Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[andreajo]

Excuse me for snipping these two points of your post, but I really agree. In the very beginning I saw in the news pictures the prosecution and police surrounding the victim family as a powerful chess-play for the prosecution.
To have the victims family sitting on the side of the prosecution would sway most neutral jurors, right?

If a juror doesnt really have a intelligent vote, or just an undecided vote, one could easily be swayed to the position of the victims family. I know I could. Its a powerful "play" to win the victims vote, and Maresca accomplished this in a big way. To read the victims family wants them guilty is a powerful thing, in my opinion.

Why Maresca was drooling like a wolf to convict, instead of sitting stoic and impartial and allowing the courts to see the evidence, only he knows. the unfortunate power of politics would be my guess.
I strongly agree with you, if the two remain guilty, Maresca had huge hand in this mess of convicting innocent people to prison.

Money. Mr. Maresca is acting for his clients, who may win large amounts of money upon conviction. It's a bad system where financial interests are introduced into a criminal trial.

 

[Grinder]

That's because to keep the torture fantasies of some and the 11:45 ToD some proposed that digestion could be stopped over the course of hours. They took it too far in other words, that's just not going to happen.



Not that long though.



The evidence of her duodenum and clinical studies suggest that the most likely time she was stabbed was when she returned home, with the percentage chance it happened after that declining rather rapidly with each passing minute until there's no data whatsoever for that occurring with someone who could be considered healthy.



Be careful with Kiwis and the digestion argument. It was behind a paywall, but the best clinical studies done on this subject which were posted here (and even included light alcohol consumption BTW) were by a New Zealander with an ironic name, something like 'McQuack,' who was doing research for diabetes medicine as I recall. If the one you mock has access to that med database you're going to be in for a very rough time of it indeed!

Off the top of my head I don't think anyone in any study has ever gone more than four hours, the ones that went more than three hours being extremely rare to begin with, and as Tagliabracci (I think ETA: Introna or something rings more bells after reflection) noted before Massei it's not exactly a normal distribution Guassian curve, like a bell curve (but they don't have to all be shaped exactly like bells and this one cannot be) but the principles are the same and you've not just skied down the slope you've flattened out completely by 3.5 hours.

The problem here for the innocentisti is that it cannot be proved impossible that one could go more than four hours, just that no one has ever done that. Some of Kevin Lowe's best posts in these threads were in demonstrating that just because Meredith had to be in the top ~4% of the length doesn't mean anything is therefore equally likely: she was still human. Her place on that curve with a 9:10 PM ToD was in the top ~4%, (might have been 3%--dun recall for sure) which is roughly the same as human males in excess of 6'2" (which operates on similar principles). Rare, but hardly that difficult to find. Putting her ToD at 10:30 (like Guede's trial) had her at the extent of recorded data, roughly akin to the odds of an eight foot male. 11:45 meant she was the equivalent of a male being ten feet tall or so.


You cannot prove that a ten foot male could not exist, just as you cannot prove Meredith did not go five hours without passing anything to her duodenum, only that no known human has ever done it as far as we know.


You can, however be skeptical of that claim, and you can show it was more likely to be at 9:15 than 9:30, a helluva lot more likely to be 9:30 than 10:00 PM, and that no one has ever gone more than 4 hours as far as we know, and that includes studies which allow for a small consumption of alcohol.

You win. She had a digestion that by all accounts was delayed way beyond normal without stress and then was stressed when she arrived home but her system then would have worked within minutes. It makes no sense.

The study of one person had digestion starting in less than half an hour so obviously that test didn't apply at all in this case.

Sampson now wants to move the TO Dinner to 7:30 because it just doesn't work well to have it at 6 or 6:30.

Maybe she didn't eat until 8:30. Why not pick whatever time works for the digestion theory of choice?

The digestion may be a great argument for TOD not being after 11 or 11:30 but it just can't be used to say it must have been 9:05.

 

[Bill Williams]

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[Bill Williams]

We all should get it through our heads that Cassazione is not sifting through evidence, Cassazione in this case is harmonizing the various Motivations Reports from Rudy's fast track process....

