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An article here in an Australian newspaper about the extreme temperatures they have been experiencing. Perth Now.

The weather bureau is normally conservative, but Bureau of Meteorology climate expert Neil Bennett said the data was staring climate change sceptics “in the face”.

“It’s climate change. It’s warming. It’s staring you in the face,” he said.

“This is crazy. This is madness, what’s going on now.

“The climate doesn’t change like this. This is really remarkable. The last four summers have all either been the hottest or second hottest on record.

Reading the comments after the article is, as usual as depressing as the article. The usual conspiracy theorists and people who know more than the scientists do. This one though could well be a poe .

Laughable….Climate alarmism at best, what the BOM fail to take into account are global scale Geo-Engineering programs that are taking place, the weather is being deliberately manipulated and modified to “confirm” the global warming myth, a ban needs to be put in place immediately to stop chemicals such aluminium, barium and strontium being sprayed into the atmosphere….go your own home work if you do not believe me…google Geo-Engineering and strat looking around, start looking up at the sky and take not of how different it looks today….we are breathing this stuff in!!!!
 
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Climate Change: Evidence & Causes

The Royal Society & National Academies of Science
Have produced a new report entitled: Climate Change: Evidence & Causes.
(there is an accompanying webcast as well).

Q & A addressed:

  1. Is the climate warming?
  2. How do scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities?
  3. CO2 is already in the atmosphere naturally, so why are emissions from human activity significant?
  4. What role has the Sun played in climate change in recent decades?
  5. What do changes in the vertical structure of atmospheric temperature — from the surface up to the stratosphere — tell us about the causes of recent climate change?
  6. Climate is always changing. Why is climate change of concern now?
  7. Is the current level of atmospheric CO2 concentration unprecedented in Earth’s history?
  8. Is there a point at which adding more CO2 will not cause further warming?
  9. Does the rate of warming vary from one decade to another?
  10. Does the recent slowdown of warming mean that climate change is no longer happening?
  11. If the world is warming, why are some winters and summers still very cold?
  12. Why is Arctic sea ice decreasing while Antarctic sea ice is not?
  13. How does climate change affect the strength and frequency of floods, droughts, hurricanes, and tornadoes?
  14. How fast is sea level rising?
  15. What is ocean acidification and why does it matter?
  16. How confident are scientists that Earth will warm further over the coming century?
  17. Are climate changes of a few degrees a cause for concern?
  18. What are scientists doing to address key uncertainties in our understanding of the climate system?
  19. Are disaster scenarios about tipping points like ‘turning off the Gulf Stream’ and release of methane from the Arctic a cause for concern?
  20. If emissions of greenhouse gases were stopped, would the climate return to the conditions of 200 years ago?

http://nas-sites.org/americasclimat...ussion-on-climate-change-evidence-and-causes/

A well put together information brochure designed to help address a lot of common questions and explain the basics of the scientific understandings about climate change while laying our the more compelling evidences supporting these understandings. It uses common language and is designed to help feed into public policy debate and discussions.

Additionally, the following NAS site links to a variety of other National Academies of Science pages dealing with a large variety of climate science studies and findings.
http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/

Enjoy!
Learn!
Vote!
 
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The Australian BOM site weighs in nicely with easy to understand chart of changes...


About the State of the Climate report
Weather and climate touch all aspects of Australian life. What we experience here at home is part of the global climate system. The Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO contribute significantly to the international effort of weather and climate monitoring, forecasting and research. In State of the Climate, we discuss the long-term trends in Australia’s climate.

This is our third biennial State of the Climate report. As with our earlier reports, we focus primarily on climate observations and monitoring carried out by the Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO in the Australian region, as well as on future climate scenarios.



State of the Climate 2014 draws on an extensive record of observations and analysis from CSIRO, the Bureau of Meteorology, and other sources.

Report at a glance
Data and analysis from the Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO show further warming of the atmosphere and oceans in the Australian region, as is happening globally. This change is occurring against the background of high climate variability, but the signal is clear.

Air and ocean temperatures across Australia are now, on average, almost a degree Celsius warmer than they were in 1910, with most of the warming occurring since 1950. This warming has seen Australia experiencing more warm weather and extreme heat, and fewer cool extremes. There has been an increase in extreme fire weather, and a longer fire season, across large parts of Australia.

Rainfall averaged across all of Australia has slightly increased since 1900. Since 1970, there have been large increases in annual rainfall in the northwest and decreases in the southwest. Autumn and early winter rainfall has mostly been below average in the southeast since 1990.

Atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations continue to rise and continued emissions will cause further warming over this century. Limiting the magnitude of future climate change requires large and sustained net global reductions in greenhouse gases.

KEY POINTS

Australia’s climate has warmed by 0.9°C since 1910, and the frequency of extreme weather has changed, with more extreme heat and fewer cool extremes.

Rainfall averaged across Australia has slightly increased since 1900, with the largest increases in the northwest since 1970.
Rainfall has declined since 1970 in the southwest, dominated by reduced winter rainfall. Autumn and early winter rainfall has mostly been below average in the southeast since 1990.

Extreme fire weather has increased, and the fire season has lengthened, across large parts of Australia since the 1970s.

Global mean temperature has risen by 0.85°C from 1880 to 2012.

The amount of heat stored in the global oceans has increased, and global mean sea level has risen by 225 mm from 1880 to 2012.

Annual average global atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations reached 395 parts per million (ppm) in 2013 and concentrations of the other major greenhouse gases are at their highest levels for at least 800 000 years.

Australian temperatures are projected to continue to increase, with more extremely hot days and fewer extremely cool days.

Average rainfall in southern Australia is projected to decrease, and heavy rainfall is projected to increase over most parts of Australia.

Sea-level rise and ocean acidification are projected to continue.

more

http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/
 
Just one study newly out, no follow-up yet, but for what it's worth :

Study suggests non-uniform climate warming globally

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140305160759.htm

A recent University of Oklahoma study of five decades of satellite data, model simulations and in situ observations suggests the impact of seasonal diurnal or daily warming varies between global regions affecting many ecosystem functions and services, such as food production, carbon sequestration and climate regulation. The effects of non-uniform climate warming on terrestrial ecosystems is a key challenge in carbon cycle research and for those making future predictions.
As this study suggests, the rate of climate warming varies by season and region, and between day and night. A synthesis of air temperature data from across the world reveals a greater rate of warming in winter than in summer in northern and high latitudes, but the inverse is true in some tropical regions.

Also, the data show a decline in the daily temperature range over 51 percent of the globe and an increase over only 13 percent, because night-time temperatures in most locations have risen faster than daytime temperatures.
 
The night time high temps are really not stressed yet they are the clearest indicator of trapping outgoing IR. Devil is in the details
To add some detail, it's night-time temperatures that are the killer during heatwaves. There's no relief, no time for the body to recover.
 
What has happened to all these scientifical types? being all reasonable and such!
What's happened to all us warmists? We seem so relaxed. It's as if we know something they don't ...

I sense a window closing so I'll get this in now : the AGW denial project is about to hit the precipitous decline phase that all cults arrive at. I called it as peaked when the Heartland billboard campaign revealed that the talent had moved on. AGW was only ever a skirmish; the real battle has been joined and it's between renewables and the old order. It's not being fought with AGW denial, it's being fought over economics and strategic national interest. The tactic now is not to mention climate change at all, any more than a tobacco company wants to mention lung cancer. Just don't go there.

Nobody who wants to be taken seriously wants to associate with AGW denial these days, and a company which wants to frack under your house without telling you is in great need of being taken seriously. They're in great need of not running oilrigs aground in the Arctic as well, but that's neither here nor there. PR can proactively distance the company from Monckton and Watts, to the extent that old white entitled males in good suits are able to get the point.

AGW denial is already a fringe in the Anglophone world, which is it's heartland. We're now at the point where everybody else is starting to notice that, and it's the cascade moment.

In the UK we've had flooding in the last decade that nobody's being persuaded is normal, and trotting out "Lord" Lawson (is anything uglier than a thin man in a fat man's skin?) to say otherwise is not helping the denier case. We have an extended general election in progress, and AGW is not a Tory strength by any means. That'll keep it in the public eye.

The Californian drought is going to be a popular news-filler in the US this summer, and AGW is bound to come up. If an El Nino saves the day in autumn it'll bring it's own telegenic problems with it, so there's no relief for deniers there.

In Australia the abject ineptitude of the Abbott government will tar AGW denial with the same brush whatever the weather does. If an El Nino does occur things are likely to get really wild, especially in Queensland. Which will sort out sea-level rise for a year or two, which is a relief.

I don't see any bright horizons for AGW deniers, and I've an active imagination. We're at the point where political argument becomes about what you'll do about AGW and when, not whether anything should be done at all.
 
