks, Biden has said three times that he spoke with foreign leaders who actually died years before he thought he spoke with them. From a recent news article (published three days ago):

For the third time this week, President Biden told an audience that he discussed the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the US Capitol with European leaders who were actually dead at the time.

On Wednesday, Biden told Democratic donors in New York that he spoke about the riot with former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, whose death pre-dates the event by nearly half a decade.

The shocking gaffe comes just days after the 81-year-old president confused French President Emmanuel Macron with the country’s ex-leader Francois Mitterrand — who died in 1996.

Biden made the blunder Wednesday in front of audiences at two separate fundraisers as he regaled donors with an anecdote about his first international trip as president – to the 2021 G-7 summit in Great Britain – after his 2020 election win over former President Donald Trump.

Kohl, who served as the chancellor of Germany from 1982 to 1998, died in 2017 – nearly four years before the 2021 G7 summit.

Angela Merkel was the chancellor of Germany at the time of the gathering of world leaders Biden was referring to.

About 50 guests, including actor Robert De Niro, were witness to the gaffe.

Biden also referenced “Helmut Kohl of Germany” during the telling of a nearly identical anecdote during a stop at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel near Columbus Circle, for an event hosted by Dr. Ramon Tallaj, chairman of the nonprofit SOMOS Community Care and a member of Mayor Eric Adams’s COVID-19 recovery task force.

And then there was the truly disturbing time in late 2022 when Biden asked if deceased Congresswoman Jackie Walorski was present at a White House event:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jo...resswoman-present-white-house-event-rcna49898

Walorski had died nearly two months earlier, but Biden called out for her from the podium: "“Jackie, are you here? Where’s Jackie?” as he looked out and scanned the audience.

Are you kidding me? The guy is clearly suffering from serious cognitive decline. And, no, I'm not backing Trump in the GOP primary. I wish he'd quit and go enjoy what's left of his money. This should not be a partisan issue. Biden is clearly mentally unfit for office.

 

[Manopolus]

I don't agree, but even if true, a literal corpse is more fit for office than Trump, assuming that corpse has a few half-literate advisors around him to sort things out. A little brain fog is way better than the combination of criminally inclined and completely nuts. Sorry, but your excuse for trying to vote in a literal traitor to the constitution is not accepted.

Which makes his choice of parties kind of bizarre. All that waving of the flag, and you all nonetheless turn out to be fascists, somehow. Bizarre doesn't even cover it. And that's coming from one of your former "hero" military personnel, mind, so I hope it freaking hurts.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I don't agree, but even if true, a literal corpse is more fit for office than Trump, assuming that corpse has a few half-literate advisors around him to sort things out. A little brain fog is way better than the combination of criminally inclined and completely nuts. Sorry, but your excuse for trying to vote in a literal traitor to the constitution is not accepted.

Which makes his choice of parties kind of bizarre. All that waving of the flag, and you all nonetheless turn out to be fascists, somehow. Bizarre doesn't even cover it.

The only thing "bizarre" is your reply. You are a perfect example of the radicalized partisan poison that is ruining our politics.

Sheesh, you can't even agree that Biden is clearly, obviously, self-evidently suffering from serious cognitive decline? Really? Yeah, because you're consumed with blind partisanship.

If Trump had exhibited such troubling mental lapses, Democrats would have been screaming that he was mentally unfit and should be removed per the 25th Amendment.

 

[PitPat]

Still trying to figure out whether this is Poe.

 

[Manopolus]

The only thing "bizarre" is your reply. You are a perfect example of the radicalized partisan (...).

You can stop right there. I'm actually not particularly partisan. There are things I've always agreed with coming from both sides of the aisle, and things I strongly disagree with going on in both sides of the aisle.

Yes, I do have a preferred party, but that's pretty irrelevant since I don't actually care that much for either one of them.

You'll never hear me trying to defend a vote for an actual proven criminal, though. Regardless of party, I will never do that. That's a freaking promise. I didn't vote for Bill Clinton the second time around, either.

 

[Manopolus]

Sheesh, you can't even agree that Biden is clearly, obviously, self-evidently suffering from serious cognitive decline? Really? Yeah, because you're consumed with blind partisanship.