.... with the ones generated by the full-trial process for Knox/Sollecito.

Key to this is the issue of multiple attackers. Multiple attackers was enshrined in these reports first through Rudy's fast-track process.

So.... even though only one expert in the Massei trial against Knox/Sollecito thoughtmultipleattackers was probable...

At the Massei trial, only one expert witness, Professor Norelli, consultant to the civil party (the Kercher family) argued that there were multiple attackers. None of the other expert witnesses agreed with him. Of the others, Dr Lalli, Dr Liviero, Professor Bacci and Professor Cingolani believed that there was insufficient evidence to reach a conclusion on whether there was more than one attacker. Professors Torre and Introna unequivocally argued that Meredith was killed by a single assailant. So six out of seven experts either believed that there could have been only one attacker or that there was definitely only one attacker.

This from the IIP Wiki simply paraphrases from the Massei report, p. 368.

So, the fast-track trial (a criminal process without the evidentiary trial-phase) stipulates that there was multiple attackers - because this is something advantageous to both sides, those sides being Mignini on the one and Rudy Guede on the other. No trial, submission of evidence... just a motivations report at the end which says this is "fact".

The thing I disagree with is that this is called a "pro-guilt lie" by the IIP Wiki. The pro-guilt people are actually telling the truth....

The pro-guilt lie: From the time of Rudy Guede’s final sentencing, the Court has accepted that more than one person attacked Meredith Kercher, with an unusually strong report that pointed Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito as the other attackers.”

The truth being: this was established as fact at a trial where Knox and Sollecito were not represented, and which no evidence was presented for judgement.

Proguit people are not lying, they are wrong. There's a difference.

This is how Giuliano Mignini dealt the cards, right from the bottom of the deck.

This is how the process begun, without reference to evidence.

This is how it will end, too. The ISC will simply try to reconcile the written texts before them (the various motivations reports). They will not be reviewing evidence, but written texts. The key ones were Giuliano Mignini getting the courts to accept as fact things which were never tested as evidence.

Like multiple attackers.

Like the break-in, Mignini got the courts to accept the false faked-break-in as fact.

Imagine for a minute that Cassazione had upheld Hellmann in March 2013? This would have exposed all of this, through the various parliamentarians who were insisting on investigations into Mignini. ISC reversing Hellmann headed that off.

The party of the PMs have won.

 

[RWVBWL]

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[Chris_Halkides]

I saw the whole thing

"At 2:15 a.m. on August 15, 1989, Darryl Rush, a drug dealer, was shot to death outside a housing project in Brooklyn. Police a few days later arrested a young woman named Jacqueline Belardo -- an admitted crack addict -- who claimed she recognized the gunman from her window 400 feet from the shooting despite the darkness, and identified Fleming as the shooter. Based on her uncorroborated account Mr. Fleming was charged with murder and the jury convicted him." Jonathan Fleming had family members as eyewitnesses to the fact that he was in vacation in Florida at the time. Police failed to turn over a receipt showing that he was there within 5 hours of the time of the crime. Perhaps Ms. Belardo is a long-lost relative of Mr. Curatolo.

 

[anglolawyer]

"At 2:15 a.m. on August 15, 1989, Darryl Rush, a drug dealer, was shot to death outside a housing project in Brooklyn. Police a few days later arrested a young woman named Jacqueline Belardo -- an admitted crack addict -- who claimed she recognized the gunman from her window 400 feet from the shooting despite the darkness, and identified Fleming as the shooter. Based on her uncorroborated account Mr. Fleming was charged with murder and the jury convicted him." Jonathan Fleming had family members as eyewitnesses to the fact that he was in vacation in Florida at the time. Police failed to turn over a receipt showing that he was there within 5 hours of the time of the crime. Perhaps Ms. Belardo is a long-lost relative of Mr. Curatolo.

I'm amazed he got off as it's obvious his family was lying to protect him.

