High School Stabbings

[Autolite]

We will have to make knives illegal immediately. There are far too many knives available on the streets.

Apparently Canadian criminologists would disagree with you!

Evidently knives are Canada's most popular murder weapon yet we are being told that a ban would be ineffective. Very interesting indeed.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ime-in-canada-can-cause-moral-panic-1.2611698

"Statistics Canada reporting in 2008 that one-third of homicides or attempted murders involved knives — more than any other type of weapon, including firearms".

"I call it moral panic,” said Janne Holmgren, director for the Centre for Criminology and Justice Research at Mount Royal University. “Sometimes fear drives a lot of legislation, unfortunately.”

“Instead of focusing so much on the weapons issue being used, maybe a better way to look at it is to think about addiction issues, alcoholism, drug abuse. That’s what drives crimes,” Holmgren said. “It’s not your drawer of knives.”

It's seems like the crime experts in Canada might be dealing with a sudden wave of rationality. Something will have to be done about this and fast! There's the danger it could spread...

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

Both. Which of these illegal acts (ETA: has the greater potential to) leave the most innocent people alive?

I answered this already.

No, we don't. We probably see the difference even better than you. Bombs are more lethal than guns. Guns are more lethal than knives. Knives are more lethal than spoons. Spoons are more lethal than bendy plastic drinking straws. We just see the irrationality of banning tools that have perfectly legal and moral uses.

 

[The Norseman]

Apparently Canadian criminologists would disagree with you!

Evidently knives are Canada's most popular murder weapon yet we are being told that a ban would be ineffective. Very interesting indeed.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ime-in-canada-can-cause-moral-panic-1.2611698

"Statistics Canada reporting in 2008 that one-third of homicides or attempted murders involved knives — more than any other type of weapon, including firearms".

"I call it moral panic,” said Janne Holmgren, director for the Centre for Criminology and Justice Research at Mount Royal University. “Sometimes fear drives a lot of legislation, unfortunately.”

“Instead of focusing so much on the weapons issue being used, maybe a better way to look at it is to think about addiction issues, alcoholism, drug abuse. That’s what drives crimes,” Holmgren said. “It’s not your drawer of knives.”

It's seems like the crime experts in Canada might be dealing with a sudden wave of rationality. Something will have to be done about this and fast! There's the danger it could spread...

Oh no, not to America. No danger in that. We have a veritable phalanx of idiocy protecting a solid core of stupidity that is nigh unassailable.

 

[Autolite]

Could he have been watching too many shows with knife attacks and killing featured in their storylines?
http://www.fox.com/the-following/
http://www.cwtv.com/shows/the-100
These shows have knives used recently in the stories. Just an observation of mine.

I'd blame it on those 'Kill Bill' movies. That's why we need a zero tolerance ban on Samurai sword possession. There has got to be a stop to all those drive-by beheadings someone was telling me about...

 

[tyr_13]

I'd blame it on those 'Kill Bill' movies. That's why we need a zero tolerance ban on Samurai sword possession. There has got to be a stop to all those drive-by beheadings someone was telling me about...

People on these boards have indeed argued for regulation, including training as a requirement to own, any weapons and specifically swords.

Again, this isn't an avenue that will convince those looking for heavy regulation and backdoor bans that they're going too far.

 

[Autolite]

Bombs are more lethal than guns. Guns are more lethal than knives. Knives are more lethal than spoons. Spoons are more lethal than bendy plastic drinking straws. We just see the irrationality of banning tools that have perfectly legal and moral uses.

Okay, you had me up until you mentioned 'bendy straws'. Those things are creepy and just plain evil. I nearly poked my eye out once while trying to jam one into a juice box.

Anyway, no honest person needs anything more than a sippy-cup...

 

[Ziggurat]

Okay, you had me up until you mentioned 'bendy straws'. Those things are creepy and just plain evil. I nearly poked my eye out once while trying to jam one into a juice box.

Seriously? I was trying to poke a guy's eyes out with a bendy straw, and I couldn't do it! I mean, I managed to scratch his eye a bit, and he got super pissed off at me, but the eye just wouldn't get poked out! Once he closed his eyelid, my bendy straw weapon became totally ineffective. I had to use a spork to finish the job.

 

[The Norseman]

Seriously? I was trying to poke a guy's eyes out with a bendy straw, and I couldn't do it! I mean, I managed to scratch his eye a bit, and he got super pissed off at me, but the eye just wouldn't get poked out! Once he closed his eyelid, my bendy straw weapon became totally ineffective. I had to use a spork to finish the job.

