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has been interviewed shortly before taken hostage. Their mission was to inspect the state of the Ukrainian military. The question is why the hell they were "inspecting" road blocks in Sloviansk days later, and the German government isn't forthcoming with an explanation so far.

Is there something in Vienna 2011 that prevents the host state/visitor states from "inspecting road blocks in Sloviansk"? I ask only because I don't speak German and haven't found a translation of the interview you linked to.

Link to the Vienna 2011 document

Vienna 2011 deals specifically with States, not with States and separatists or rebels. I feel this is pertinent.
 
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Is there something in Vienna 2011 that prevents the host state/visitor states from "inspecting road blocks in Sloviansk"? I ask only because I don't speak German and haven't found a translation of the interview you linked to.

Link to the Vienna 2011 document

Vienna 2011 deals specifically with States, not with States and separatists or rebels. I feel this is pertinent.

CE is just trying to promulgate the conspiracy theory favored by the terrorists and their backers in the Kremlin as justification for taking hostages. Of course it's entirely transparent.
 
It's fun to see how those "little details" are successfully non-reported even at the Empire's periphery, isn't it? And the fooled never seem to learn and parrot on and on, completely unthinking. And the shills come back every time with a big mouth as if everybody already forgot the crap they talked yesterday.

OSCE confirming. Here are some more details about that rather unusual German-led mission. Check later on the site, maybe there will be an English language version. Otherwise ask an auto-translator.
 
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It's fun to see how those "little details" are successfully non-reported even at the Empire's periphery, isn't it? And the fooled never seem to learn and parrot on and on, completely unthinking. And the shills come back every time with a big mouth as if everybody already forgot the crap they talked yesterday.

Pot this is the Kettle...

The closest thing to an imperial power in that region of the world would be Russia ATM, and as for successful non-reporting that would be the violation of the LOAC by Russian troops in Crimea (claiming to be a spontaneously formed militia of another state by removing badges from one's uniform). While the presence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine is at the moment unconfirmed by anything other than speculation, there seems to be a large number of folks that fit the bill (current Russian pattern military uniform, display of military training a lot more current than one could reasonably expect from discharged ex-conscripts, etc.).
 
Pot this is the Kettle...

The closest thing to an imperial power in that region of the world would be Russia ATM, and as for successful non-reporting that would be the violation of the LOAC by Russian troops in Crimea (claiming to be a spontaneously formed militia of another state by removing badges from one's uniform). While the presence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine is at the moment unconfirmed by anything other than speculation, there seems to be a large number of folks that fit the bill (current Russian pattern military uniform, display of military training a lot more current than one could reasonably expect from discharged ex-conscripts, etc.).

It takes a special kind of gumption to call other people "fooled" and "shills" when all one does is repeat Kremlin propaganda. :D
 
It's fun to see how those "little details" are successfully non-reported even at the Empire's periphery, isn't it?

You mean like this?

On Sunday, the self-appointed, pro-Russia rebel mayor of Slovyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov , trotted out seven Western military inspectors from Germany, Poland, Denmark, Sweden and the Czech Republic and their translator, all seized late Friday at a makeshift checkpoint in nearby Kramatorsk. One of the inspectors was later released.

The inspectors are members of their home countries' militaries and part of an inspection team that arrived in Ukraine under an Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe pact called the Vienna Document, which sets out guidelines for exchanging military information and hosting inspections. They aren't part of the OSCE special monitoring mission, which is made up of civilians and also operates in southeast Ukraine.
 
Well, it is rather difficult to Google articles about something before it happens.


I suggest next time you try to check the validity of what your wannabe comrades let loose here instead of later trying to claim that corrections were evident anyway. It's not credible, especially given you proven lack of knowledge about the general topic.
 
I have a question for angrysoba.

You linked to and quoted parts of the full text of the Geneva deal in #2095. In #2083 I suspected that the putschist regime's foreign minister Deschytsia didn't read the fine print when he declared the occupation of buildings in Kiew, including the Maidan itself, to be "legal" and therefore not included in the very straight declarations of the agreement.

Do you think someone in the position of a top diplomat of a major nation state has any excuse to misrepresent the very text he personally signed?

As far as I know I quoted the full text, not "parts of the full text" of the Geneva deal.

The answer to your leading question is no, but it is so laden with assumptions and your characteristic spin that I do not know if you are representing what happened accurately.

Sorry, indeed you quoted the full text. We'll potentially need this agreement should taking the wig seriously become of any importance, bizarre as it seems.


The teleprompter in chief today keeps pretending that Russia is in breach of the Geneva agreement to justify his new little round of "sanctions", while ignoring that the text includes the occupied buildings and places in the whole country, including Maidan, so he himself is as guilty as Russia in "not moving a finger" to force the putschists to disarm the fascist militias and reinstall "the rule of law" in those occupied places. Of course he knows as well as every other informed observer that they are incapable of doing it, just like Russia is incapable of giving any orders to the occupiers in the East. But he continues to escalate on the international level.
 
Stop insulting everyone's intelligence. It's boring and distasteful. Chutzpah will bring you nowhere these days.

Again, the pot wishes to talk with you about your skin colour kettle.

The vast majority of those bases on that graphic are either ones in actual countries belonging to NATO, or have long standing (as in before 1950) treaties allowing the US to base troops there (thinking about the dots over South Korea, Japan, the Phillipines).

And again remind us, was it Russia or NATO that sent its troops off base in unmarked uniforms to pretend to be a local militia?
 
And again remind us, was it Russia or NATO that sent its troops off base in unmarked uniforms to pretend to be a local militia?


You don't even talk for yourself. And you don't set the terms of discussion. So spare us the attempts and go back in the thread if you're honestly interested in my opinion on those topics. It runs since before the US-supported putsch and it hasn't forgotten.
 