If Trump had exhibited such troubling mental lapses, Democrats would have been screaming that he was mentally unfit and should be removed per the 25th Amendment.

Oh and the interesting thing about the part I ignored...

I didn't even argue with you about Biden's mental fitness. I don't even care. My point was that it doesn't even matter considering who his opponent is. I'm not defending Biden in the least. Both choices are bad. One is just pure evil, though. The other isn't.

I actually have no idea how senile or not Biden happens to be. I just know that it doesn't even matter, given our choices. Like I said, Biden could be a literal corpse and I'd still vote for him over Trump as long as it was still a legal vote. That's how bad your candidate is. I'd still vote for Zombie Biden in a heartbeat. It wouldn't even give me pause.

So yeah. Your allegation isn't even relevant as far as I'm concerned. There are much more important things to consider. Among other things, Biden is docile enough to actually listen to his advisors (presumably experts) if he gets confused. Trump is not. The country was never intended to be run top-down by a single person, anyway.

 

[acbytesla]

This is so typically absurd. My father who was a very smart man used to get the names of his children wrong over and over and over again. This didn’t make my father senile or unfit. Yesterday I found myself attributing acts of LaPlace to Pascal. Never-ending these individuals lived a hundred years apart.

Trump is batcrap crazy. He is dangerous. He launched a violent insurrection and still, morons attack Biden over the most trivial of things.

 

[Steve]

A trump supporter is singularly unqualified to recognize, or comment on, the mental capabilities of any person.

 

[PitPat]

Unless she's at least a 9.

 

[Darat]

This is so typically absurd. My father who was a very smart man used to get the names of his children wrong over and over and over again. This didn’t make my father senile or unfit. Yesterday I found myself attributing acts of LaPlace to Pascal. Never-ending these individuals lived a hundred years apart.

Trump is batcrap crazy. He is dangerous. He launched a violent insurrection and still, morons attack Biden over the most trivial of things.

My mother is in her 80s and despite severe physical health issues hasn't developed any form of dementia. But we've always joked that if she were given a test, she would fail it when they asked for the names of her children or her mother's name! Everyone is used to my mother using the wrong name, you will be called the dog's name, even long dead dogs' names, your brother or nephew's name, the last person she spoke to name, if she gets the right name it's a bonus. But she's always done that, it isn't a sign of dementia. Biden apparently has a stammer/stutter, I have a very slight one (to do with "st" sounds only) and I have to sometimes pause when saying something to either substitute a different word or think about the word I'm going to say. (I expect that to get worse with age not better.) Again that won't be a sign of dementia.

 

[Fidelio]

Last I checked Biden did not vow to become a dictator upon election. Yeah Trump was joking...

 

[acbytesla]

My mother is in her 80s and despite severe physical health issues hasn't developed any form of dementia. But we've always joked that if she were given a test, she would fail it when they asked for the names of her children or her mother's name! Everyone is used to my mother using the wrong name, you will be called the dog's name, even long dead dogs' names, your brother or nephew's name, the last person she spoke to name, if she gets the right name it's a bonus. But she's always done that, it isn't a sign of dementia. Biden apparently has a stammer/stutter, I have a very slight one (to do with "st" sounds only) and I have to sometimes pause when saying something to either substitute a different word or think about the word I'm going to say. (I expect that to get worse with age not better.) Again that won't be a sign of dementia.

Your mother sounds like my Dad. But my Dad did this at age 40. I am one of 9 children. And my father would call me at least three of my brother's and maybe one or two of my sister's names before he would hit on my name. I'm also terrible with names. I would remember every detail of an interaction I might have with someone and almost never get their name.

This isn't dementia or intelligence or senility.

 

[Manopolus]

Your mother sounds like my Dad. But my Dad did this at age 40. I am one of 9 children. And my father would call me at least three of my brother's and maybe one or two of my sister's names before he would hit on my name. I'm also terrible with names. I would remember every detail of an interaction I might have with someone and almost never get their name.

This isn't dementia or intelligence or senility.

