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Democrat gun control victory in WA Senate
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When the short barreled rifle bill was being heard in the Senate Law and Justice Committee last month, Senator Kline, one of the most anti-gun people in Olympia supported the bill but bemoaned the fact that he couldn't get smaller gun control bills passed.
This evening the Senate passed a domestic violence bill which prohibits gun possession by people under restraining orders; the bill was amended to require some amount of due process. It still restricts gun possession without a felony conviction. Another bill relating to evidence based and research based interventions for juvenile firearm offenders was also passed. I'm not sure if these are the kind of minor gun bills Senator Kline had in mind when he was on his soapbox last month, but they just might be.
As of today 5956 was updated to show that it was "Committee relieved of further consideration". Hopefully it gets a vote on the House floor. As far as I know it is unusual for a bill to be pulled to the floor for a vote without going through the Rules Committee.
Ranb
This evening the Senate passed a domestic violence bill which prohibits gun possession by people under restraining orders; the bill was amended to require some amount of due process. It still restricts gun possession without a felony conviction. Another bill relating to evidence based and research based interventions for juvenile firearm offenders was also passed. I'm not sure if these are the kind of minor gun bills Senator Kline had in mind when he was on his soapbox last month, but they just might be.
As of today 5956 was updated to show that it was "Committee relieved of further consideration". Hopefully it gets a vote on the House floor. As far as I know it is unusual for a bill to be pulled to the floor for a vote without going through the Rules Committee.
Ranb
5956 passed 95-3-0-0. While Representative Jinkins tried to kill the bill in the Judiciary, she spoke out in support of it on the House floor. Politics is strange indeed. The bill goes to the governor next. From what I hear he is unlikely to veto it; I think the bill would have not made it to the House floor if Insley was likely to do so.
Interesting that there are too many people posting their prejudiced, uneducated and insulting outrage about strictly controlled and registered firearms which are not used in any crime (afaik) in WA. I've yet to hear any WA politicians express the same BS about SBS/SBR I've read in this thread.
Ranb
Interesting that there are too many people posting their prejudiced, uneducated and insulting outrage about strictly controlled and registered firearms which are not used in any crime (afaik) in WA. I've yet to hear any WA politicians express the same BS about SBS/SBR I've read in this thread.
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BStrong
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5956 passed 98-0-0. While Representative Jinkins tried to kill the bill in the Judiciary, she spoke out in support of it on the House floor. Politics is strange indeed. The bill goes to the governor next. From what I hear he is unlikely to veto it; I think the bill would have not made it to the House floor if Insley was likely to do so.
Interesting that there are too many people posting their prejudiced, uneducated and insulting outrage about strictly controlled and registered firearms which are not used in any crime (afaik) in WA. I've yet to hear any WA politicians express the same BS about SBS/SBR I've read in this thread.
Ranb
What will you be buying for your first SBR? I'd suggest a Krink variation in 7.62 x 39.
The law goes into affect 90 days after the session ends on march 13th. (June 11ish) Tonight I plan on e-filing two ATF form 1's. One for my TC contender carbine (I have several pistol barrels to attach) and one of my AR-15's so I can finally remove the shroud that is taking place of the last 6 inches of barrel and surrounding the silencer.
I'm not a big fan of the AK and its variants, I sold my WASR a while back. I might buy an FN P-90; that is a big chunk of change though.
Ranb
I'm not a big fan of the AK and its variants, I sold my WASR a while back. I might buy an FN P-90; that is a big chunk of change though.
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BStrong
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Buddy of mine has an SBR T/C he bought from Don Walsh (Larand) in 45/70 with one of Don's cans - heavy - very quiet - but when you squeezed off a round, you know you've fired something.
I prefer AK SBR's over SBR's on the AR platform (we're talking recreational purposes) but you need to use a can on either type - short barrels and rifle or assault rifle calibers make for noisy pieces.
I've got some time on the P90 and when I went through the FN armorer school the P90 was included in the course of instruction. Very interesting design from a mechanical viewpoint, but if I had the facility, license and capital I think a P90 in 9 x 23 would be a very effective tool with none of the sub-caliber drawbacks. A 147 grain JHP slug at 1,500 -1,600 fps would be a serious working tool, and be effective and accurate out to 100. I'm not convinced the 5.7 is the next big thing, but it is a good round for individuals that are recoil sensitive or gun shy.
I just moved to a remote, rural area with coyotes, black bears, and cougars. I'm considering buying a shotgun for protecting family and pets (with the general concept of wishing to scare away the critters, not hurt them). I'll also be doing a lot of solo hiking, and I'm considering a SBS for portability.
I'm not knowledgeable about guns, and I'm (virtually) always on the side of more gun control. FWIW.
Don't plan on that short barreled shotgun yet, 5956 was only for short barreled rifles. Hopefully Blake and Hatfield will drop a short barreled shotgun bill next session. Perhaps Representative Jinkins supportive words this morning in the House mean she is amenable to SBS.