 

[RWVBWL]

Rudy and Mignini

Greetings,
I was just looking for something that was bugging me about this brutal murder case we discuss and found that Amanda Knox has posted the 2 of the 3, (well of that I am aware of), Italian transcripts from the official interviews, err interrogations with Rudy Guede.

Links:
http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2008-Mar-26-Guede-Interrogation.pdf

http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2008-May-15-Guede-Interrogation.pdf


But we are missing the 1st one, from back in Dec. 07, 2007 from when PM Mignini verbally 1st got his hands on "poor" Rudy. For over 7 hours Mignini chatted with Rudy, I surely would luv to read of that conversation, especially because old Perugia Shock says this about Guede's lawyer after Rudy had his talk with the PM: Biscotti specifies that "He didn't name anyone because there's no one to be named".

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080117...t.com/2007/12/theres-non-name-to-be-done.html


Come AK's Defense!
Dig up and post that 1st interrogation with Rudy!

And translate all 3 into English also, pretty please!!!

 

[RWVBWL]

What Rudy Confessed

Hi again,
This is all I could find about that 7 hour interrogation,
this from The Old Perugia Shock back in Jan of 2008:
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Among those, part of the interrogation to Rudy Guede of December 7th 2007, right after his extradition.

The first part of the reported "interrogation" is, in truth, an excerpt from Rudy's diary, which we know very well (Chicco, you don't need to cheat...). But then they released 9 questions from Gip Claudia Matteini that look like being real. And that's all we got of a 7 hours interview.

Matteini: Phone printouts showed that Meredith cellphone started an Internet connection with her bank. And this at 22.25, right? At 22.15. Which means 10.15 / 10 and a half.
Rudy: There was no phone at home.
M: You haven't seen any phone?
R: None.
M: What should we say of this message sent from Meredith Cellphone? From printouts that we have it was sent from Meredith's house. So, that phone at 10.30 was at Meredith's place and you at 10.30 were at Meredith's place having... this fight with this person. So, explain us these facts because these are objective data. We got the objective datum that at 10.25 a message is sent from Meredith's cellphone and is sent from Meredith's place. You left Meredith's place at 10.30, 10.35, right?
R: Yes.
M: So, this message is sent from Meredith's house while the phone was there?
R: Yes, that wasn't me madam, I repeat.
M: There's your hand print on her pillow and you cannot remember even the color of the pillow. But you remember many data and many other details. A call starts from Meredith's cellphone while the phone is in Meredith's house and you are in Meredith's house. Now you must give us logic explanations of all this. Do you understand what is your position?
R: I understand madam. I have not sent any message, that's the problem. From no cellphone.
M: So tell us who sent the message and who was in the house with you. And what really happened in that house in those hours.
R: Madam, I'm telling you that I have not sent any message because if I had a chance to have a mobile phone in my hand and send a message or make a call I would have called 100 ...
M: Now this is not credible.
R: I would have called 118.
M: Do you understand that this is not credible?

And then her interview ends like this:

M: Do you realize where via Sperandio is? Do you know it?
R: Via Sperandio? I don't know, no, no, no ...
M: Fine, if he doesn't know where via Sperandio is I don't have any other questions.


Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080117015445/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008/01/confession.html


I don't know about you other boyz and girlz hangin' around the campfire who like to discuss this murder,
BUT I find it odd that we still don't know what Rudy Guede stated in that 7 hour conversation,
err, 1st interrogation...

 

[Kaosium]

You win. She had a digestion that by all accounts was delayed way beyond normal without stress and then was stressed when she arrived home but her system then would have worked within minutes. It makes no sense.

Not quite, but close enough, and yes it does make sense.

The study of one person had digestion starting in less than half an hour so obviously that test didn't apply at all in this case.

That's incorrect, the one with digestion starting that quickly didn't preclude another in the study from going more than three hours, did it? Some people being 6' tall doesn't mean others cannot be 5' tall.

Sampson now wants to move the TO Dinner to 7:30 because it just doesn't work well to have it at 6 or 6:30.

