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Thanks for that advice Biscuit. Pretty easy to get me to part with cash these days, but the reporter is covering my moves, so I believe the charlatans will give me a wide berth. Thankfully no, the group don't charge for their services. I know folk prey on the desperate but I have to say, if I get out this alive, it's a bonus I'm not expecting. I'd take my chances that this isn't happening if it wasn't for the seriousness, and the evidence of the seriousness..
 
I am curious what your proposed methodology is for this fridays performance? What controls will you introduce to eliminate mundane explanations like pariedolia?
 
Pixel42 said:
I'm referring to the recordings which you have shared which you claimed contained spirit voices but which actually contained absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

You've claimed to have heard the spirits say all sorts of things, but you have offered nothing in support of those claims except example after example of straightforward pareidolia.
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You may think there is nothing unusual that my Father's voice is coming through this PC, and a PC in Notts (et' al) Robin told me he'd uploaded one where a voice was clearly heard *You think your breath is complicated" That's my Father, no imagination, no set up, that's for real. I don't actually blame you for not believing all this, its gets more crazy as it unfolds, and it is still unfolding, leaving stacks of new evidence behind.
 
flaccon said:
Thanks for that advice Biscuit. Pretty easy to get me to part with cash these days, but the reporter is covering my moves, so I believe the charlatans will give me a wide berth. Thankfully no, the group don't charge for their services. I know folk prey on the desperate but I have to say, if I get out this alive, it's a bonus I'm not expecting. I'd take my chances that this isn't happening if it wasn't for the seriousness, and the evidence of the seriousness..
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If your investigators conclude that nothing paranormal is occurring what will your next step be?
 
flaccon said:
You may think there is nothing unusual that my Father's voice is coming through this PC, and a PC in Notts (et' al) Robin told me he'd uploaded one where a voice was clearly heard *You think your breath is complicated" That's my Father, no imagination, no set up, that's for real. I don't actually blame you for not believing all this, its gets more crazy as it unfolds, and it is still unfolding, leaving stacks of new evidence behind.
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One thing you must make certain of is that you do not tell the investigators what it is you hear on a given track before you play it. They must hear the track and write down what they hear without you influencing them with your interpretation. Your version should be written down and sealed before they listen.
 
Biscuit said:
I am curious what your proposed methodology is for this fridays performance? What controls will you introduce to eliminate mundane explanations like pariedolia?
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I've no idea regarding any performance. I've demonstrated their ability to speak clear. Played them a few date-stamped messages pre the events. Family members were interviewed by the press. If actual recognisable voices are not enough, and the art work containing images of family members is not enough, and their latest diamond breaking trick isn't enough, I'd like to understand why all this ability just isn't enough. I'd also like to know what is enough?
 
flaccon said:
I've no idea regarding any performance. I've demonstrated their ability to speak clear. Played them a few date-stamped messages pre the events. Family members were interviewed by the press.
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No. You have simply posted some new baseless claims that anonymous, unknown groups support you, that anonymous unknown PIs are on the case and that anonymous, unknown reporters for anonymous, unknown papers will be reporting at some future unknown date. Why should anyone give this any credence?


flaccon said:
If actual recognisable voices are not enough, and the art work containing images of family members is not enough, and their latest diamond breaking trick isn't enough, I'd like to understand why all this ability just isn't enough. I'd also like to know what is enough?
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You have provided none of your claimed evidence, not in this thread, not when Alderbank took the trouble to visit you. None.
 
flaccon said:
I've no idea regarding any performance. I've demonstrated their ability to speak clear. Played them a few date-stamped messages pre the events. Family members were interviewed by the press. If actual recognisable voices are not enough, and the art work containing images of family members is not enough, and their latest diamond breaking trick isn't enough, I'd like to understand why all this ability just isn't enough. I'd also like to know what is enough?
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Flaccon, can you explain why no one on this forum has heard the clear voices speaking in meaningful sentences that you claim?

IXP
 
Pixel42 said:
Garrette does not believe in spirits, flaccon.
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True.

Pixel42 said:
He's claiming to be a paranormal investigator in order to demonstrate how easy it is to claim to be a paranormal investigator.
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No. I claim to be a PI because I used to do it, in a sense, though not in the way of today's ghost hunting shows.
 
