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Al Qaeda to Publish Book About How They Planned the 9-11 Attacks (Not Confirmed)

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Their chief weapon is surprise:

he Al-Qaeda terrorist network on Sunday released a book written by a senior member including a detailed timeline leading up to the attacks on several U.S. airliners on September 11, 2001 which left nearly 3,000 people dead in three locations.

Marking the 21st anniversary of the attacks, the book was written by Abu Muhammad al-Masri, a senior Al-Qaeda member who was reportedly killed in Iran in 2020.

In the nearly 250-page volume, he said that al-Qaeda had been preparing for an attack targeting U.S. interests since it set foot in Afghanistan in 1996, with the goal of dragging the U.S. into a long-term war of attrition.

The initial idea came up when an Egyptian pilot suggested flying a civilian plane carrying thousands of gallons of flammable material into “an important and symbolic American building,” according to the book shared online by al-Qaeda’s media arm, As-Sahab.
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Sources:

https://gazettengr.com/al-qaeda-releases-book-detailing-planning-for-september-11-attacks/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/al-qaeda-releases-book-detailing-planning-of-terror-attacks

I cannot find the book itself yet, and it would be nice if there were better sources for this story...but the idea that AL Qaeda is sick of hearing people tell them 9-11 was an inside job made my day
 
Axxman300 said:
Their chief weapon is surprise:



Sources:

https://gazettengr.com/al-qaeda-releases-book-detailing-planning-for-september-11-attacks/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/al-qaeda-releases-book-detailing-planning-of-terror-attacks

I cannot find the book itself yet, and it would be nice if there were better sources for this story...but the idea that AL Qaeda is sick of hearing people tell them 9-11 was an inside job made my day
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Oh dear.

So what are all the 9-11 conspiracy theorists going to say now? That Al Qaeda is a fake organisation and it was all a false flag?
 
And the Truthers will claim that it is fake

Any and all evidence that contradicts their belief system is fake
 
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In related news, Al Qaeda just announced the first book that absolutely no one will feeling guilty about pirating, instead of buying legitimately.
 
I heard from a trusted deep-cover source that the book is actually ploy by the NSA, so they can track who purchases it internationally. They even plan to build undetectable listening devices into the printed copies.
 
Myriad said:
I heard from a trusted deep-cover source that the book is actually ploy by the NSA, so they can track who purchases it internationally. They even plan to build undetectable listening devices into the printed copies.
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It goes even beyond that. The ink has a layer of non-biologically processable nanobots that adhere to skin. Once activated by this anchoring, they bore into the body, where they track, listen and record. They transmit by sending specialized micro-tremors from the esophagus that are received by yet undisclosed receptors. Some of the integrated nanobots are also available for mind-control service, if deemed desirable. And finally, as well as most dastardly, the bulk of them lay in wait for the command to self-destruct; thereby, engulfing the subject into an otherwise presumed case of spontaneous combustion, leaving no discernable trace of their incorporation.
 
It would be hilarious if they named their Saudi donors, and how much they donated, and when. I mean, what's the point of being a terrorist organization if you can't be productive, and stir up serious doo doo at the same time?:D
 
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In the nearly 250-page volume, he said that al-Qaeda had been preparing for an attack targeting U.S. interests since it set foot in Afghanistan in 1996, with the goal of dragging the U.S. into a long-term war of attrition
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I'm not so certain I believe that was the plan on 9/11.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
And on what are you basing that assessment?
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I believe it has been stated that they had no idea that the buildings would fall. Without that, I am not certain we would have gone to a full-scale war. I think it has even been brought up in the past that the size of the US response was not anticipated.

It sounds more like an after-the-fact, "We meant for that to happen".

I'm not going to die on this hill, though. I don't care that much.
 
I agree with Warp 12 on this. I tend to think it was meant to be symbolic and “brand-building.”
Also, OJ did it.
 
What evidence do you have that Al Qaeda did not want to drag the US into a war of attrition?
What do you think AQ's aims were?
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Cosmic Yak said:
What evidence do you have that Al Qaeda did not want to drag the US into a war of attrition?
What do you think AQ's aims were?
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As far as what I think their goal was? I think they felt they could humiliate the US, and that it would be uplifting for their group image in the demographic they sought. If I'm wrong, ok.
 
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Warp12 said:
I believe it has been stated that they had no idea that the buildings would fall. Without that, I am not certain we would have gone to a full-scale war.
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How much do you know about structure fires?

If the buildings hadn't collapsed, how do you think the next few hours, days, and weeks after 9:59 AM on 9/11 would have played out?
 
Myriad said:
How much do you know about structure fires?

If the buildings hadn't collapsed, how do you think the next few hours, days, and weeks after 9:59 AM on 9/11 would have played out?
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I am not a fire damage expert. I am just going by what I recall that the organization was surprised the buildings fell. I think we know a lot more about the mechanics of the collapse now, than they knew when they decided to fly planes into the buildings.

I have no idea how the period after would have played out; I am just doubtful we would have ended up camped out in Afghanistan for the next 20 years. I am not sure support for the war would have been as strong.

I could be wrong, and I am ok with that.
 
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Warp12 said:
I have not read it, but I will look into it. Thanks for the suggestion. As I say, I am not a 9/11 historian. Most of what I recall has come from mainstream news sources over the years. I see there was actually a miniseries based on the book.