Just like the height of people vary, their digestion process does too. Some people digest faster, some slower, however just because some are slower than others doesn't mean that it could take any time at all, that's actually damned silly if you think on it.

Maybe she didn't eat until 8:30. Why not pick whatever time works for the digestion theory of choice?

The balance of the testimony suggests the meal was started between 6 PM and 6:30 PM, with the length of the movie and the reported break for snacks corroborating that.

The digestion may be a great argument for TOD not being after 11 or 11:30 but it just can't be used to say it must have been 9:05.

You're correct to say it cannot be used to determine that it happened at 9:05, just that is the most probable time. Anything after 10:00 PM starts the range (depending on the exact time of the meal starting) where no one in any study has ever ever done that.

 

[Grinder]

You win. She had a digestion that by all accounts was delayed way beyond normal without stress and then was stressed when she arrived home but her system then would have worked within minutes. It makes no sense.

Not quite, but close enough, and yes it does make sense.

No it doesn't. She didn't have any emptying for 3, 2.5, 2 or however number of hours fits your theory. Then she is confronted by Rudy which is the stress/fear that delays/stops digestion yet it could still happen at 9:05 exactly when the stress/fear starts - crazy talk.

The study of one person had digestion starting in less than half an hour so obviously that test didn't apply at all in this case.

That's incorrect, the one with digestion starting that quickly didn't preclude another in the study from going more than three hours, did it? Some people being 6' tall doesn't mean others cannot be 5' tall.

Your looking at the wrong study. The Colorado had a graph of one person. The point is that Meredith didn't start for - pick the time - 2.5/3 hours. She couldn't be in the 15 minute group because it had been over 2.5 hours. She is in the group of over that time period, period. If you have a subject that hasn't started gastric emptying for 2.5 hours that subject will have only the long end of curve and therefore 3 or 3.5 hours is more likely than the general population. Now after being slow she is stressed so that lengthens the curve according to you even further.

Sampson now wants to move the TO Dinner to 7:30 because it just doesn't work well to have it at 6 or 6:30.

Just like the height of people vary, their digestion process does too. Some people digest faster, some slower, however just because some are slower than others doesn't mean that it could take any time at all, that's actually damned silly if you think on it.

Didn't say it could take any time at all but clearly if she didn't start by 9:05 and then was stressed and that delays even further then 9:30 or 9:45 doesn't seem a stretch at all.

Maybe she didn't eat until 8:30. Why not pick whatever time works for the digestion theory of choice?

The balance of the testimony suggests the meal was started between 6 PM and 6:30 PM, with the length of the movie and the reported break for snacks corroborating that.

And she hadn't started by TOD to empty.

The digestion may be a great argument for TOD not being after 11 or 11:30 but it just can't be used to say it must have been 9:05.

You're correct to say it cannot be used to determine that it happened at 9:05, just that is the most probable time. Anything after 10:00 PM starts the range (depending on the exact time of the meal starting) where no one in any study has ever ever done that.

I believe the Indian study had one but most of these studies are with a small uniform meal. We have a person that either hadn't begun for the 2.5 or 3 hours and then you claim that fear would slow or stop the digestive process.

I agree that after 10 or 10:30 becomes difficult to believe but not impossible. I have repeatably said that the phone activity is better for putting an end on it.

It can't be proven from what is known that the digestion proves a TOD of no later than 9:30 which with the Naruto computer use would prove at least one of the kids wasn't there.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

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I'm amazed he got off as it's obvious his family was lying to protect him.

anglolawyer,

I am surprised that his family members did not get charged as well. The new DA finally released the receipt, and that might have been the tipping point in getting him exonerated. There should be open discovery rules in every state (not sure whether or not New York is one that has it), and they should be enforced more strictly.

 

[RWVBWL]

Greetings,
I kinda get the feel that most who post here are middle to older in age, so you'll probably have to dig deep into the old memory to understand this point I'll try again to make...

Have you recently ever been in a good fist fight?
Or got hurt doin' something stupid and the pain screamed out loudly in your brain?
Sure ya have, as I have too.