Biscuit said:
One thing you must make certain of is that you do not tell the investigators what it is you hear on a given track before you play it. They must hear the track and write down what they hear without you influencing them with your interpretation. Your version should be written down and sealed before they listen.
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Biscuit I doubt this investigation requires this sort of testing. They are aware that this is a signal more than a haunting of these spirits. I doubt equipment is necessary, a few crosses and a bible yes. The initial interview with this team. and the spirits performed immediately. I wasn't in the room so missed it. Sunday with ASKE should be on these lines though. Of course I'll be picking out the easy ones to hear, and through this PC (without transferences) it's easier still. I've also got a random youtube clip that calls one the guys names out in a full sentence regarding the competition.
 
IXP said:
Flaccon, can you explain why no one on this forum has heard the clear voices speaking in meaningful sentences that you claim?

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I can't really say that. Rob released a recording with a clear enough voice on it, heard and guessed at. I can understand why any recordings from this PC can't be heard, transference/different arrangement of wires are distorting both sound and volume.
 
flaccon said:
Biscuit I doubt this investigation requires this sort of testing. They are aware that this is a signal more than a haunting of these spirits. I doubt equipment is necessary, a few crosses and a bible yes. The initial interview with this team. and the spirits performed immediately. I wasn't in the room so missed it. Sunday with ASKE should be on these lines though. Of course I'll be picking out the easy ones to hear, and through this PC (without transferences) it's easier still. I've also got a random youtube clip that calls one the guys names out in a full sentence regarding the competition.
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I will challenge you on this. You have failed to present any evidence here, you have failed to present any evidence that your supportive groups exist, you have failed to present any evidence that there is any investigator, you have failed to present any evidence that there is any newspaper, you have failed to present anything.

Why should anyone give any credence to your claims?
 
flaccon said:
I can't really say that. Rob released a recording with a clear enough voice on it, heard and guessed at. I can understand why any recordings from this PC can't be heard, transference/different arrangement of wires are distorting both sound and volume.
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Nope. Listen carefully. As a professional in the field, I can state this is utter rubbish. Really, it just isn't happening, is not possible, is completely disproven by the MD5 exercise performed on this very thread.
 
abaddon said:
No. You have simply posted some new baseless claims that anonymous, unknown groups support you, that anonymous unknown PIs are on the case and that anonymous, unknown reporters for anonymous, unknown papers will be reporting at some future unknown date. Why should anyone give this any credence?


You have provided none of your claimed evidence, not in this thread, not when Alderbank took the trouble to visit you. None.
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Whilst I appreciate the time the gent took to come here, I cannot appreciate his evaluation, it contained nothing I recognised, and even when I prompted him to mention the "voices" he'd heard, he confessed he didn't mention the voices because he couldn't see what was paranormal about "voices" One of those voices is my late Father. One voice didn't count as a voice because it was chipmonk-like, it was still clear. One voice that was a normal voice, also wasn't a voice because if he came back here and said these were indeed voices, he'd be ridiculed too. All that gets overlooked. Jfisher describing his recording as "constant" noise all the way through *a whirring fan and rain" I listened to it and yes, he'd described it accurate. When I played it through this PC there were differences, interference, complete silences even. As far as I know, the original altered in the same way. Whatever I have tried to provide, is hand waved, overlooked, medically evaluated or scoffed at.
 
abaddon said:
Nope. Listen carefully. As a professional in the field, I can state this is utter rubbish. Really, it just isn't happening, is not possible, is completely disproven by the MD5 exercise performed on this very thread.
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It is a voice, it comes from a PC in Notts. That same voice can be identified on many other PC's now. It is happening, but I wish a lot of it wasn't.
 
flaccon said:
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And therein lies the problem. They're only experts if they accept the existence of entities that there's no proof of.
You're looking for confirmation, not investigation, Flaccon.
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A years evidence piled up, including messages date-stamped pre certain events. I'm looking for help to deal with it. Sadly I'm having to seek confirmation/ investigation to find the real help.
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You say that as if investigation is necessarily confirmation. It's not; investigation of evidence that doesn't also include the possibility for contradiction of a conclusion from it isn't investigation at all, it's just agreement. Hiring "paranormal investigators" to look at evidence for the paranormal is a little like hiring a birther (say, Orly Taitz) to "investigate" the Obama birth certificate and expecting an unbiased conclusion about it; affirmation of their (and your) own bias is all you're likely to get.
 
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flaccon said:
You may think there is nothing unusual that my Father's voice is coming through this PC
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I think that would be extraordinary indeed, if it were ever to happen. What I don't think is extraordinary is you imagining you can hear your late father's voice in random noise.

I don't actually blame you for not believing all this, its gets more crazy as it unfolds, and it is still unfolding, leaving stacks of new evidence behind.
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And yet you remain unable to present any such evidence.
 
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