You don't even talk for yourself. And you don't set the terms of discussion. So spare us the attempts and go back in the thread if you're honestly interested in my opinion on those topics. It runs since before the US-supported putsch and it hasn't forgotten.

You mean that asking a question about which country has violated the LOAC in the very recent past, and pointing out the similarities to current events is not talking for myself?

You've been ignoring this point - I'm suspecting because you have a dislike of western democracy and a liking for the Russian or Soviet style of "rule by strongman" - but your willingness to ignore the point does not speak well of your intellectual honesty.

Having looked at this whole event overall what I've noticed is that there has been a trend to ignore inconvenient facts on the pro-Yakunovytch/and now pro-secessionist-Putin side.

a. The anger displayed by the Ukrainain people over their former President flip-flopping on an economic deal that they wanted because Vlad said, "I don't like that - scrap the talks and have some cash." appear genuine to me;
b. I'm not seeing the manipulation of the EU/NATO/West in keeping the protests going - cash pales quickly when you are getting soaked by water cannon in a Ukrainian winter, and if the only thing keeping you in the game is money, motivation is hard to keep going when you're getting beaten and shot/ and or having to live in a ring of tire fires;
c. Yes, there are far right elements that were involved in the overthrow - and they are not playing a major part in the new government, and in fact are the subject of police pressure;
d. Said "facist" governement immediately calls for a Presidential election to vote in a new President (odd because a true facist government would postpone the election until events stabilized);
e. Prior to the change in government, there was no apparent or large scale seccessionist movements in either Crimea or in the east - the pro-Putin President is voted out and wham - a fully formed independence movement emerges in both areas and in one area calls an referendum in less than two weeks and oddly the pro-Russia side has their election materials ready to go;
f. Said referendum occurs in an environment where the forces of a foreign power leave the military bases they are allowed to occupy by treaty to occupy strategic points, and where "spontaneously formed ethnic militias" suddenly start occupying areas wearing the most recent pattern Russian military uniforms without any badges or insignia;
g. The referendum's results are comically lopsided;
h. The breakaway territory votes to join the occupying power who graciously accepts this strategically important territory (almost in less time than it takes to write about it);
i. Almost immediately after the first territory breaks away, another region starts with a nearly identical pattern of activity;
j. Despite Russia having engaged in similar conduct themselves, Russia threaten Ukraine with military sanctions if they use their military to restore order within their own borders.
 
You mean that asking a question about which country has violated the LOAC in the very recent past, and pointing out the similarities to current events is not talking for myself?

You've been ignoring this point - I'm suspecting because you have a dislike of western democracy and a liking for the Russian or Soviet style of "rule by strongman" - but your willingness to ignore the point does not speak well of your intellectual honesty.

Having looked at this whole event overall what I've noticed is that there has been a trend to ignore inconvenient facts on the pro-Yakunovytch/and now pro-secessionist-Putin side.

a. The anger displayed by the Ukrainain people over their former President flip-flopping on an economic deal that they wanted because Vlad said, "I don't like that - scrap the talks and have some cash." appear genuine to me;
b. I'm not seeing the manipulation of the EU/NATO/West in keeping the protests going - cash pales quickly when you are getting soaked by water cannon in a Ukrainian winter, and if the only thing keeping you in the game is money, motivation is hard to keep going when you're getting beaten and shot/ and or having to live in a ring of tire fires;
c. Yes, there are far right elements that were involved in the overthrow - and they are not playing a major part in the new government, and in fact are the subject of police pressure;
d. Said "facist" governement immediately calls for a Presidential election to vote in a new President (odd because a true facist government would postpone the election until events stabilized);
e. Prior to the change in government, there was no apparent or large scale seccessionist movements in either Crimea or in the east - the pro-Putin President is voted out and wham - a fully formed independence movement emerges in both areas and in one area calls an referendum in less than two weeks and oddly the pro-Russia side has their election materials ready to go;
f. Said referendum occurs in an environment where the forces of a foreign power leave the military bases they are allowed to occupy by treaty to occupy strategic points, and where "spontaneously formed ethnic militias" suddenly start occupying areas wearing the most recent pattern Russian military uniforms without any badges or insignia;g. The referendum's results are comically lopsided;
h. The breakaway territory votes to join the occupying power who graciously accepts this strategically important territory (almost in less time than it takes to write about it);
i. Almost immediately after the first territory breaks away, another region starts with a nearly identical pattern of activity;
j. Despite Russia having engaged in similar conduct themselves, Russia threaten Ukraine with military sanctions if they use their military to restore order within their own borders.

Add in that Putin now admits that they were Russian troops, but had denied that less than two months earlier.
 
You mean that asking a question about which country has violated the LOAC in the very recent past, and pointing out the similarities to current events is not talking for myself?

You've been ignoring this point - I'm suspecting because you have a dislike of western democracy and a liking for the Russian or Soviet style of "rule by strongman" - but your willingness to ignore the point does not speak well of your intellectual honesty


Apparently you aren't familiar with my approach. I'm not interested in discussing the bigger picture with you, given the state of knowledge that shines through your posts. Everyone is already familiar with your point of view because they can read it - written more professionally - all the time in their "paper of record" of choice. I'm interested in providing additional information to events as they happen, with focus on exposing lies of the "western" media. Building a track record over time. And that's exactly what I'm doing. If people like you think that makes me a "Yanukovych supporter" is completely without relevance to me. Or a "pro-sessionist-Putin side" supporter. This is so far from reality - including the idea that Putin has that masterplan to "annex" the south-east region - that it's beyond discussion and a total waste of time to reply to. If you want to discuss the events as they happen, that's fine. Any theories about who tried to killed the mayor of Charkow?
 
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