Esh,
I had a gal hit me with her car door as I pedaled my bicycle a few years back as I rode by, just cruising' along towards her car,
(mind you, not like the dudes and chicks all wrapped up in spandex speedin' along Pacific Coast Highway here near the beaches of Los Angeles.), ya know, when BAM!, RW was thrown into the street, luckily I didn't get ran over by a car.
OW! It hurt.

Of course 1 of my hands went to the wounded area immediately, (before I went to the ER and spent hours doin' a buncha tests) yes my memory does serves me correct. As it does too when I recall my hands once again, just a coupla weeks ago were checkin' out 1 of my calf muscles which had suddenly goten painfully, I mean soooo painfully sprained as I jogged barefoot along the Pacific Ocean in the soft, not hard, sand. And I'll always check out the damage to myself with my hands if my surfboard hits me or some kook runs me over as I look for my next wave to ride or some ^^^^^^ and I get into a fistfight.

So how come Meredith Kercher was not found clutching her throat wound when found?

This tramatic wound should have forced her, in my humble opinion,
to try and staunch the neck wound herself, for her own self preservation and survival.
Both of her hands should have been covered in blood, I'd think.
Instead, they're not, from what I gather.

Ecks,
1 of her arms and hands is raised skyward, as if attempting to fight back against someone. And it has what appears to be a hair strand in her grasp. Another hair strand was apparently found by her naked genitalia. Both hair strands when tested did not, from what I understand, point to either Raffaele Sollecito nor Amanda Knox.

Some here believe that Rudy Guede, if he broke into the lawyers office, probably had an accomplice.
Someone more of a "pro"...

The tow truck driver recalls seeing a dark colored car parked in the entrance to the driveway of Meredith's flat when he arrived, this being while Rudy Guede was probably still inside. What was this car doing there?

Is it too hard to formulate a theory that it is indeed possible, what with all the screw-ups that ILE did in this horrible murder case, that other evidence, possibly pointing to another perp, a "pro", was overlooked or suppressed because it did not fit the theory that PM Mignini, (who was, IIRC, directing the investigation and evidence collecting) himself believed?

Don't you too wonder why much of the personal evidence that Miss Kercher wore that night,
was not collected until 6 weeks or even months later, like her blue sweatshirt jacket ,
which had "poor" Rudy's DNA on the sleeve cuff, was?
Look at this article with photo's of some of Miss Kercher's clothing:
http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/a...ence-not-collected-by-forensic-police#slide=1


Have a look at Miss Kercher's upraised arm and hand again from a previous post of mine:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9948756#post9948756
and then imagine why she would not have immediately, or anytime soon afterwards until she died, tried to cover and protect her knifed throat. She was suffocating on her own blood!

Read some of the autopsy reports:
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/ronhendry7.html

Even if she might have gotten slightly stabbed in her hand after her throat was knifed, as Hendry suggests, I'd bet she would have wanted to reach up and cover that hole in her throat:
http://images.teinteresa.es/sucesos/agonica-muerte-Meredith-Kercher_TINIMA20110907_1137_18.jpg

Shouldn't both of Meredith's hands and arms have been found extremely bloody and near her neck?


And as I wonder whose car it was that the tow truck driver saw that night, whom there is never any mention of someone getting into it and then driving away while he works on that families broken down car just across the way, I also wonder about that probable semen stain on the pillow underneath Meredith's naked body, who does it belong to? And I wonder that if that is indeed someone's hair in Meredith's dying upraised hand, whom does it belong to?

Surely none of these belong to Raffaele Sollecito or Amanda Knox, right?
For I'd bet the house, err, well my favorite surfboard, that these 2 hair strands would never have been lost.

I'm still perplexed by the Italian Court's rulings in this horrible murder case, for they don't make sense to me...
RW

 

[Desert Fox]

My trouble with that is that I think even a second person in the room would leave obvious evidence of his or her presence. Based on the size of the room, I think it most likely only Ruby and Meredeth were in that room when the rape and murder occurred.