I've also experienced this phenomenon. I think in my case, though, it has to do with the fact that I travelled a lot for a particular job early in my career, and during that time, I very seldom saw the same person twice. I'm talking like eight years straight of this.

So basically, I just lost those skills because they weren't particularly necessary at the time. I've never got those skills back, either.

But family and really close friends I don't goof up, so maybe not exactly the same thing. I'm just worse than most with frequently seen acquaintances. As a result, I just don't use people's names much, which doesn't help if I want to change it.

It also doesn't help that I'm more recognizable than most... meaning that people have more of a tendency to recognize me than they can expect in return, anyway (I'm tall, as well as having a few other oddities). Or at least that's my excuse. I also have a fairly uncommon, but entirely pronounceable, first name, and have spent a lot of time with my name pinned to my shirt. So it might just be my own perception from experience more than anything.

Anyway, I guess that's enough senile rambling for now.

 

[Lplus]

If the opposition wasn't Trump, I reckon this thread would be a non event.

"even a corpse would be better than trump" is just silly.

I wonder if Biden going would force the Democrats to get behind a viable alternative who had a chance of defeating Trump. That said, I'd be ecstatic if the blowhard buffoon could be barred from running. It might give the Republicans a reason to get behind a sensible alternative as well.

 

[zorro99]

I like the job Biden has been doing especially for the economy so I’m inclined to vote for him again

 

[Mike!]

Man, hmmmmm, a semi forgetful older guy with a stutter, or a semi forgetful, untruthful, nearly as old guy with a documented history of rape, theft, intimidation, slander, and at least a half dozen other crimes including treason and sedition, plus open declarations of dictatorship were they to regain power.
Honestly, I'm torn.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Oh and the interesting thing about the part I ignored...

I didn't even argue with you about Biden's mental fitness.

Uh, you said,

"I don't agree, but even if true, a literal corpse is more fit for office than Trump, assuming that corpse has a few half-literate advisors around him to sort things out."

I don't even care. My point was that it doesn't even matter considering who his opponent is. I'm not defending Biden in the least. Both choices are bad. One is just pure evil, though. The other isn't.

Trump is "pure evil"??? Uh-huh, but you're not politically partisan at all. Nah, not one bit.

 

[Manopolus]

Uh, you said,

"I don't agree, but even if true, a literal corpse is more fit for office than Trump, assuming that corpse has a few half-literate advisors around him to sort things out."

That was the least important part of what I said. That's why I only used three words for it.

Trump is "pure evil"??? Uh-huh, but you're not politically partisan at all. Nah, not one bit.

Indeed. Republican vs Democrat is an entirely separate thing from my opinions about Trump. I actually respect some Republicans (not many, but some... and not many when it comes to politicians in general). The reasons I don't have any respect for Trump have nothing to do with the fact that he's using The Republican Party as his base. And I do mean using. He clearly has no actual respect for any of you. He just knows how to blow sunshine up people's butts now and then, while concentrating on telling you who to hate and otherwise directing your anger.

I know those skills. I've seen them in action many times. A good part of it is standard salesmanship, with an emphasis on conning people when it's used to this extreme. I've even been trained in some of it.

I don't get my opinions from the opposition. I get them right from the horse's mouth (or maybe the other end, in Trump's case).

 

[Mike!]

That was the least important part of what I said. That's why I only used three words for it.





Indeed. Republican vs Democrat is an entirely separate thing from my opinions about Trump. I actually respect some Republicans (not many, but some... and not many when it comes to politicians in general). The reasons I don't have any respect for Trump have nothing to do with the fact that he's using The Republican Party as his base. And I do mean using. He clearly has no actual respect for any of you. He just knows when to blow sunshine up people's butts now and then, while concentrating on telling you who to hate.

Especially the morning after he's ****** you.

 

[Steve]

Uh, you said,

"I don't agree, but even if true, a literal corpse is more fit for office than Trump, assuming that corpse has a few half-literate advisors around him to sort things out."



Trump is "pure evil"??? Uh-huh, but you're not politically partisan at all. Nah, not one bit.

Are you now claiming that your own op, in the USA Politics section, is politically partisan? If so it really has nothing to do with Biden's mental competence, does it?

