Why do Republicans hate Common Core educational standards?

[fuelair]

"all" "teabaggers" "carping."

You misunderstand as he did not phrase himself well, he actually meant "All teabaggers eating crap!"

 

[Travis]

I did provide the details, but it requires you to actually click a link.

And this is hardly the first time a teachers union has complained about standards, they're always complaining about standardized testing. They want white collar pay and benefits without any of the responsibility or accountability that goes with it. They want the responsibility and accountability of an assembly line worker at a widget factory.

As my mom was a teacher I take huge offense with that. Yes, they would like good pay and benefits. There are not many other jobs that require you to navigate the minefield that is a classroom of 7 year old children. Some are emotionally stunted, some have learning disabilities. They have to be identified and dealt with. Some of the kids are being abused or neglected. They have to be identified too. All the while even the normal kids are going through all the turmoil of growing up with all the highs and lows that entails. Oh and in the middle of this all you are supposed to confer life long knowledge and skills to them. Then you turn around and have parents come in and complain that their kid is special and deserves to be treated differently. Other parents come in and complain that your version of math or spelling offends their religion. Still others want to know why you used a book with Person ______ in it because Person ______ is evil because of politics/religion/Skeletor. Still others come in to yell at you just because they are plain crazy and want to yell.

In spite of all that they try very hard to get the job done even if society just views them as a parasite.

Teachers should be paid like white collar workers. They are way more important to society than any actual white collar worker and deal with way more BS.

 

[icebear]

http://www.coachisright.com/common-...ls-deemed-pornographic-even-americas-prisons/

...After teaching for over thirty years in U.S. public schools and colleges, am I asking too much of our educators to explain why we’re teaching grade schoolers how to masturbate but not teaching them how to read, write, and solve mathematical equations by using methods that our business world can understand?

 

[Brainster]

High school graduates are more likely to vote Republican, while college graduates are more likely to vote Democrats. High education tends to correlate to voting Dem, lower tends to relate to Republicans.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/s...abato/education-level-tied-voting-tendencies/

Historically that has not been the case. For example, 1960 and 1964. College grads went overwhelmingly for Nixon (61%-39%), high school grads slightly for Kennedy (52%-48%) and those without a diploma went strongly for JFK (55%-45%). Although all groups went for Johnson in 1964, there was a strong correlation between voting GOP and education level, with Goldwater doing better among high school grads (38%) than dropouts (34%) and better still among college grads (48%).

That trend persisted for a very long time. In 1996, Clinton did better among dropouts (58%) than high school grads (52%) than college grads (47%).

In 2000 and 2004? Same trend. Education level strongly correlated to voting for the GOP. Kerry in particular did much better among dropouts (69%) than among high school grads (54%) and among college grads (47%). Now it is true that Kerry and Gore did well among those with a postgraduate degree (those figures aren't available for the earlier elections). And it does seem that the relationship between education and voting patterns changed in 2008 and 2012; we will see if that realignment lasts.

 

[Travis]

http://www.coachisright.com/common-...ls-deemed-pornographic-even-americas-prisons/

Teaching proper sex ed is important. It shouldn't be pitted against the other core skills.

Does anyone think it really is? I'd love some evidence that we are actually eschewing teaching kids to read in order to teach them to masturbate.

 

[elbe]

Teaching proper sex ed is important. It shouldn't be pitted against the other core skills.

Does anyone think it really is? I'd love some evidence that we are actually eschewing teaching kids to read in order to teach them to masturbate.

It's been a few years but I don't really recall that being in my SexEd class. Of course I'm pretty sure I'd figured it out on my own by then.

 

[fuelair]

http://www.coachisright.com/common-...ls-deemed-pornographic-even-americas-prisons/

sounds like dipfeces to me!!!!!

 

[icebear]

High school graduates are more likely to vote Republican, while college graduates are more likely to vote Democrats. High education tends to correlate to voting Dem, lower tends to relate to Republicans.....sabato/education-level-tied-voting-tendencies/[/url]

My college degrees (plural) are in mathematics, and I have coursework equivalent to another bachelors in Russian language.

I vote against democrats because I view the US democrat party as the primary focus of evil in the world. I vote for whoever has the best probabilistic shot at preventing the democrat from holding the office in question. It doesn't really matter who the other guy is, he could be a Nazi, a communist, a member of the Black Panthers or the Klan or a member of the Green Dragon Tong or the Thug sect... Usually due to the way the US political system is set up, the other guy is a Republican.

 

[fuelair]

Teaching proper sex ed is important. It shouldn't be pitted against the other core skills.

Does anyone think it really is? I'd love some evidence that we are actually eschewing teaching kids to read in order to teach them to masturbate.

For all those who might want that, NO - I have had the sex-ed training in several systems in two states (what with my Bio. degree) and nothing beyond the basic mechanics of the two involved systems gets covered - a lot of sex ed is a re:look at how to handle personal problems/reactions to people who diss you or whom you have dissed and similar. We did (the teachers in one system) get to have questions we might get asked in class asked of us and I am pleased to note there were none that one participant could not answer fully and with variations D guess
who ). However, we were told specifically and clearly that we were NOT to answer student's questions of these types/topics...........