 

[Kaosium]

No it doesn't. She didn't have any emptying for 3, 2.5, 2 or however number of hours fits your theory. Then she is confronted by Rudy which is the stress/fear that delays/stops digestion yet it could still happen at 9:05 exactly when the stress/fear starts - crazy talk.

I'm not saying this evidence proves that it happened at 9:05 exactly, but that it suggests that is the most probable time. It just so happens that other evidence also suggests that is the most likely time (or shortly thereafter). The moment that she's confronted by Rudy and that stress/fear kicks in and slows digestion, her digestion doesn't ever recover because he puts some unneeded holes in her neck which leads to digestion stopping permanently. Thus if the most probable times (by far) for that digestion to have slowed are when Raffaele and Amanda still have an electronic alibi that pretty much exonerates them, certainly by the standards of reasonable doubt.

Your looking at the wrong study. The Colorado had a graph of one person.

Plenty of studies have been posted in these threads, not yet has anyone found an instance of someone going over four hours, in fact I do believe the study that Chris Halkides summarized in the old post I linked that quoted him which had someone going 200 (or so) minutes is the longest anyone has ever found for T(lag) which is the relevant measure here. That's the time it takes for anything (not half or all) to go to the duodenum.

The point is that Meredith didn't start for - pick the time - 2.5/3 hours. She couldn't be in the 15 minute group because it had been over 2.5 hours.

Very good, understanding that concept is crucial to comprehending this argument. The next step is realizing that it does not rely on the median time either, but a nested conditional probability with that information taken into account.

She is in the group of over that time period, period. If you have a subject that hasn't started gastric emptying for 2.5 hours that subject will have only the long end of curve and therefore 3 or 3.5 hours is more likely than the general population.

Yes, this is true, but just because a human male is taller than 6'2" doesn't mean he's equally likely to be 6'3" as he is 7' or 10' tall. Early on in the conspiracy thread LJ did one of his charts demonstrating this in response to a post by Stilicho, perhaps perusing the first ten or so pages of that thread would be helpful.

Now after being slow she is stressed so that lengthens the curve according to you even further.

Once she is 'stressed' that means she's been confronted and if Raffaele and Amanda weren't there then they weren't involved in the murder for all reasonable theories of the crime.

Didn't say it could take any time at all but clearly if she didn't start by 9:05 and then was stressed and that delays even further then 9:30 or 9:45 doesn't seem a stretch at all.

9:30-9:45 PM are not (quite as) wildly unlikely as anything after 10 PM is, but they are significantly less likely than 9:05.

I believe the Indian study had one but most of these studies are with a small uniform meal. We have a person that either hadn't begun for the 2.5 or 3 hours and then you claim that fear would slow or stop the digestive process.

Yes, temporarily, but we're talking minutes here, not hours, and what really stopped her digestion was getting killed.

I agree that after 10 or 10:30 becomes difficult to believe but not impossible.

Not impossible, just at the point that there's no human know to have ever done it. It's the basic equivalent of Meredith being able to run a mile in 3-4 minutes, one has been done by a few people (relatively) the other has never been done, but it's not impossible Meredith could have done it.

That's the definition of 'impossible' I'm using. Alien intervention (not impossible either) may be more probable than a 11:45 ToD. At any rate it's on the level of someone running a three minute mile or being ten feet tall.

I have repeatably said that the phone activity is better for putting an end on it.

That's excellent corroborating evidence and I'm not at all interested in which is 'better.' I will agree that it's definitely simpler.

It can't be proven from what is known that the digestion proves a TOD of no later than 9:30 which with the Naruto computer use would prove at least one of the kids wasn't there.

However for those that understand this, it definitely breaches the point of reasonable doubt, in fact it establishes by balance of probabilities (rather robustly!) that Meredith was confronted before 9:30 PM.


The prosecution cannot agree with that as it destroys their case, however you must have noted no one (relevant) is bandying about ToDs of 11:45 or even 10:30 PM anymore, they have to work with the edge of the barely possible, which cannot be completely eliminated.

