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High School Stabbings

RenaissanceBiker said:
I can open and close my daily carry knife one-handed. I think I have four pocket knives with this feature.
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And if you live in Canada ( possibly the states as well but i don't have experience nor knowledge of the laws there). And a police officer can do the same with said knifes, they can be confiscated on sight. The process for having them returned us long and likely fruitless.
 
Autolite said:
Okay, you had me up until you mentioned 'bendy straws'. Those things are creepy and just plain evil. I nearly poked my eye out once while trying to jam one into a juice box.

Anyway, no honest person needs anything more than a sippy-cup...
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Sounds like you pushed it in the wrong direction - though I feel your pain re: trying to force those things in. I tend to just use my knife and cut the hole out..:):)
 
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Autolite said:
I do know that that there are those who do want to see 'knife-control' if we can use that phrase. I remember reading something about Al Sharpton championing the idea, but I really wasn't aware that it had grown very much momentum.

I mentioned earlier in this thread about the city of Edmonton (AKA 'Stabmonton')* implementing a knife ban, but if I understand correctly that didn't get off the ground.

In one of the previous articles linked to in this thread, I've also read that there was a Canadian knife dealer who supports gun control and would also support 'knife-control' if it "makes sense". That caught me off guard a little. Does the vendor not realize that what "makes sense" to some would be no knives allowed at all?

Your comment about 'one hand opening' knives interest me also. The Home Hardware store down my road does indeed sell small pocket knives that can be opened with one hand. I thought that that rule applied to knives with blades over a certain length. Can you give us specifics? Are we talking about American or Canadian laws???

*http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stabmonton
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unfortunately I'm on my phone so i can't really link but the info is pretty easy to find.

but any blade that can ( versus is designed to) open faster than the speed of gravity one handed ( thus is an either or thing) can be confiscated. Now this doesn't mean the knife is illegal but the catch is the long process involved ends up with said knife being destroyed before one can have it returned.

Speed safe assisted knives are the biggest target ATM with vendors having entire stocks confiscated ( locally one gent was out over 2 grand after his business and house were searched), and basically being told " yes you were not doing anything wrong, but too late for you".

Even training versions of weapons have came under fire lately and most places won't even stock legal items ( a practice balisong for example) for fear of the severe business consequences.
 
Autolite said:
These little pocket knives that you're describing, is there a recessed thumb sized notch on the one side of the handle with a small brass coloured metal dowel that permits you to open the blade using just the right thumb while being held only with your right hand?

If so, I'll keep my eyes open and let you know if I should see one...
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Two of them are Gerber Paraframes. I can't link at the moment but you should be able to find an image easy enough. Yes, they have that little dowel.
 
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sadhatter said:
And if you live in Canada ( possibly the states as well but i don't have experience nor knowledge of the laws there). And a police officer can do the same with said knifes, they can be confiscated on sight. The process for having them returned us long and likely fruitless.
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In Canada:

"One-handed opening knives have been designated as legal to import by Canada Border Services as long as they don't fall into one of the prohibited categories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_laws#Canada

“prohibited weapon” « arme prohibée »
“prohibited weapon” means

(a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the HANDLE of the knife

http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/“prohibited-weapon”-«-arme-prohibée-»

If I understand this correctly, the 'one-handed-opening' knives that we were
discussing earlier (the ones with a metal dowel on the BLADE) should be legal here in Canada.

I guess the biggest liability then would be encountering a police officer who doesn't know the law. And of course, that is quite unlikely...:rolleyes:
 
I see that there is a "Stabbing/Gun Control" discussion that has started up under "USA Politics".

I can't think of anything to add there that I haven't already posted here so I will try and keep my face out of it.

However, I get the impression from reading some of the those posts that nobody seems aware that here in Canada we've recently had a mass stabbing with five fatalities. Five people were stuck and all five of them died. That's a 100% fatality rate with 'only' a knife.

The city's police chief is calling it "Calgary's worst mass murder". I am wanting to ask, did this incident get any notice in the American media at all???
 
RenaissanceBiker said:
Two of them are Gerber Paraframes. I can't link at the moment but you should be able to find an image easy enough. Yes, they have that little dowel.
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I was just being a little bit of a smart-arse.

I've been carrying those little one handed opening dowel-bladed type knives for years. They are indeed legal and readily available here in Canada.

At least anyways until the Lefties figure that they need something new they can exploit to grab some more votes...
 
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Autolite said:
In Canada:

"One-handed opening knives have been designated as legal to import by Canada Border Services as long as they don't fall into one of the prohibited categories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_laws#Canada

“prohibited weapon” « arme prohibée »
“prohibited weapon” means

(a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the HANDLE of the knife

http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/“prohibited-weapon”-«-arme-prohibée-»

If I understand this correctly, the 'one-handed-opening' knives that we were
discussing earlier (the ones with a metal dowel on the BLADE) should be legal here in Canada.

I guess the biggest liability then would be encountering a police officer who doesn't know the law. And of course, that is quite unlikely...:rolleyes:
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The problem comes in when one realizes most folding knives can be opened with a flick of the wrist that takes a little skill. Even those that can't originally will get worked in with use, and become a "modified weapon" even though no modification had occurred.

the knife is not illegal but can be confiscated, and destroyed after a rather short amount of time.

The law itself is too broad, and unclear to boot.
 
Autolite said:
And so it begins...

