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Two more leaks. This is fun. First, the Gas Princess was spied on while phoning an old crony of hers. I'm sure there have been similar calls between Nuland and Pyatt over the Crimea, including calling Putin a rude m-r word, but I hope they at least didn't fantasize about nuking all Russians including the eight millions inside Ukraine and leaving not even scorched earth, like Timoshenko does. Her watercarrier "can't disagree", also about that it all hadn't happened if Yulia would just have been around. :rolleyes:

I told you she wears the trousers over there, and Yats is maybe even more frightened of her than he is of the "Right Sektor" Nazis.

Which brings us to the second leak - Right Sektor coordinator in western Ukraine, Oleksandr MuzychkoWP, already has his fair share of video prominence proving he is a totally loose cannon, but the leak shows him from a "different", more private side, having a good time with nice company... lol. Maybe I've never come that close to have pity with Nazis, but on the other hand I could watch this for hours (maybe NSFW although I'm not exactly sure about the reasons). :D
 
I stand corrected. But in terms of Economics and Politics..and that is what we are really concerned with here....about the only Thing Russia has given the world is a good negative example.

I wasn't talking about economics or politics, only about science and technology. Their contributions to the fields of science and technology are undeniable.
 
I know you are grasping at straws, but they voted 328 to 0. There was no opposition. The rest of the delegates either failed to show up or didn't vote. The Ukrainian parliament declared the president constitutionally unable to serve out his term. They acted according to the constitution, so it wasn't illegal.

We are after all talking about a country that was abandoned by their president. He fled, as he knew he wasn't going to get away with the same crap he had pulled on his countrymen anymore. He failed to sign in the law that would have reverted the country back to the 2004 constitution, and thus left the country in a sort of legal limbo. This has, unfortunately, let a lot of pro-dictatorship people in the West and East grasp on the straw of the 10 missing votes. The Ukrainian parliament did what they could and unanimously voted to impeach Yanukovych.

What Russia is doing is, as you admit, completely illegal, as was the Crimean referendum. I'm glad we agree on that at least. Perhaps now you'll get on board in discussing what is to be done against the aggressor state Russia.

Why did the rest of the delegates not show up for the vote? Intimidated? Kept from showing? Afraid?

It's hardly the first time a parliament was manipulated by force.

No, this is actually a fact. I am not grasping at nothing because the fact is they required another 10 votes to remove him. They didn't have the necessary votes to remove him. The vote did not uphold to the constitutional guidelines and required a 338 vote. That is a fact, that is how it is per constitution. It was a coup.

"But a legal gap remains. According to the terms of an EU-brokered peace deal finalized on February 21, Yanukovych was due to sign a measure returning Ukraine to its 2004 constitution.

Yanukovych, however, failed to sign the measure. The omission appears to leave Kyiv in the kind of legal limbo that may prove fodder for future arguments against the current government transition.

The 1996 and the 2004 constitutions are uniform when it comes to the reasons for removing a president, with Article 111 stating the parliament has the right to initiate a procedure of impeachment "if he commits treason or other crime."


However, it is not clear that the hasty February 22 vote upholds constitutional guidelines, which call for a review of the case by Ukraine's Constitutional Court and a three-fourths majority vote by the Verkhovna Rada -- i.e., 338 lawmakers.

Pro-Yanukovych lawmakers may also argue that under the 1996 constitution, it should have been the current acting prime minister, Serhiy Arbuzov, who assumed power after Yanukovych's removal."
http://www.rferl.org/content/was-yan.../25274346.html

Now look at Ukraine's constitution here, article 108-112 - http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter05.html

Under Articles 108-112 of Ukraine’s constitution you can see there are 4 ways the president may leave office during his tenure: resignation (he did not), inability to exercise presidential authority for health reasons; (he is fit and healthy), death (he is alive), and impeachment. You can see for yourself in article 111 that impeachment must follow a proper procedure: Parliament must vote to impeach and then convene a committee to investigate. That committee must investigate and report back to parliament, which must then vote to bring charges.

This did not happen, Yanukovych was illegally removed from office.