Short version: No! we are not skimping on reading to teach masturbation (or zoophilia, necrophilia [hey, dead people need love too!!] or anal sex for that matter. BTW for students from poor/disadvantaged neighborhoods, the biggest reading problem is NOT the schools it is that they mostly come from homes where they were rarely spoken to/listened to and there was little to no reading material in their homes. There is much research verifying that this affects their ability to read, communicate functionally and generally do well in school - in ways teachers with more than one child to work with (pretty much all teachers there) cannot overcome. I'll pop back with more info from people who do the actual studies on this.

 

[fuelair]

As to the reading: http://www.readingrockets.org/article/11375
http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/startearly/ch_1.html
https://dibels.uoregon.edu/market/assessment/dibels/
http://www.reading.ccsu.edu/demos/C... Winter 2008/Articles/Rasinski-HS Fluency.pdf

 

[WildCat]

Unfortunately the link doesn't describe why the teachers in question are opposed to the testing. Here in the UK we have testing and teacher opposition is focused on the disruption that the testing causes. Children are being taught to do well in the standardised testing and administrators and managers are obesessing about doing well in the tests rather than the children getting an education. The other thing that standardised testing is criticised about is that it fails to adequately take into account external factors so that schools in areas where English is not a majority language and teachers get little or no support from parents do less well than schools in solid middle-class areas.

The standardized testing exists so the state has an idea how well students are learning the standardized curriculum.

What's the point of having education standards if you have no way of measuring if they're actually being adhered to and learned? Many a school district has graduated students from high school who could barely spell their own names, let alone learned necessary reading, math, science, geography, etc. That's why this testing has been adopted.

 

[WildCat]

As my mom was a teacher I take huge offense with that. Yes, they would like good pay and benefits. There are not many other jobs that require you to navigate the minefield that is a classroom of 7 year old children. Some are emotionally stunted, some have learning disabilities. They have to be identified and dealt with. Some of the kids are being abused or neglected. They have to be identified too. All the while even the normal kids are going through all the turmoil of growing up with all the highs and lows that entails. Oh and in the middle of this all you are supposed to confer life long knowledge and skills to them. Then you turn around and have parents come in and complain that their kid is special and deserves to be treated differently. Other parents come in and complain that your version of math or spelling offends their religion. Still others want to know why you used a book with Person ______ in it because Person ______ is evil because of politics/religion/Skeletor. Still others come in to yell at you just because they are plain crazy and want to yell.

In spite of all that they try very hard to get the job done even if society just views them as a parasite.

Teachers should be paid like white collar workers. They are way more important to society than any actual white collar worker and deal with way more BS.

Sounds like your mom was in the wrong profession, or should simply be paid the same as day care workers if she had given up on actually teaching them anything. You don't need a college degree to be a babysitter.

 

[Metullus]

My beef with the Common Core is simple: in adopting the Common Core Math curriculum in our middle school we are seriously dumbing down our math standards and limiting our ability to help those students who excel at math to advance as rapidly as they otherwise would. This is driven by the local high school. Our high school is using the new standards as an excuse to not enroll incoming freshmen in any course more advanced than Math 1 regardless of their performance in 7th and 8th grade.

We are a very poor rural K-8, yet we have over the last 5 years established a very successful math program. In our high school the overwhelming majority of freshmen (75 - 80%) are enrolled in Algebra 1 while more than 50% of our graduating 8th graders move directly into geometry as freshmen having completed algebra 1 in middle school. This year about 25% of our 8th grade class is already enrolled in geometry. These students will be in algebra 2 as freshmen and will be able to enroll in AB, BC Calculus as Juniors. Next year will be the last year that we will be able to let these kids move up, after that they will all go into Math 1 in high school. Not a good thing.

 

[angrysoba]

Sounds like your mom was in the wrong profession, or should simply be paid the same as day care workers if she had given up on actually teaching them anything. You don't need a college degree to be a babysitter.

Oh goodness me! Could you be any trollier?

It seems clear that Travis is telling you his mother had a hard job and a skilled one, and that you have reacted by trying to belittle her experiences. That's not very nice, you know.

 

[fuelair]

The standardized testing exists so the state has an idea how well students are learning the standardized curriculum.

What's the point of having education standards if you have no way of measuring if they're actually being adhered to and learned? Many a school district has graduated students from high school who could barely spell their own names, let alone learned necessary reading, math, science, geography, etc. That's why this testing has been adopted.

Areas of fun but no research on your part: fully studied and verified - and start from the info I already provided in one of these threads: children who were not often read to and talked to cannot pick up reading at nearly the rate of kids who were - even if the teacher and reading specialists HAVE the extra time to work one on one with them they start with lead weights on. Most of them will miss the magic point (app. 9 yrs old - 3rd-4th grade) where if they cannot read at grade level they will never be able to read for learning (textbooks will not do any good for them). If that happens, they can pass through high school and maybe get a special diploma, but they will not be able to functionally comprehend the material in the books they must use in their course, nor will they be able to follow the material on tests, assignments, instruction sheets for labs AND they will not be able to pass the standardized test because they cannot effectively read the questions. Similar applies to math. Essentially a child who scores 1s and low 2s on the FL version of the test will not be able to graduate with a real diploma from a FL school. Not my fault as I do not teach elementary school and nothing I can do can overcome the reading problem that was caused before they ever got to school. Also, I do not teach Language Arts, but I read up (even as a retired teacher) on what is going on so....,... Teachers can do what they do and do it well, but they cannot have any effect on things the brain cannot do and the parents chose not to do.