I don't see any bright horizons for AGW deniers, and I've an active imagination. We're at the point where political argument becomes about what you'll do about AGW and when, not whether anything should be done at all.
Agreed 100%. The science of AGW is and always was neutral. It was a mistake to politicize the issue to begin with. The proper realm of politics is in the arena of what society does about the problem. ie mitigation. I am sure that will be just as vigorous a debate, but at least the debate will be addressing the correct issue.
 
It's old and not worth bothering with. Better things to do than deal with flat earthers but here you go courtesy trakar

http://nas-sites.org/americasclimate...ce-and-causes/

A well put together information brochure designed to help address a lot of common questions and explain the basics of the scientific understandings about climate change while laying our the more compelling evidences supporting these understandings. It uses common language and is designed to help feed into public policy debate and discussions.

Additionally, the following NAS site links to a variety of other National Academies of Science pages dealing with a large variety of climate science studies and findings.
http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/
 
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Thanks Macdoc I already used Trakar's links. The worse thing about this person is he is the environmental officer of Sasol. Has a PhD in toxicology as well and still he is a denier!!!
 
Hardly any comment needed given the past few pages....

Warming temperatures are pushing two chickadee species -- and their hybrids -- northward
Date:
March 6, 2014
Source:
Villanova University
Summary:
The zone of overlap between two popular, closely related backyard birds is moving northward at a rate that matches warming winter temperatures, according to a study. In a narrow strip that runs across the eastern U.S., Carolina Chickadees from the south meet and interbreed with Black-capped Chickadees from the north. The new study finds that this hybrid zone has moved northward at a rate of 0.7 mile per year over the last decade. That’s fast enough that the researchers had to add an extra study site partway through their project in order to keep up.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140306130056.htm
 
What's happened to all us warmists? We seem so relaxed. It's as if we know something they don't ...

I sense a window closing so I'll get this in now : the AGW denial project is about to hit the precipitous decline phase that all cults arrive at. I called it as peaked when the Heartland billboard campaign revealed that the talent had moved on. AGW was only ever a skirmish; the real battle has been joined and it's between renewables and the old order. It's not being fought with AGW denial, it's being fought over economics and strategic national interest. The tactic now is not to mention climate change at all, any more than a tobacco company wants to mention lung cancer. Just don't go there.

Nobody who wants to be taken seriously wants to associate with AGW denial these days, and a company which wants to frack under your house without telling you is in great need of being taken seriously. They're in great need of not running oilrigs aground in the Arctic as well, but that's neither here nor there. PR can proactively distance the company from Monckton and Watts, to the extent that old white entitled males in good suits are able to get the point.

AGW denial is already a fringe in the Anglophone world, which is it's heartland. We're now at the point where everybody else is starting to notice that, and it's the cascade moment.

In the UK we've had flooding in the last decade that nobody's being persuaded is normal, and trotting out "Lord" Lawson (is anything uglier than a thin man in a fat man's skin?) to say otherwise is not helping the denier case. We have an extended general election in progress, and AGW is not a Tory strength by any means. That'll keep it in the public eye.

The Californian drought is going to be a popular news-filler in the US this summer, and AGW is bound to come up. If an El Nino saves the day in autumn it'll bring it's own telegenic problems with it, so there's no relief for deniers there.

In Australia the abject ineptitude of the Abbott government will tar AGW denial with the same brush whatever the weather does. If an El Nino does occur things are likely to get really wild, especially in Queensland. Which will sort out sea-level rise for a year or two, which is a relief.

I don't see any bright horizons for AGW deniers, and I've an active imagination. We're at the point where political argument becomes about what you'll do about AGW and when, not whether anything should be done at all.

Indeed! I was tempted to rollout my drum pads and play you some accompaniment. el Nino in a Mid-term election, but why would God be punishing GOP congressmen for sins of the ga..., oh,...I get it! Always with the Irony, that One, He is!
 
What's happened to all us warmists? We seem so relaxed. It's as if we know something they don't ...

I sense a window closing so I'll get this in now : the AGW denial project is about to hit the precipitous decline phase that all cults arrive at. I called it as peaked when the Heartland billboard campaign revealed that

Unfortunately, I don't share your optimism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/evolution-survey_n_4519441.html

In this case, those who don't "believe" also happen think they have a monetary interest in not believing, a very powerful motivator.
 
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