A spork?! You butcher!

 

[Hellbound]

http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8ace/

Assault sporks.

 

[Autolite]

Oh no, not to America. No danger in that. We have a veritable phalanx of idiocy protecting a solid core of stupidity that is nigh unassailable.

I guess it really shouldn't be a big surprise that the Director for the Centre of Criminology and Justice Research at Mount Royal University's comments are in accordance with what legitimate firearm owners have been saying for decades.

You don't suppose that perhaps maybe criminologists and gun owners have been trying to encourage effective violent crime prevention methods all along whereas the gun-grabbing politicians have just been working at scoring votes by duping the ill informed and willfully ignorant?

That thought had just never occurred to me before...

 

[tyr_13]

I guess it really shouldn't be a big surprise that the Director for the Centre of Criminology and Justice Research at Mount Royal University's comments are in accordance with what legitimate firearm owners have been saying for decades.

You don't suppose that perhaps maybe criminologists and gun owners have been trying to encourage effective violent crime prevention methods all along whereas the gun-grabbing politicians have just been working at scoring votes by duping the ill informed and willfully ignorant?

That thought had just never occurred to me before...

I think that different people on either end (and the middle!) of this issue have disparate motivations from each other as much as people on the same side have different motivations.

 

[Pup]

I guess it really shouldn't be a big surprise that the Director for the Centre of Criminology and Justice Research at Mount Royal University's comments are in accordance with what legitimate firearm owners have been saying for decades.

You don't suppose that perhaps maybe criminologists and gun owners have been trying to encourage effective violent crime prevention methods all along whereas the gun-grabbing politicians have just been working at scoring votes by duping the ill informed and willfully ignorant?

That thought had just never occurred to me before...

After a knifing spree: Well, I own a drawer full of kitchen knives and I've never stabbed anyone, so clearly mere ownership of knives isn't the problem, so we need to look at other solutions.

After a shooting spree: Well, I've never owned a gun and I've never shot anywone, so clearly ownership of guns is the problem, so the solution is to ban guns.

 

[Autolite]

A whacko going nuts on a crowd of people with a knife and a whacko going nuts on a crowd of people with a gun will produce different fatality rates.

And here we find an interesting comment from an ex-police sergeant reference the issue of knives as weapons...

Knives and other sharp-edged weapons are "probably one of the highest levels of threats we can face," said Steve Summerville, president of Stay Safe Instructional Programs and a retired staff sergeant with Toronto Police.

"They are silent, they require no skill, no training, they're easily concealed," he said. "If you have the ability to move your hand, you can cause life-threatening, if not fatal, injuries."

http://www.therecord.com/news-story...eadlier-at-close-range-than-guns-experts-say/

 

[Autolite]

After a knifing spree: Well, I own a drawer full of kitchen knives and I've never stabbed anyone, so clearly mere ownership of knives isn't the problem, so we need to look at other solutions.

After a shooting spree: Well, I've never owned a gun and I've never shot anywone, so clearly ownership of guns is the problem, so the solution is to ban guns.

Bingo.

The recent stabbing incident in Calgary may not have received very much notice in the American news but it's currently a huge story up here in the Great White North.

Often the media hacks would just type the words "Gunman" or "Assault Rifle" and fill in the blanks with a few details. They are having a hard time pinning this one on the deer hunters and the recreational target shooters so they've been running around in circles for the past few days trying to explain how and why this thing happened...

http://ca.news.search.yahoo.com/sea... Mass Killing&fr=fp-tts-715&fr2=ps&woeid=9806

 

[Autolite]

A report from Edmonton reference murders claims that:

"Of weapons used in homicides, 57% were edged weapons"

And now the Edmonton Chief of Police is saying that the problem is not the weapon, it's the criminal!

"You can't outlaw knives," Knecht said. "You gotta focus on the criminal behaviour and the criminal."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/04/18/report-sheds-light-on-edmontons-homicide-trends

Wow!
These revelations are of course no surprise to many of us but this open honesty and irrefutable rationality from the authorities is long over due. We are finally seeing crime experts and police sources admitting that the focus should have been on controlling criminal behaviour all along.

The Lefties need to wake up, roll out a huge knife control campaign and do it soon! By remaining silent on the issue of knives as murder weapons, they are risking exposure of their gun control agenda as the political sham that it is.

The gun-grabbers have done well so far generating votes by duping the masses but now that the cat is 'out-of-bag' they're going to have trouble stuffing that critter back in unless they act fast!