However the fact the prosecution ever pretended a 11:45 ToD was reasonable shows their level of respect for scientific data. They had Meredith running a three minute mile as that was necessary for their other 'evidence' to 'line up.'

 

[Samson]

Greetings,
I was just looking for something that was bugging me about this brutal murder case we discuss and found that Amanda Knox has posted the 2 of the 3, (well of that I am aware of), Italian transcripts from the official interviews, err interrogations with Rudy Guede.

Links:
http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2008-Mar-26-Guede-Interrogation.pdf

http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2008-May-15-Guede-Interrogation.pdf


But we are missing the 1st one, from back in Dec. 07, 2007 from when PM Mignini verbally 1st got his hands on "poor" Rudy. For over 7 hours Mignini chatted with Rudy, I surely would luv to read of that conversation, especially because old Perugia Shock says this about Guede's lawyer after Rudy had his talk with the PM: Biscotti specifies that "He didn't name anyone because there's no one to be named".[/I]

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080117...t.com/2007/12/theres-non-name-to-be-done.html


Come AK's Defense!
Dig up and post that 1st interrogation with Rudy!

And translate all 3 into English also, pretty please!!!

This seems the way Rudy finessed his involvement. He never dared name the two until they were safely convicted. Until that time he would be uncertain of the ramifications to himself for being exposed as a barefaced liar. Who would want to be accused of callunia in that fine country?

 

[Samson]

You win. She had a digestion that by all accounts was delayed way beyond normal without stress and then was stressed when she arrived home but her system then would have worked within minutes. It makes no sense.

The study of one person had digestion starting in less than half an hour so obviously that test didn't apply at all in this case.

Sampson now wants to move the TO Dinner to 7:30 because it just doesn't work well to have it at 6 or 6:30.

Maybe she didn't eat until 8:30. Why not pick whatever time works for the digestion theory of choice?

The digestion may be a great argument for TOD not being after 11 or 11:30 but it just can't be used to say it must have been 9:05.

I say 7 30 is probable because the statistics say 6 to 6 30 would have her dead before 9. Grinder I am focussing purely on probability, and I conclude that there is proof of Rudy's real break in before 9 emanating from the gastric evidence, and she was killed or stressed at this time. Massei's 6 30 gives the accused a complete alibi, but that would spoil the fun for PGP.
Part of my point is to repeat the meme of sheer unreliability of eyewitness testimony. But the British girls of course are truth tellers unlike Amanda, so they unwittingly accord Amanda a total, foolproof alibi. Where are the brats in her hour of need? Why has she never heard again from Laura, Filomena, Robyn, Sophie etc? Have none had the curiosity or courage to research or speak out in 6 1/2 years?

I keep reading scholarly articles saying Amanda's chances of avoiding extradition are forlorn, so I find myself thinking she needs the most easily grasped and provable physical evidence to ram where the sun doesn't shine.
Think John Kerry who proudly refuses to comment while Amanda says publicly "I am very scared". Shame.

 

[Kaosium]

I say 7 30 is probable because the statistics say 6 to 6 30 would have her dead before 9.

However the evidence for the meal being started from 6:00 PM to 6:30 is more definite, the length of the movie including the reported break along with that being right in the middle of the estimates given by the witnesses who were there pretty much nails down the meal being started between 6:00 and 6:30.

Your way actually destroys the entire argument.

 

[Samson]

However the evidence for the meal being started from 6:00 PM to 6:30 is more definite, the length of the movie including the reported break along with that being right in the middle of the estimates given by the witnesses who were there pretty much nails down the meal being started between 6:00 and 6:30.

Your way actually destroys the entire argument.

As above, by saying 7 30 I am taking a leaf from Grinder's book, be an authentic sceptic. If it was truly 6 30 it proves Rudy was in the house to kill or stress at 9. I read your 2012 posts and realise there is nothing new since then except a loathsome and sinister reconviction. At least Hitler believed in his cause. Nencini is worse.

 

[platonov]

It appears the beagle is not alone in his opinion.

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My guess is 3.5 hours. Maybe I'll ask my vet as well.

That's been done too - this thread has it all