Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Dan O.]

Here is my timeline fro Rudy Guede's travels:

• Nov. 2, 2007
  02:00-04:00 Witnesses reported seeing him dancing at a local disco. (source?)
  SZ, Kuwaiti student dee-jay, did not recall having seen Rudy at "Domus" on the evening of November 2. (Micheli)
• Nov. 3, 2007
  (early morning hours) "Pietro Camplongo said Guede was dancing alone, and that people were keeping their distance from him, because he smelled "as if he hadn't washed. Pietro Camplongo said Guede was dancing alone, and that people were keeping their distance from him, because he smelled "as if he hadn't washed." [6] [7] (it)
  The night between 2 and 3 November, Rudy is seen at the "Domus" till around 04:00 (Micheli)
• Nov 10, 2007
  Forth suspect named (UPI)
  Police suspected the involvement of a fourth person after bloody fingerprints found on a pillow did not match Kercher or the three current suspects, The Telegraph reported Saturday.
  A security camera near Kercher's flat identified the fourth suspect as a Congolese known only as "Usi" retreating from Kercher's flat shortly after the incident allegedly occurred.
• Nov 11, 2007
  No search for fourth suspect (Komo News)
  Police are not on the hunt for a fourth suspect on the case as had been previously reported, the Times reported on Sunday.
  Italian media reported on Saturday police were looking for the fourth suspect after finding a set of fingerprints in Kercher's that does not belong to any of the three detained suspects.
  But two police sources told the Times the fourth person, a North African man man who was hurriedly washing clothes at a nearby laundromat in the hours after the murder, is being sought in connection with another case.
  One source of the investigating team told the Times the only mark found in Kercher's blood was a footprint believed to be that of Sollecito.
  DNA of forth suspect found (News24)
  An Italian newspaper reported that forensic traces found in Kercher's flat suggested that a fourth person could have been involved in the killing. La Republica said police discovered DNA in the flat's bathroom that did not match any of the three suspects.
• Nov 12 or 13, 2007
  Rudy is spotted on instant messenger by friend MG (Micheli)
• Nov 13, 2007
  Rudy seeks asylum at the foreign office in Düsseldorf under the false name of Kevin Wade. (Quoridiano)
• Nov 16, 2007
  Rudy is identified from a palm print left on the pillow under Meredith (Micheil)
• Nov 18, 2007
  Police interview Rudy's friend MG who is son of Rudy's primary school teacher (Micheil)
• Nov 19, 2007
  Rudy is named?
  16:57 Skype chat with Giacomo Benedetti.
  ~18:30 Rudy's skype call recorded at Perugia police HQ
  Rudy sends email to Telegraph saying he will give himself up [8]
• Nov 20, 2007
  European arrest warrant on Rudy is issued
  Rudy is captured [9]

 

[RandyN]

Bolint's theory is that Knox finds out at nearly the last minute that she doesn't need to go to work so she goes to her apartment instead to cooperate in a murder with somebody for whom there is no significant evidence of any kind of significant acquaintance?

Or is Bolint's theory that Knox finds out at nearly the last minute that she doesn't need to go to work and she goes to her apartment where a murder (that she doesn't cooperate in) ensues by a man with whom there is no evidence of significant acquaintance and she makes the decision to not call the police and not to name the man when she talks to the police? And the murderer is so sure of Knox's loyalty that he decides to stick around town because he knows Knox won't tell the police about him?

And with either of these scenarios, after the murder Knox goes back to her boyfrend's place that she's been with for a week or so and gets him to cooperate in a conspiracy to protect a murderer by lying steadfastly about the alibi that results in his incarceration for years?

Yes this pretty much captures the whole case against Knox.

You only left out the part where Knox is Guede's whore for drugs... so she did know him... it is just that there is no proof of this or even evidence of any kind. But Yummi/Mach says its true so....oh and she did have a drug dealers number on her phone...also no proof or evidence...but why would Yummi/Mach lie about this if he cant back it up with the actual evidence?

Yummi?

 

[RandyN]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not a groupie of Amanda Knox. I am however a fan of justice. Like justice for Ryan Ferguson, David Camm, the West Memphis 3 and the Central Park 5 to name just a few.

The great think about JREF, is the quality of the arguments for the most part. Occasionally a troll lobs a bomb into the mix without actually offering anything to the discussion.