 

[Darat]

Your mother sounds like my Dad. But my Dad did this at age 40. I am one of 9 children. And my father would call me at least three of my brother's and maybe one or two of my sister's names before he would hit on my name. I'm also terrible with names. I would remember every detail of an interaction I might have with someone and almost never get their name.

This isn't dementia or intelligence or senility.

My mother did it long before 40 - she's done it all her life.

 

[theprestige]

Last I checked Biden did not vow to become a dictator upon election. Yeah Trump was joking...

It has to be a joke, since it couldn't actually happen with our system of government.

 

[Darat]

Man, hmmmmm, a semi forgetful older guy with a stutter, or a semi forgetful, untruthful, nearly as old guy with a documented history of rape, theft, intimidation, slander, and at least a half dozen other crimes including treason and sedition, plus open declarations of dictatorship were they to regain power.
Honestly, I'm torn.

I know what you mean, it's bloody hard to find anything to distinguish these two old fellas apart.

 

[dirtywick]

biden definitely looks and sounds old as ****. but often when considering the circumstances and sources of that criticism, it's pretty clear that being mentally fit is clearly not that important to them either.

 

[mikegriffith1]

This is so typically absurd. My father who was a very smart man used to get the names of his children wrong over and over and over again. This didn’t make my father senile or unfit. Yesterday I found myself attributing acts of LaPlace to Pascal. Never-ending these individuals lived a hundred years apart.

Oh, come on. We're not talking about a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Did your dad ever claim that he spoke with someone who had died long before he allegedly spoke with them? Did your dad ever forget that someone had died two months after they'd died and then ask people if they were present at a meeting?

Trump is batcrap crazy. He is dangerous. He launched a violent insurrection and still, morons attack Biden over the most trivial of things.

It is scary that you believe this fiction. There was no "violent insurrection" but a protest where a fraction of the protestors got carried away and crossed the line. Are you not aware of the facts we've learned about this event in the last year?

Serious cognitive decline is not a "trivial" thing. The man's grip on reality is clearly declining.

 

[sackett]

When Biden was VP, he pretty often made the news (briefly) with gaffes of one kind or another. There was seldom a slow news day without a Joe Joke on the wires. He also got off some good quips. None of it mattered much because, I mean, you know, jeeze, he was only the vice p.

But now! Oh great good god of the Americans, what dreadful doom faces Our REPUBLICAN! Republic! entirely because this empty ruin of a politician is in the hands of manipulating Damnocratz! who will suborn the Great Work our own Donny Duce plans for us all &

now I'm sick of this whole line of prattle. Aren't you?

 

[Manopolus]

Oh, come on. We're not talking about a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Did your dad ever claim that he spoke with someone who had died long before he allegedly spoke with them? Did your dad ever forget that someone had died two months after they'd died and then ask people if they were present at a meeting?



It is scary that you believe this fiction. There was no "violent insurrection" but a protest where a fraction of the protestors got carried away and crossed the line. Are you not aware of the facts we've learned about this event in the last year?

Serious cognitive decline is not a "trivial" thing. The man's grip on reality is clearly declining.

Umm... no. Most of those people clearly intended to "get out of line" before they ever entered Washington D.C. You can clearly see that in their social media and the planning for the event. I'll let the courts sort it out, but they did exactly what was already intended well prior to the event. If anything, they stopped well short of what some of them intended. I suppose I should thank them for that, but it should have never been a thing to begin with. The election was over, period. They lost, period. There was absolutely no legitimate reason for the rally to begin with. The election was already determined, and there was absolutely nothing they could do to change it short of an actual coup, which is exactly what some of them were attempting.

Would you like to provide me with a time that a former president ever had a "rally" of this sort well after it was clear that he lost the election? I thought not. There's a reason that has never happened before. Bernie Sanders never had a single rally after he lost to Clinton in the prior primary (4 years earlier), either, despite also being a populist. There's a reason for that, as well. Bernie's people were PISSED. Every bit as much as Trump's were after the next election. Some of them even voted for Trump (not many, but some).

