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Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Kaosium said:
As it nears 'the witching hour' in Italy on the (supposed) day of this verdict,
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You're 3 hours out. Your post is timestamped (unlike DNA) 1:49am in the UK, which is 2:49am in Italy.
here's an interesting quote Methos dug up elsewhere:



Forza Amanda and Raffaele.
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Great and piercing quote from Amanda, to be shown to everyone who gloats over dodgy prosecutions.
 
Antony said:
You're 3 hours out. Your post is timestamped (unlike DNA) 1:49am in the UK, which is 2:49am in Italy.
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I guess I was just going off something I saw in a movie once about the 'witching hour' being 3 AM.

Great and piercing quote from Amanda, to be shown to everyone who gloats over dodgy prosecutions.
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I agree it's a great quote. She may well have a future as a writer.
 
Mary_H said:
Direct streaming of Italian news: http://video.sky.it/news/diretta

Also: Raffaele is in court.
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Is that good or bad? I thought I read he would await the verdict at home as he didn't want the psychological stress?

On one level that might be a good sign, he has word that it will be good news. On the other they may have forced him into court, following the prosecutions demand that he be restrained or whatever it was.
 
Kaosium said:
Is that good or bad? I thought I read he would await the verdict at home as he didn't want the psychological stress?

On one level that might be a good sign, he has word that it will be good news. On the other they may have forced him into court, following the prosecutions demand that he be restrained or whatever it was.
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Originally it was reported he would hear the news from home. Some people have speculated that he somehow received word of good news. I don't see how they could force him to attend. He was down on the Mediterranean coast; all he had to do was get in a boat.

ETA: Barbie's tweets: https://twitter.com/BLNadeau
 
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Mary_H said:
Originally it was reported he would hear the news from home. Some people have speculated that he somehow received word of good news. I don't see how they could force him to attend. He was down on the Mediterranean coast; all he had to do was get in a boat.

ETA: Barbie's tweets: https://twitter.com/BLNadeau
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Regarding being forced, it was reported at the end of the prosecution's last appearance that they asked he be 'restrained' or somesuch, in other words perhaps taken into custody. They may have just confiscated his passport, I dunno. What I was wondering was whether he was herded into court by a thug holding him like they did before the acquittal?

ETA: From Barbie's feed:

#sollecito in court by his dad who said they are all nervous for verdict over drinks with journalists at hotel bar last night.

#amandaknox lawyer CDV says they are serene going into verdict because they believe in her innocence



Well, that's not being herded, but not particularly encouraging either. CDV being 'serene because they have faith in her innocence' isn't very helpful either.

The 'Serenity Prayer:'

"God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference. "


In other words: Bend over and let Italy take over!

:p
 
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RWVBWL said:
Thanks for the link Mary H,
CDV is goin' off!
Good to see some apparent anger in his presentation and great to see the Judges+Jurors paying attention, not sleeping or using their cell phones like during the Massei Court Trial...
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On the other hand, serenity is better than anger, that wouldn't seem to bode well for Amanda and Raffaele...

ETA: Barbie's latest tweet:

#amandaknox says you can't put two innocent people in jail to cover up mistakes of judicial system.



Uh....Oh....
 
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Tiny Klout Flag49Alex Caban @produceralex 34m
JUST IN: @CNNNewsource now says no verdict expected in Amanda Knox retrial until after 11am eastern time.

This reporter is posting pictures from the courtroom: https://twitter.com/guiruo

Barbie Latza Nadeau ‏@BLNadeau 5m
Judge in #amandaknox new appeal says decision will not come before 5pm.

That is 6.5 hours from now (1:20 PST).
 
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Mary_H said:
Tiny Klout Flag49Alex Caban @produceralex 34m
JUST IN: @CNNNewsource now says no verdict expected in Amanda Knox retrial until after 11am eastern time.
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Oh what's that in real money?

I find it odd that submissions are still being made on the day the sentence verdict is to be pronounced. Does that mean that, as of this morning, all outcomes are possible but that during the course of the day the tribunal will retire to consider and, in the course of the day, actually decide its verdict?
 
Gosh, this brings me back to a different time in my life,
running the old DogTown surfshop, I watched the original verdict live back in Dec. 2009 in the afternoon.
I could not believe that Judge Massei convicted Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox for particpating in Meredith Kercher's horrible murder.

Anyways,
I just found out that Amanda has written a personal letter to Meredith's sister Stephanie,
here's some info from Tizanio at PMF.org:


Link:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/14_...ia-aa271b24-8971-11e3-be5b-d457abaa7165.shtml

A few extracts from this Corriere della sera article:
30th January, 2014.
Amanda Knox writes a letter to the Kercher family.

