This. They're not innocent moderates who happened to be taken in by a manipulator, it's people who were either supporters of authoritarianism and bigotry or who weren't, but who still decided those things weren't dealbreakers to them. ◊◊◊◊ them. I was ready for peace and reconcilliation in 2020. Never again.
I'm not going to defend any Trump voter, but I still think some were clueless and maybe never voted before. Their info came all form social media. Not saying much about the voters, they are pretty dim for doing that.
There are a lot of Cargo Cult Bipartisans out there, especially in the Democratic party. People who rather liked the possibly-never-happened era of bipartisan comity decades ago where they would go to parties with people from the other side and discuss ideas and make deals. They want to bring that era back, and have decided that the way to do it is to pretend it never stopped. Be reasonable, reach towards the middle, never be too rude or uncivil, and the other side will do the same!
January 6th should have brought down the apocalyptic wrath of the whole state on the party of treason.
The thing is the MAGAts are the same people as the Teahadists who were the same people as the Dixiecrats. The evil is generational with this crowd.
It is sad that you don't know what an actual Nazi even is. You aren't alone, though.
Dude. Trans participation in women’s sports is a losing issue for the Democrats. And not by small margins either. That you can’t even recognize that speaks volumes. But then, given your Nazi delusions, I didn’t really expect anything else. You really are drinking the Koolaid.
FTFY
Complain about it all you want to, but the fact remains, Newsome switched position because his old position is an electoral loser.
I'm not debating the topic. It doesn't matter what you and I think about it. In the context of this thread, what matters is what the electorate thinks about it. And the electorate is strongly opposed to trans participation in women's sports. That's not really up for debate, that's just a fact, one which you aren't even disputing. Newsome switched position because he's smart enough to realize that, and to act accordingly. You're upset that as a politician, he's taking the popular position instead of the fringe position. And that is, quite frankly, stupid. Seriously, what do you expect of him? To take fringe positions that could cost him his chance at winning? Why?
We aren't debating the merits of trans participation in women's sports. We're talking about Democrats taking a position on the topic. And YOU brought that up, not me. And it's ironic that you accuse me of avoiding the issue, since you're running away from this, not me.
Democrats who want to reach out to voters that aren't already going to vote Democrat automatically.
An audience. Obviously.
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of someone bringing up trans women in sports or locker rooms approaches one."
I explained why this is stupid. Running to the right never works for democrats. Especially when it requires throwing already marginalized people under the bus.
No one listening to a moron like Charlie Kirk is ever going to vote for a Democrat. Especially not the governor of Wokeifornia, Gavin Newscum. Newsom speaks in full sentences, which isn't what Charlie Kirk listeners want. There is no topic at all, be it transgender rights, gun control, tax policy, Gaza, climate change, or whatever, that Charlie Kirk and his listeners want an earnest and informed discussion about.
Of who? Billionaire donors? The right-wing media ecosystem does not exist to have intelligent discussions. It does not exist to promote "free speech" or a "marketplace of ideas". It exists to produce soundbites to push right-wing myths. All Newsom has done is give a race-baiting, smooth brained grifter credibility. Do you honestly expect me to pretend that a bunch of racists lowlifes who ride the shriveled orange dick of a rapist give one iota of a ◊◊◊◊ about women's sports? This is all a distraction and the Democrats keep playing into it.
It's running to the center. And it worked for Bill Clinton.
Not if the Democrats never reach out to them, they won't.
Your justification for why Newsome shouldn't have had a discussion with Kirk... is that Kirk doesn't do discussions?
It's running to the right
But it didn't work long term for the Democrats or Americans. All the republicans did was run further right.
again, that is not the forum for reaching out to people unless you are selling what they already want.
He doesn't do honest discussions.
Do you want me to pretend you are too stupid to understand what we're discussing?
How would you know? No presidential candidate really tried in since Bill.
I'm not sure why I have to keep pointing this out, but keeping trans out of women's sports is a centrist position. It is overwhelmingly popular among voters. It's popular even among Democrat voters.
And yet, your objection to Newsome's conversation with Kirk has nothing to do with the honesty or dishonesty of the discussion itself. So I don't really believe you when you claim this is the issue, because you don't act like it's the issue.
I'd like you to stop pretending to care about anything other than enforcing leftist orthodoxy. Because you don't. You don't care about winning elections, you don't care about reaching out to independent voters, you don't actually care about honest discussion. You just don't want anyone on the left to leave the reservation, and you're mad that Newsome dipped his toe over that line.
Absolute ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. The democrats have been running even with Reagan for 40 years. Everything they do is done with the preference for helping big business.
Its an issue no one cares about. Its just something for right-wingers to bog down actual serious conversations.
It's 100% that. Did I not make that clear? Where do I go back and edit my posts so I use smaller words?
Its an issue because your billionaire daddies want you to think its an issue. So Americans keep fighting each other and blaming these icky minority groups instead of looking at the people with the money and power.
You mean civil rights?
True. Instead of talking about it, just pass radical legislation that is deeply unpopular, and then don't talk about it at all. Because democracy.
Works for the GOP...
Can you provide the exact legislation you are referring to? Because last I checked, Trump was the one who actually signed legislation protecting gender affirming care in prisons.
Do you mean like passing massive tax cuts for billionaires in the middle of the night?
no - ignore it, point to the Constitution which says nothing on the issue, hence it should not be legislated.
That's... not the approach Democrats have employed.
Wait, what? Any time Republicans do legislate it, the Dems throw a ◊◊◊◊ fit.
Yeah, the Democrats have not been following your advice. Not even remotely.
For example:
www.nbcnews.com
Ya, that's the problem. They keep trying to jump through these culture war hoops republicans set.
General Welfare
Ya, because there's no place for such legislation. Let's move on to things that actually effect people.
Again, that's the problem.
that's your idea of radical?For example:
School Success and Opportunity Act - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
California bans school rules requiring parents get notified of child’s pronoun change
Proponents say the law will help protect LGBTQ students, while opponents say it will hinder schools’ ability to communicate transparently with parents.
Republicans didn't start the transgender culture war. You're just upset that they're winning it. The left is used to winning all the culture war issues, and doesn't know how to handle it when they lose one.
Glad you agree that we can dispense with TGZ's fiction that the federal government only acts on issues that are explicitly mentioned in the constitution.
Oh please. The left is absolutely fine with legislating trans issues, and has done so on multiple occassions. They aren't upset that it's being legislated, only that it's not being legislated in their favor.
You are correct. Republicans didn't start the transgender culture war. That had been going on for millennia. It's only fairly recently that it became relatively safe to say we shouldn't brutalize these people.
Not letting trans-identified males compete against females isn't brutalizing them.
Do you honestly think the transgender panic crowd will stop there? There are thousands of years of historical oppression there, but you think they will let it go if we prohibit a small number of transgender athletes who want to compete? Do you really believe that will be it?
I think the majority of voters will stop will sensible measures, yes. But the Democrats can’t even concede that much. It’s part of why they lost.