They're also hard on silencers. I saw a rapid fire AR15 SBR with an AAC can on it. Flames coming out of the ejection port and muzzle made the welder's gloves and wrap around eye protection a good thing to wear.
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plague311
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Never fired a gun, never even had the desire, but it is always funny reading these threads. Watching people get themselves worked all in a lather because their position on guns is right, and the others is always wrong.
Glad to see that whatever it is you wanted got supported or approved or whatever.
Glad to see that whatever it is you wanted got supported or approved or whatever.
Not approved yet, so it would still be one of those whatevers.
The bill was delivered to the governor this morning. He might sign it, allow the bill to become law without his signature or veto it. The session ends at 5pm Thursday. I suspect that Inslee will allow the bill to become law without his signature; this would happen 20 days after the session ends. Without a veto the law goes into effect 90 days later or about June 11th.
It's possible the bill might just get a veto. I heard Inslee has F grade from the NRA (big whoop, so does my grandma) for his voting record on guns. The NRA has stayed out of state level gun politics for the most part here.
Ranb
The bill was delivered to the governor this morning. He might sign it, allow the bill to become law without his signature or veto it. The session ends at 5pm Thursday. I suspect that Inslee will allow the bill to become law without his signature; this would happen 20 days after the session ends. Without a veto the law goes into effect 90 days later or about June 11th.
It's possible the bill might just get a veto. I heard Inslee has F grade from the NRA (big whoop, so does my grandma) for his voting record on guns. The NRA has stayed out of state level gun politics for the most part here.
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SB 5956 was signed by the governor today. The video is here; http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2014040038 About 56 minutes in. I was not able to make it to the bill signing as I'm traveling, but no biggie. I'll shake the governor's hand when he signs the bills for short barreled shotguns and machine guns.
Interesting that the legislators involved never publicly voiced the same kind of irrational crap and insults I read in this thread. I've yet to find out what reasons the three nay vote Representatives have to say about the bill, but I'm sure it will be much more rational than much of what Smartcooky, Cain and Cool Hand Luke had to say.
By simply attaching the 7mm tcu pistol barrel to the registered carbine frame I have a short barreled rifle. The above photo shows the barrel resting in the carbine frame, it is not attached; I have to wait until July 12th for the bill to become law, then wait another nine months for the application to be approved. I can go hunting with it in 2015.
Ranb
Interesting that the legislators involved never publicly voiced the same kind of irrational crap and insults I read in this thread. I've yet to find out what reasons the three nay vote Representatives have to say about the bill, but I'm sure it will be much more rational than much of what Smartcooky, Cain and Cool Hand Luke had to say.
By simply attaching the 7mm tcu pistol barrel to the registered carbine frame I have a short barreled rifle. The above photo shows the barrel resting in the carbine frame, it is not attached; I have to wait until July 12th for the bill to become law, then wait another nine months for the application to be approved. I can go hunting with it in 2015.
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Great news, Ranb!SB 5956 was signed by the governor today. The video is here; http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2014040038 About 56 minutes in. I was not able to make it to the bill signing as I'm traveling, but no biggie. I'll shake the governor's hand when he signs the bills for short barreled shotguns and machine guns.
I suspect that things will only get worse for us here in NY.
tyr_13
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Great news, Ranb!
I suspect that things will only get worse for us here in NY.
Seconded. On both counts.
Looks like you'll have a fine walking rifle Ranb.
The bill is here. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5956&year=2013
Text; http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate Passed Legislature/5956.PL.pdf
The RCW prohibits manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish and transport of SBR's; an exception is made to possess, transport, acquire,or transfer a short-barreled rifle that is legally registered in accordance with federal law.
Some people noticed that the exception does not include manufacture (or make). I also noticed it but assumed that acquire covered making or manufacturing. An AG opinion has been requested, hopefully he will not throw a wrench into the works. It would suck if I had to buy from a dealer instead of making my own.
Ranb
Text; http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Senate Passed Legislature/5956.PL.pdf
The RCW prohibits manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish and transport of SBR's; an exception is made to possess, transport, acquire,or transfer a short-barreled rifle that is legally registered in accordance with federal law.
Some people noticed that the exception does not include manufacture (or make). I also noticed it but assumed that acquire covered making or manufacturing. An AG opinion has been requested, hopefully he will not throw a wrench into the works. It would suck if I had to buy from a dealer instead of making my own.
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I totally disagree.
All weapons (and by this I mean all devices that are capable of killing another human being or anything alive and this includes knives, nunchucks, bow and arrow, guns, rifles, cannons, etc.) should be subjected to regulation and safety training.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about implements that are designed as weapons. While anything can be used as a weapon, there are objects that are specifically designed to be weapons.
tyr_13
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Probably, but the actual words that bodybro64 (welcome to the boards by the way!) used to define weapons would include sticks. And kitchen knives. And screw drivers. And rope. And long boot laces. You can see how I can poke fun at the overly broad definition of 'weapon' given.
Although if I remember correctly, the overwhelming majority of knives used in crime are kitchen knives, so maybe that actually is the point.
Anything that is designed to kill.