"After a couple of nasty stabbings in Canada, knife control is on the radar north of the border"

http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/16/knife-control-canadian-crimes-trigger-fr

"According to Statistics Canada, in 2008, one-third of homicides or attempted murders involved knives. That's more than any type of weapon, including guns."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/is-there-a-way-to-control-knife-violence-1.2611939
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And the problem is the knives that will be banned are not the type of knives that are used in crime. No one is buying a 200 dollar balisong, or spring assisted knife to commit crimes. Yet these are the types of weapons that come under fire.

And they do so because of the same reasons certain types of guns do, not because they are commonly used in crimes nor because they present a specific danger ( i mean come on we don't live in an rpg. A 200 dollar knife doesn't mean it is imbued with magical energy), but because they scare people and as such political points can be scored by loudly banning them.

There is just no logic in it, especially in the case of the balisong. If one wanted one to go out stabbing, they are very easy to make, but for someone who wants to collect, i don't want a prison shank, i want a high quality, good looking knife that won't break mid flip and send a handle into my face.
 
sadhatter said:
The problem comes in when one realizes most folding knives can be opened with a flick of the wrist that takes a little skill. Even those that can't originally will get worked in with use, and become a "modified weapon" even though no modification had occurred.

the knife is not illegal but can be confiscated, and destroyed after a rather short amount of time.

The law itself is too broad, and unclear to boot.
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The laws (emphasis on the plural) are too broad and unclear in pretty much every jurisdiction. And the laws are different depending on the state, sometimes county and sometimes city laws too. My knife that's legal in Idaho, for example, wouldn't be legal in Washington. Or the knife is okay as long as you aren't in Seattle. Absolutely stupefyingly ridiculous.
 
sadhatter said:
There is just no logic in it.
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Actually it very logical when you understand the true purpose, that being political.

Many of us already know that whether it's guns, knives or sporks, bans and prohibitions are not going to deter those with criminal intent.

However, unethical politicians know that they can secure votes and support by trying to ban all the 'scary-looking' guns and knives. It does absolutely nothing to increase public security but that doesn't matter. The target voters are the willfully ignorant and those folks not not quite clever enough to detect the ruse.

Politically, it is a smart move...
 
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Autolite said:
Actually it very logical when you understand the true purpose, that being political.

Many of us already know that whether it's guns, knives or sporks, bans and prohibitions are not going to deter those with criminal intent.

However, unethical politicians know that they can secure votes and support by trying to ban all the 'scary-looking' guns and knives. It does absolutely nothing to increase public security but that doesn't matter. The target voters are the willfully ignorant and those folks not not quite clever enough to detect the ruse.

Politically, it is a smart move...
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Well yes, in that sense it is rock solid logic, lol. And it shows, any times the cops arrest someone for a drug operation around here much attention is focused on finding illegal knives. Once I'm at my computer I'll try and link to the local article in which a math dealer wad found with a balisong and the cop goes on a giant rant about how scary a butterfly knife is.

Man had a gun, baton, pepper spray and a much better knife at his disposal, and a balisong scares him? Reeks of political motivation.
 
Ziggurat said:
Dude, those math dealers are out of control. People hooked on irrational numbers just go crazy, and once you're addicted to continuing fractions, you can never stop. :eek:
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Divided by zero, now I'm gay.
 
sadhatter said:
cop goes on a giant rant about how scary a butterfly knife is.
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Your story reminds me of a news article reference a firearm seizure in Saskatchewan several months ago.

The story described the confiscation of several hunting rifles. The term "assault-rifle" couldn't be used because they obviously weren't, nor did they even cosmetically resemble an assault rifle . However, one of the arresting officers did a rant about the dangers of the public owning such "high powered, large calibre deadly weapons". "Nobody needs or should have them" she said!

Of course the guns were large calibre and quite powerful. They were meant for use by hunters. Hunting regulations and laws in most jurisdictions REQUIRE THE USE OF POWERFUL FIREARMS for hunting large game. In many cases it would be ILLEGAL to use a small calibre low powered rifle to shoot a deer or a moose.

Unfortunately, there are just still too many people who cannot see the subterfuge...
 
Autolite said:
I see that there is a "Stabbing/Gun Control" discussion that has started up under "USA Politics".

I can't think of anything to add there that I haven't already posted here so I will try and keep my face out of it.

However, I get the impression from reading some of the those posts that nobody seems aware that here in Canada we've recently had a mass stabbing with five fatalities. Five people were stuck and all five of them died. That's a 100% fatality rate with 'only' a knife.

The city's police chief is calling it "Calgary's worst mass murder". I am wanting to ask, did this incident get any notice in the American media at all???
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It got very little, if any notice in US media. I usually key in to these ocurrences and your mention is the first I've heard of it.
 
Gallstones said:
It got very little, if any notice in US media. I usually key in to these ocurrences and your mention is the first I've heard of it.
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Most of our murders are accomplished via knives or bludgeoning, the latter including fists and feet. This has intrigued me because my state has a greater than 50% private gun ownership.

Last year (?) a man stabbed his GF to death, dropped her body off a bridge into the creek, then drove ~80 miles north to a rest stop where he shot himself. He had a gun, he just didn't use it for the homicide.

BTW, we share a border with Alberta.
 
My pocket knife is very long and pointy. It looks a lot like this
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The blade is 1/8th of an inch too short to require a concealed carry permit.
It is just a pocket knife mostly used to open envelopes, cut string, and slice apples.

I've had it for years and bought it from a local knife shop.
 
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