As for him apparently abandoning his post, this doesn't actually matter the only way he can give up his post is to personally announce his resignation to parliament. This did not happen.


Actually I questioned the legitimately of pretty much everything.

Finally there is nothing Europe can really do to Russia which will be of any significance. The US will more likely be harsher...Europe however won't come to any agreement because Europe needs Russia, namely the Germans. Putin doesn't give a **** about being out of the G8. In addition to that Putin has played his hand, he'll probably cause further instability in Ukraine but he has no interests in making East Ukraine apart of Russia. The Crimea is very important to Russia and they cannot afford to give it up. Putin has the support of BRIC's and as a result of the west being hostile towards Russia, Putin is going to open up deeper trade with Iran violating sanctions in place. Fun times ahead.

Putin is a boss.
 
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It's hardly the first time a parliament was manipulated by force.


The Nazi with the strange idea of a good time mentioned above managed to single-handedly force a regional parliament to hold a session as you can read at his wikipedia article. Well, that hand holding a Kalashnikov, of course.

I came across a report (German) of an Austrian observer to the Crimea referendum today. As I suspected those people are outside the mainstream, and he makes quite a point that they are "left" and well as "right" (like him) including some members of the European Parliament. From another interview with a German Russia expert I heard that the OSCE was invited to send observers but refused. Likely the same happened with other organizations for obvious reasons of "political correctness" as I alluded to already.

So the best we have is that other organization the Austrian was a part of, which was also invited by the Crimean government, the EODE. Here is their joined statement on what they observed.
 
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The G-8 is now the G-7;Russia got the boot today.

Putin doesn't give a ◊◊◊◊ about the G8. See my post above, good times are only starting for him and Russia.

Also someone should let Uke know he just lost badly in this thread and I don't expect him to reply lol.
 
Finally there is nothing Europe can really do to Russia which will be of any significance. The US will more likely be harsher...Europe however won't come to any agreement because Europe needs Russia, namely the Germans. Putin doesn't give a **** about being out of the G8. In addition to that Putin has played his hand, he'll probably cause further instability in Ukraine but he has no interests in making East Ukraine apart of Russia. The Crimea is very important to Russia and they cannot afford to give it up. Putin has the support of BRIC's and as a result of the west being hostile towards Russia, Putin is going to open up deeper trade with Iran violating sanctions in place. Fun times ahead.


Every politician in Europe with two working braincells (P2WBC, which makes a shockingly short list, but anyway, they have the public on their side) understands that this is one of those "we cannot lose as we have an ocean between us and the mess" schemes of neo-con "full spectrum dominance" fever. And the goal that was seemingly achieved by now is a central one - divide EU and Russia (and **** both). The question is how much this is going to play out in the mid term, against the better knowledge of the European Industry, public AND P2WBC. Especially given the timely new Snowden story about how Chinese industry was spied on big time by the NSA. And messages like this. Will the petro dollar die over this affair?
 
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Also someone should let Uke know he just lost badly in this thread and I don't expect him to reply lol.
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Why did the rest of the delegates not show up for the vote? Intimidated? Kept from showing? Afraid?

I have no evidence. Do you?

It's hardly the first time a parliament was manipulated by force.

So?

No, this is actually a fact. I am not grasping at nothing because the fact is they required another 10 votes to remove him.

He removed himself. The remaining parliament worked with what they had and voted to impeach.

They didn't have the necessary votes to remove him. The vote did not uphold to the constitutional guidelines and required a 338 vote. That is a fact, that is how it is per constitution. It was a coup.

It was a parliament voting unanimously to impeach the president.

"But a legal gap remains. According to the terms of an EU-brokered peace deal finalized on February 21, Yanukovych was due to sign a measure returning Ukraine to its 2004 constitution.

Yanukovych, however, failed to sign the measure. The omission appears to leave Kyiv in the kind of legal limbo that may prove fodder for future arguments against the current government transition.

The 1996 and the 2004 constitutions are uniform when it comes to the reasons for removing a president, with Article 111 stating the parliament has the right to initiate a procedure of impeachment "if he commits treason or other crime."