Feel free to read the four articles I posted above (about four-5 posts back). It's not me saying this, I'm just passing on from the work of the people who study it. Also, remember the reading problem affects the kids whether they are kindergarten, Primary, Middle or High School. A hell of a thing.........

Almost forgot this is because of the way the brain wires/arranges itself, stuff that does not get properly used applied to the brain can't make the brain form the connections it must have for activities/functions/patterns, etc.

 

[fuelair]

Last item:close to 32% of our Chemistry classes had students (incompetent guidance counselors and parents who thought Chem would be good for them and help them get into college) who had 1s (failing) on FCAT reading/writing and 1s or very low 2s (barely passing but not good enough to graduate) on FCATmath - meaning they could not read the textbook, comprehend verbal or written directions to any real degree and could not do math at a level that would allow them to do even the most basic Chem calculations. It's fun to teach people who have no chance of passing a course and you are not allowed to modify for them *except special needs students - and the lack of ability to read or do math functionally is not treated as a special need. Neither Travis's mom nor I like the situation but we cannot do anything about it. Nor can the other teachers in public schools (student's in private schools in most states are NOT required to take the tests by the by...

 

[fuelair]

My beef with the Common Core is simple: in adopting the Common Core Math curriculum in our middle school we are seriously dumbing down our math standards and limiting our ability to help those students who excel at math to advance as rapidly as they otherwise would. This is driven by the local high school. Our high school is using the new standards as an excuse to not enroll incoming freshmen in any course more advanced than Math 1 regardless of their performance in 7th and 8th grade.

We are a very poor rural K-8, yet we have over the last 5 years established a very successful math program. In our high school the overwhelming majority of freshmen (75 - 80%) are enrolled in Algebra 1 while more than 50% of our graduating 8th graders move directly into geometry as freshmen having completed algebra 1 in middle school. This year about 25% of our 8th grade class is already enrolled in geometry. These students will be in algebra 2 as freshmen and will be able to enroll in AB, BC Calculus as Juniors. Next year will be the last year that we will be able to let these kids move up, after that they will all go into Math 1 in high school. Not a good thing.

I know why - and I bet you do too. Fortunately here the HS I was at was perfectly happy to do the version you should have there and has done quite well with it!!!

 

[fuelair]

My college degrees (plural) are in mathematics, and I have coursework equivalent to another bachelors in Russian language.

I vote against democrats because I view the US democrat party as the primary focus of evil in the world. I vote for whoever has the best probabilistic shot at preventing the democrat from holding the office in question. It doesn't really matter who the other guy is, he could be a Nazi, a communist, a member of the Black Panthers or the Klan or a member of the Green Dragon Tong or the Thug sect... Usually due to the way the US political system is set up, the other guy is a Republican.

You misspelled republiker and Democratic and they are Thugee - Thug is the now English word derived from that name. There are, by the by, pretty much no actual Republicans anymore - and they have been dying off since around 1980. Be nice if they could come back, but I'm pretty sure the republickers are for historical purpose the death throes of an actual political party,

 

[The Don]

The standardized testing exists so the state has an idea how well students are learning the standardized curriculum.

What's the point of having education standards if you have no way of measuring if they're actually being adhered to and learned? Many a school district has graduated students from high school who could barely spell their own names, let alone learned necessary reading, math, science, geography, etc. That's why this testing has been adopted.

At the risk of repeating myself....

The experience with standardised testing in the UK has been that it is very disruptive. School performance is increasingly based on their absolute scores on these tests. As a consequence, teachers are increasingly having to spend time that they would otherwise devote to subject teaching to coaching students to do well in the standardised tests. Good teachers consider this to be a comparatively poor use of their time.

Standardised testing results are being used as the major way to judge teacher performance. If these results do not take into account other factors then this doesn't measure how effective teachers are so much as judge the neighbourhood in which they teach. A teacher getting 50% of their students through the standardised English testing if the majority of those students come from homes where English isn't the first language, where levels of social and economic deprivation are high, where school attendance is patchy and where students move from school to school regularly may be an exceptional performance whereas an 80% pass rate may be a poor result in a selective school where parental engagement is good and where most students come from stable, financially secure households.

 

[WildCat]

Oh goodness me! Could you be any trollier?

It seems clear that Travis is telling you his mother had a hard job and a skilled one, and that you have reacted by trying to belittle her experiences. That's not very nice, you know.

Sorry, but I'm damned sick of hearing "we are highly skilled professionals and deserve high pay and lifetime benefits" out of one side of their mouth while out the other side of their mouths they say "these kids can't be taught, they're from broken homes and they're poor".

In what other profession do workers demand raises while declaring that they cannot do the job?