 

[Autolite]

I think that different people on either end (and the middle!) of this issue have disparate motivations from each other as much as people on the same side have different motivations.

In any case I am hoping that these most recent incidents, as tragic and heartbreaking as they are, might prompt some positive action toward developing and implementing effective violent crime prevention measures.

I am certainly no expert and I do not have all the answers but what I do know is that more and more inane, useless and absurd laws prohibiting and restricting the use of firearms, knives, baseball bats, pointy sticks or whatever is not needed nor would they serve any purpose but to further vilify otherwise law abiding, responsible citizens.

I don't expect the gun-grabbers to change their tune but I'd like to think that the fence sitters might open their eyes and force the politicians to drop the facade.

The problem has always been criminal behavior, not the instruments that the criminals use. It's just most unsettling and disconcerting that it takes vicious and horrific incidents as we have seen recently to underscore what should have been self evident all along...

 

[sadhatter]

A report from Edmonton reference murders claims that:

"Of weapons used in homicides, 57% were edged weapons"

And now the Edmonton Chief of Police is saying that the problem is not the weapon, it's the criminal!

"You can't outlaw knives," Knecht said. "You gotta focus on the criminal behaviour and the criminal."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/04/18/report-sheds-light-on-edmontons-homicide-trends

Wow!
These revelations are of course no surprise to many of us but this open honesty and irrefutable rationality from the authorities is long over due. We are finally seeing crime experts and police sources admitting that the focus should have been on controlling criminal behaviour all along.

The Lefties need to wake up, roll out a huge knife control campaign and do it soon! By remaining silent on the issue of knives as murder weapons, they are risking exposure of their gun control agenda as the political sham that it is.

The gun-grabbers have done well so far generating votes by duping the masses but now that the cat is 'out-of-bag' they're going to have trouble stuffing that critter back in unless they act fast!

I agree with your points but i have a slight nitpick.

There is a rather large push to make knives illegal. It doesn't get the press gun control does, but trust me as a knife collector, it's there.

And the problem is the wording of the law, and the implementation are so vague, just about anything can be seen as an illegal knife. And by the time the vendor or individual has went through the appropriate processes, the knives in question are often destroyed with no recompense to the person.

Personally in a worlds where guns exist i see no reason to ban any knife. But even a collector who knows and follows the laws ( or any random person) can have perfectly legal knives confiscated. To put it in perspective one could buy a folding knife at a wal mart, and if they were to get pulled over, if it is physically possible to open it one handed, it will be confiscatedand destroyed.

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

I can open and close my daily carry knife one-handed. I think I have four pocket knives with this feature.

 

[Autolite]

I agree with your points but i have a slight nitpick.

There is a rather large push to make knives illegal. It doesn't get the press gun control does, but trust me as a knife collector, it's there.

And the problem is the wording of the law, and the implementation are so vague, just about anything can be seen as an illegal knife. And by the time the vendor or individual has went through the appropriate processes, the knives in question are often destroyed with no recompense to the person.

Personally in a worlds where guns exist i see no reason to ban any knife. But even a collector who knows and follows the laws ( or any random person) can have perfectly legal knives confiscated. To put it in perspective one could buy a folding knife at a wal mart, and if they were to get pulled over, if it is physically possible to open it one handed, it will be confiscatedand destroyed.

I do know that that there are those who do want to see 'knife-control' if we can use that phrase. I remember reading something about Al Sharpton championing the idea, but I really wasn't aware that it had grown very much momentum.

I mentioned earlier in this thread about the city of Edmonton (AKA 'Stabmonton')* implementing a knife ban, but if I understand correctly that didn't get off the ground.

In one of the previous articles linked to in this thread, I've also read that there was a Canadian knife dealer who supports gun control and would also support 'knife-control' if it "makes sense". That caught me off guard a little. Does the vendor not realize that what "makes sense" to some would be no knives allowed at all?

Your comment about 'one hand opening' knives interest me also. The Home Hardware store down my road does indeed sell small pocket knives that can be opened with one hand. I thought that that rule applied to knives with blades over a certain length. Can you give us specifics? Are we talking about American or Canadian laws???

*http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stabmonton

 

[Autolite]

I can open and close my daily carry knife one-handed. I think I have four pocket knives with this feature.

These little pocket knives that you're describing, is there a recessed thumb sized notch on the one side of the handle with a small brass coloured metal dowel that permits you to open the blade using just the right thumb while being held only with your right hand?

If so, I'll keep my eyes open and let you know if I should see one...