After you lose, it's time to calm your people down, not rouse them up. That's actually quite important in a democracy (or a democratically determined republic, if you prefer. I'm not going to mince those words with you). Absolutely EVERYBODY in the political sphere knows that.

 

[shemp]

I started another thread in which I claimed that both Biden and Trump have senility issues. This is true. However, when it comes to be mentally unfit to be president, only one of them is mentally unfit to be president, and it's not Biden.

 

[Steve]

Oh, come on. We're not talking about a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Did your dad ever claim that he spoke with someone who had died long before he allegedly spoke with them? Did your dad ever forget that someone had died two months after they'd died and then ask people if they were present at a meeting?



It is scary that you believe this fiction. There was no "violent insurrection" but a protest where a fraction of the protestors got carried away and crossed the line. Are you not aware of the facts we've learned about this event in the last year?

Serious cognitive decline is not a "trivial" thing. The man's grip on reality is clearly declining.

You are talking about Trump, right?

 

[Mike!]

Oh, come on. We're not talking about a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Did your dad ever claim that he spoke with someone who had died long before he allegedly spoke with them? Did your dad ever forget that someone had died two months after they'd died and then ask people if they were present at a meeting?


It is scary that you believe this fiction. There was no "violent insurrection" but a protest where a fraction of the protestors got carried away and crossed the line. Are you not aware of the facts we've learned about this event in the last year?

Serious cognitive decline is not a "trivial" thing. The man's grip on reality is clearly declining.

Somebody been sucking up the Fox Fiction version, I see.
Did you miss the part where Trump's own lawyer admitted it was violent?

Donald Trump's Lawyer Admits Jan. 6 Was a 'Criminal, Shameful' Riot

"...The events were shameful, criminal, violent all of those things... "

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...rump's,Ketanji Brown Jackson Thursday morning.

And then dumbass Trump actually said it was an insurrection?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-jan-6-insurrection-1234964730/

Now, stop making a fool of yourself, go back under your bridge and wait for the next unsuspecting billy goat to harass.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

How Many Times Does Biden Have to Prove He's Mentally Unfit B4 Dems Will Admit It?

I think you've got your answer.

There's really isn't a number of times Biden can prove he's mentally unfit before "Dems" will admit it.

I put Dems in quotes, because I don't think you're really asking about Dems, but about the progressive sorts that make up this board. Several Democrat voters I'm aware of have already stated that Biden is mentally unfit.

In either case, I think he's just fine to be President. He could win the office, cognitively decline even more, and things would go on just fine for the most part.

 

[Manopolus]

In either case, I think he's just fine to be President. He could win the office, cognitively decline even more, and things would go on just fine for the most part.

Well that's just it. The president doesn't actually make many decisions unilaterally, anyway. Unless you're talking about Trump.

 

[PitPat]

Hell, Jill Biden could be the new Edith Wilson. Fine.

 

[Manopolus]

Hell, Jill Biden could be the new Edith Wilson. Fine.

I doubt the O.P. will get your reference, but I'm just fine with that, as well.

 

[Thermal]

If mixing up names indicates senility, I've been senile since my teens. I've never gotten fuzzy about inciting imminent lawless action when publicly speaking tho.

I wish a stronger candidate than President Biden grabbed the reigns, but like I say about anything repulsive that happens, "hey, at least it's not Trump"

 

[Ryan O'Dine]

snip...
It is scary that you believe this fiction. There was no "violent insurrection" but a protest where a fraction of the protestors got carried away and crossed the line. Are you not aware of the facts we've learned about this event in the last year? ...snip

Can't let that go...

Of the more than 1,265 individuals charged since Jan. 6, 2021, department prosecutors have secured more than 718 guilty pleas -- including 213 who pleaded to felonies that include assaults on federal officers, obstructing law enforcement and seditious conspiracy.
...snipped...
The Jan. 6 attack caused millions of dollars in damages to the Capitol building and its grounds. The latest report from October 2022 estimated the losses at more than $2.8 million.

ABC

And the prosecutors are far from done.

Plenty of other sources if you don't like the MSM.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

... Trump is "pure evil"??? Uh-huh, but you're not politically partisan at all. Nah, not one bit.