I had never recalled a position of "we wanted them to invade Afghanistan and occupy it for 20 years, while our supporters were forced to live in caves, and our organization was aggressively targeted for extinction". It is kind of funny for them to claim that now.
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The living in caves was not so much because they were forced to: it was a deliberate reference to the life of the Prophet Mohammed. Bin Laden was playing on Muslim sentiments, styling himself as being as humble and as persecuted as Mohammed. It was a planned piece of propaganda. References to 'cave dwellers' are missing the point, although this can be excused as it's a point most non-Muslims wouldn't pick up on.
 
Stop the bickering, stay on topic please
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Warp12 said:
I am not a fire damage expert. I am just going by what I recall that the organization was surprised the buildings fell. I think we know a lot more about the mechanics of the collapse now, than they knew when they decided to fly planes into the buildings.

I have no idea how the period after would have played out; I am just doubtful we would have ended up camped out in Afghanistan for the next 20 years. I am not sure support for the war would have been as strong.

I could be wrong, and I am ok with that.
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What I'm getting at is that most of the people trapped in the towers on and above the fire floors were already dead, dying, or doomed, and few if any would have been saved by firefighting and rescue operations. The collapse of the buildings ended and largely erased thousands of agonizing stories that were playing out in the upper towers. It's true that without the collapses the first responders wouldn't have died, nor would the people who made it to the stairwells below the fires. But instead of the dust-cloud street scenes there would have been thousands of individual cases of identifiable bodies found burned, suffocated, and pulverized from jumping. Coming to light over days and weeks as forensic investigators got access to the building and victims' families demanded answers and closure. The burned-out towers themselves would have loomed over the area, until some kind of demolition could be designed (probably requiring beam-by-beam dismantling due to the other intact buildings nearby, taking months or years).

All that imagery might not have been quite as powerful as what we actually got, but I think war would still have been overwhelmingly likely.
 
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What I'm getting at is that most of the people trapped in the towers on and above the fire floors were already dead, dying, or doomed, and few if any would have been saved by firefighting and rescue operations. The collapse of the buildings ended and largely erased thousands of agonizing stories that were playing out in the upper towers. It's true that without the collapses the first responders wouldn't have died, nor would the people who made it to the stairwells below the fires. But instead of the dust-cloud street scenes there would have been thousands of individual cases of identifiable bodies found burned, suffocated, and pulverized from jumping. Coming to light over days and weeks as forensic investigators got access to the building and victims' families demanded answers and closure. The burned-out towers themselves would have loomed over the area, until some kind of demolition could be designed (probably requiring beam-by-beam dismantling due to the other intact buildings nearby, taking months or years).

All that imagery might not have been quite as powerful as what we actually got, but I think war would still have been overwhelmingly likely.
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I agree completely with you: We know today, in hindsight, that the crashes and fires were such that no escape was possible from above the fire floors, and that very nearly all victims there of the collapse would instead have fallen victim to suffocation and heat - deaths even far more gruesome.

Just want to add that this is most likely not something that AQ expected, calculated hoped for. They probably had dim fantasies of several hypothetical outcomes, ranging from "towers tip over like dominos" (wasn't that what they hoped for in 1993?) to "just a horrific gash in the wall". I don't think they counted on taking out all staircases and thus exit routes. Collapse was probably something they hoped for, but could not realistically model, nor could they compute the likelihood of this happening.

It's just in hindsight that we know that with or without collapse, the death toll would have been similar and the images indelible.
 
I believe they (KSM) said they were pleasantly surprised when the buildings came down.

In the weeks before the attack, there was a split in Al Qaeda's leadership over the plan. KSM, Dr. Z, and UBL believed the US response would be limited to cruise missiles (again), but the others felt it was too big of a risk to strike within CONUS as it was one thing to hit an embassy, or a destroyer, but buildings in Manhattan would change the game.

And while Afghanistan and Iraq weren't exactly victories, these wars damaged Al Qaeda's image within the Arab world. Especially their actions against civilians in Iraq, which led to the Anbar Awakening in 2007. Jihadist terror worldwide organizations have been weakened or eliminated by US counter-terror teams working with local militaries. It's at the point where as soon as someone flies a Jihad terror flag somewhere, the US nails them with drones, or Delta, or DEVGRU.

We didn't start this thing, and all Al Qaeda has to do is announce they're done targeting the US and our allies, and we'll be happy to keep our guys at Ft. Bragg and Dam Neck to shoot paper targets.
 
Oystein said:
I agree completely with you: We know today, in hindsight, that the crashes and fires were such that no escape was possible from above the fire floors, and that very nearly all victims there of the collapse would instead have fallen victim to suffocation and heat - deaths even far more gruesome.

Just want to add that this is most likely not something that AQ expected, calculated hoped for. They probably had dim fantasies of several hypothetical outcomes, ranging from "towers tip over like dominos" (wasn't that what they hoped for in 1993?) to "just a horrific gash in the wall". I don't think they counted on taking out all staircases and thus exit routes. Collapse was probably something they hoped for, but could not realistically model, nor could they compute the likelihood of this happening.

It's just in hindsight that we know that with or without collapse, the death toll would have been similar and the images indelible.
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If I recall, they had engineers who had studied the structure, so it was a little more than just hoping. I recall reading the 1993 attempt could have been successful if carried out properly........but that was a long time ago, I am not as young as I used to be.
 
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