Roberto Costantini interviews Stephanie by phone:

"Amanda wrote you a letter, before the verdict, to be delivered to you if one day you should want it.

"I had no idea what reaction Stephanie Kercher would have had when I gave her this news during the interview a very few days ago. Whatever the reaction, even walking out of the interview, it would have been legitimate. Instead this extraordinarily strong and balanced girl stopped to think about it, as she did for very other question. And then, calmly, she replied: 'I should have to think about that, I don't know, but today I would not want to read it, because I don't feel the need to speak to her.' The word 'today', instead of 'never', is an act of great generosity and reasonableness. I believe that it will not depend so much on the verdict, but on the future behaviour of Amanda in the months, in the years ahead."

And further words from Stephanie:
"The verdict is an occasion to honour the memory of Meredith, not an instance of winning or of the truth. We would like the trial and the gossip around it to finish today so as to be able to concentrate on our suffering and on Meredith's memory. No matter what, nobody will give us back my sister and our life is finished."

On the trial progress:
"We have had to resist with Italian justice system which is so different for us as to be incomprehensible."

And further:
"Because of a lack of knowledge about your system in America and in Great Britain, many think that the Kercher family wants to carry forward this judgement against the two accused for ever. Instead, we would like everything to finish as soon as possible."

Asked whether she would see a guilty verdict as certain guilt:
"The doubts will always be the same. In some way in my heart doubts will remain, it's obvious, but we can only accept what the judges tell us and no matter what respect Italian Justice."

Asked whether she expected Italians to contribute to the Kercher Foundation:
"This could have happened anywhere, Italians are not to blame and they owe us nothing. We will do all we can to honour Merdith's memory with what we have."

And finally about Knox:
"Guilty or innocent, she should be certain that her family is the first to believe her, then we Kerchers and only then everyone else … yet in these years I have often seen in newspapers and on TV, that it is as if (the rest of) the world counted more for her then we do."
 
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anglolawyer said:
Oh what's that in real money?

I find it odd that submissions are still being made on the day the sentence verdict is to be pronounced. Does that mean that, as of this morning, all outcomes are possible but that during the course of the day the tribunal will retire to consider and, in the course of the day, actually decide its verdict?
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I think that is what happened in the first appeal.
 
Dan O. said:
Have you seen these boys?
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Not sure if this is supposed to be one of those rhetorical questions, but I am pretty certain the short guy with the glasses is the flashlight guy. You know, the one that hung around the mat in Meredith's bedroom, the one that found the clasp when Stefanoni was distracted and looking away, the one who made a big show of examining it with his flashlight. That guy.
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RWVBWL said:
Gosh, this brings me back to a different time in my life,
running the old DogTown surfshop, I watched the original verdict live back in Dec. 2009 in the afternoon.

Anyways,
I just found out that Amanda Knox has wrote a personal letter to Meredith's sister Stephanie,
here's some info from Tizanio at PMF.org:

A few extracts from this Corriere della sera article:
30th January, 2014.
Amanda Knox writes a letter to the Kercher family.

<snip>"The word 'today', instead of 'never', is an act of great generosity and reasonableness. I believe that it will not depend so much on the verdict, but on the future behaviour of Amanda in the months, in the years ahead."
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That's.....infuriating.

And further words from Stephanie:
"The verdict is an occasion to honour the memory of Meredith, not an instance of winning or of the truth. We would like the trial and the gossip around it to finish today so as to be able to concentrate on our suffering and on Meredith's memory. No matter what, nobody will give us back my sister and our life is finished."
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Wrong.

On the trial progress:
"We have had to resist with Italian justice system which is so different for us as to be incomprehensible."
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There's a reason for that.

And further:
"Because of a lack of knowledge about your system in America and in Great Britain, many think that the Kercher family wants to carry forward this judgement against the two accused for ever. Instead, we would like everything to finish as soon as possible."
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Then tell your lawyer to stop appealing acquittals.

<snip>And finally about Knox:
"Guilty or innocent, she should be certain that her family is the first to believe her, then we Kerchers and only then everyone else … yet in these years I have often seen in newspapers and on TV, that it is as if (the rest of) the world counted more for her then we do."
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Well, yeah.....
 
anglolawyer said:
:confused: It isn't? I think the defendants might demur.
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I think that might just mean the 'whole truth' to her, the ugly gory details. I cannot blame her for that and the permutations of another interpretation are very unworthy and not at all in keeping with the rest of the piece.
 
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