It might be partisan but it is true. I suppose a malignant narcissist sociopath would be more precise.

Trump makes up stories every time he opens his mouth that are either projection of his own failures onto others or he imagines himself the superman displayed in those bizarre NFT trading cards.

He imagines he won an election against Obama in 2016. That wasn't memory loss, it was fantasizing. He still holds a grudge against Obama years after Obama embarrassed Trump at the White House Correspondent's dinner.

And the mixing up of Pelosi with Haley was a fantasy where he imagines the insurrection was the fault of [fill in the blank—antifa, the Deep State, Pelosi, and now Haley]. And his refusal to call the National Guard to intervene for almost 3 hours didn't happen in his mind. Instead Pelosi Haley was the one who failed to call for help.

It's not senility that is Trump's problem, it's mental illness. And we've all seen it for ourselves since he began campaigning in 2016 and the media turned its attention to Trump.

Oh, come on. We're not talking about a parent who mixes up their kids' names. Did your dad ever claim that he spoke with someone who had died long before he allegedly spoke with them?

Biden mixed up the names of Macron with another French leader. He didn't imagine he talked to a dead person.

Did your dad ever forget that someone had died two months after they'd died and then ask people if they were present at a meeting?

Hardly a sign of senility. A senile person would ask the same question over and over even after being told the man had died. Did Biden do that?

It is scary that you believe this fiction. There was no "violent insurrection" but a protest where a fraction of the protestors got carried away and crossed the line. Are you not aware of the facts we've learned about this event in the last year?

The evidence is overwhelming that Trump got it in his head (apparently planted by Eastman) if only the certifications of the electors in a few key states were stopped that Trump could then (we think) declare Martial Law and remain in power.

When he failed to do that his last move was for Pence to refuse to certify the votes/electors. Pence refused. That is why Trump sent the mob to the Capitol, to stop the certification of the votes.

I don't know where you got your version of events but I'm going by direct evidence I've seen with my own eyes. And a lot of that evidence was from things Trump himself said.

Serious cognitive decline is not a "trivial" thing. The man's grip on reality is clearly declining.

Yes, that is a critical problem with Trump. I'm not sure when that mental decline started with Trump but it appears it was quite young in his life.

 

[PitPat]

<snip>He still holds a grudge against Obama years after Obama embarrassed Trump at the White House Correspondent's dinner.

Story goes it was Seth Meyers who actually got his goat. He was not laughing along.

 

[novaphile]

I see the Republicans are sticking to 'The Big Lie' method of campaigning, that they love so much.

It's weird to see them playing the lie this early though isn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I mean, seriously: Just in the last few weeks, Biden has said three times that he spoke with foreign leaders who actually died years before he thought he spoke with them. From a recent news article...

Are you kidding me? The guy is clearly suffering from serious cognitive decline. And, no, I'm not backing Trump in the GOP primary. I wish he'd quit and go enjoy what's left of his money. This should not be a partisan issue.

Yes, he is. This is totally expected. By age 81 most people have experienced 'serious cognitive decline'.

Cognitive Changes With Aging

Cognitive decline is inevitable, but the extent to which it occurs and the rapidity of onset varies among individuals. There is much evidence that cognitive decline is neither uniform among people, nor is it uniform across the different cognitive functions of the brain. In other words, some 60 years olds experience worse memory loss than other 70 year olds, and one person may have excellent episodic memory but impaired executive control. This inter-individual variability is likely caused by biological, psychological, health-related, environmental, and lifestyle factors and mechanisms.

In general, however, the symptoms of cognitive decline that are associated with aging include:

1. Slower inductive reasoning / slower problem solving
2. Diminished spatial orientation
3. Declines in perceptual speed
4. Decreased numeric ability
5. Losses in verbal memory
6. Few changes in verbal ability

Biden is clearly mentally unfit for office.

No, he isn't. We already went over this with the last president. Provided he is still able to 'discharge the powers and duties of his office' he is fit for the job. And you don't get to decide the criteria for that.

But hey, I get where you are coming from. I too am worried Biden's mental acuity. I just hope he holds it together until November so he can beat Trump (who I also also hope manages to hold it together).