That's what I said.


http://www.rferl.org/content/was-yan.../25274346.html

Now look at Ukraine's constitution here, article 108-112 - http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter05.html

Under Articles 108-112 of Ukraine’s constitution you can see there are 4 ways the president may leave office during his tenure: resignation (he did not), inability to exercise presidential authority for health reasons; (he is fit and healthy), death (he is alive), and impeachment. You can see for yourself in article 111 that impeachment must follow a proper procedure: Parliament must vote to impeach and then convene a committee to investigate. That committee must investigate and report back to parliament, which must then vote to bring charges.

This did not happen, Yanukovych was illegally removed from office.

He removed himself from office.

As for him apparently abandoning his post, this doesn't actually matter the only way he can give up his post is to personally announce his resignation to parliament. This did not happen.

No, the parliament voted unanimously to impeach him.

Actually I questioned the legitimately of pretty much everything.

Finally there is nothing Europe can really do to Russia which will be of any significance. The US will more likely be harsher...Europe however won't come to any agreement because Europe needs Russia, namely the Germans. Putin doesn't give a **** about being out of the G8. In addition to that Putin has played his hand, he'll probably cause further instability in Ukraine but he has no interests in making East Ukraine apart of Russia. The Crimea is very important to Russia and they cannot afford to give it up. Putin has the support of BRIC's and as a result of the west being hostile towards Russia, Putin is going to open up deeper trade with Iran violating sanctions in place. Fun times ahead.

Putin is a boss.

Sounds like your kind of guy.
 
This is an amazing article in the WSJ where the double-think is strong. It is about amount and nature of intelligence Washington had about the Russian moves in Crimea. It is absolutely stunning how many words they need to describe between the lines (and maybe even invisible to themselves) that there has been no invasion of Crimea, while falling back in every second paragraph to the propaganda line that an invasion took place, drinking their own kool-aid. Bizarre.
 
Every politician in Europe with two working braincells (P2WBC, which makes a shockingly short list, but anyway, they have the public on their side)

I fully agree. Luckily most have more than two, any pretty much all of them seem to totally disagree with you. I don't wonder why at all :)

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Jarosh isn't happy with the death of his "sworn brother" Muzychko and accused the interior minister (Timoshenko lackey) of having murdered him. He demands his resignation. Other Right Sektor guys aren't that diplomatic and threaten to murder him in revenge. Instead of the Interior minister, the Defense minister (Svoboda) left/was kicked out of office today. Klitschko (Merkel lackey) demanded that the President (Timoshenko lackey) resigns, who asked the "parliament" for their trust, which they gave him. Yats (Timoshenko/Nuland lackey) apparently gets a lot of pressure from Europe (judged for example by this SPIEGEL article which you can judge by its cover, the Yats foto they chose) to clean the openly detectable fascists out. Problem, he asked them already, more than once, to give up their weapons and they refused, first of all and loudest of course Muzychko. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Will Parubiy (Nazi) send his "National Guard" against the Right Sektor? Doubtful, as there is a huge overlap between the two. Are the rumours correct that Yats hired "blackwater" mercenaries and will he send them? Other rumours say that Yanukovych is back in Charkow and plots his come back.
 
Apparently he was killed shortly after I posted the link. Good riddance. Poor girls will have a hard time finding a better job.

Hm. So the embarrassing video leak coincided with an attack in which he died? This kind of synchronization could helps with a housecleaning, if that were going on...

Related news? The Kiev cabal's Defense chief, Svoboda bigwig Igor Tenyukh, has also resigned and already replaced.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140325/188...e-Minister-Resigns-Replacement-Appointed.html

Not under pressure for being a Nazi, I hear, but " after harsh criticism for authorities' often-hesitant reaction to Russia's annexation of Crimea"
In an address to parliament, Defense Minister Igor Tenyukh denied that he had failed to issue clear instructions to troops but said he reserved the right to resign.

The order for Ukrainian troops to withdraw from Crimea was issued Monday, a week after many bases had already been stormed and seized by pro-Russian forces.

Lawmakers initially refused Tenyukh's resignation, but later accepted it and voted to appoint Col. Gen. Mykhailo Koval as his replacement.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-defense-chief-resigns-troops-leave-crimea-105349560.html
 
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