You know, someone like you Platonov. Instead of discussing the evidence or more correctly, the lack of evidence, you call those that support Amanda Knox's fight against a wrongful prosecution "groupies".

Frankly, I think the weakness of your argument and your ad hominem attacks say more about you than it does about us.

What say you? Care to hang around and actually post an intelligent theory based on the evidence?

Or do you know that it won't hold up to the scrutiny?

My guess, is that you will run. Prove me wrong.

LOL...well don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to your well reasoned challenge. Do a search of Platonov posts to this thread and you will only find troll like posts. No discussion of facts or time lines proving guilt nor corrupt acts of police and prosecutor ever enters that posters comments.

S(he) will never argue the case or present a time line proving guilt because like all guilters or even every prosecutor so far....they understand perfectly well that that would be an impossible task and that intelligent knowledgeable people who understand the facts of the case would rip them to shreds and then they would have to leave completely...as most of the PGP have finally realized and is the reason they are gone. And so they retreat to the echo chambers of Piggy and Pervert and God's site...PMF, TJMK and the PMF Michael stole from Piggy...sigh

 

[Bill Williams]

LOL...well don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to your well reasoned challenge. Do a search of Platonov posts to this thread and you will only find troll like posts. No discussion of facts or time lines proving guilt nor corrupt acts of police and prosecutor ever enters that posters comments.

S(he) will never argue the case or present a time line proving guilt because like all guilters or even every prosecutor so far....they understand perfectly well that that would be an impossible task and that intelligent knowledgeable people who understand the facts of the case would rip them to shreds and then they would have to leave completely...as most of the PGP have finally realized and is the reason they are gone. And so they retreat to the echo chambers of Piggy and Pervert and God's site...PMF, TJMK and the PMF Michael stole from Piggy...sigh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POOo95DSFJI&feature=youtu.be

 

[Mary_H]

Platonov! How the hell are you? Still routing for the bad guys I see.

<snip>At any rate, nice to see you posting again, Platonov.

LOL...well don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to your well reasoned challenge. Do a search of Platonov posts to this thread and you will only find troll like posts. No discussion of facts or time lines proving guilt nor corrupt acts of police and prosecutor ever enters that posters comments.<snip>

Hey, at least he speaks English now. And he has cut way, way back on the emoticons, colors and variable font sizes.

 

[Samson]

Hey, at least he speaks English now. And he has cut way, way back on the emoticons, colors and variable font sizes.

Mary H I really hope you serious and logical supporters are understood by this process.

 

[RoseMontague]

Here is my timeline fro Rudy Guede's travels:

• Nov. 2, 2007
  02:00-04:00 Witnesses reported seeing him dancing at a local disco. (source?)
  SZ, Kuwaiti student dee-jay, did not recall having seen Rudy at "Domus" on the evening of November 2. (Micheli)
• Nov. 3, 2007
  (early morning hours) "Pietro Camplongo said Guede was dancing alone, and that people were keeping their distance from him, because he smelled "as if he hadn't washed. Pietro Camplongo said Guede was dancing alone, and that people were keeping their distance from him, because he smelled "as if he hadn't washed." [6] [7] (it)
  The night between 2 and 3 November, Rudy is seen at the "Domus" till around 04:00 (Micheli)
• Nov 10, 2007
  Forth suspect named (UPI)
  Police suspected the involvement of a fourth person after bloody fingerprints found on a pillow did not match Kercher or the three current suspects, The Telegraph reported Saturday.
  A security camera near Kercher's flat identified the fourth suspect as a Congolese known only as "Usi" retreating from Kercher's flat shortly after the incident allegedly occurred.
• Nov 11, 2007
  No search for fourth suspect (Komo News)
  Police are not on the hunt for a fourth suspect on the case as had been previously reported, the Times reported on Sunday.
  Italian media reported on Saturday police were looking for the fourth suspect after finding a set of fingerprints in Kercher's that does not belong to any of the three detained suspects.
  But two police sources told the Times the fourth person, a North African man man who was hurriedly washing clothes at a nearby laundromat in the hours after the murder, is being sought in connection with another case.
  One source of the investigating team told the Times the only mark found in Kercher's blood was a footprint believed to be that of Sollecito.
  DNA of forth suspect found (News24)
  An Italian newspaper reported that forensic traces found in Kercher's flat suggested that a fourth person could have been involved in the killing. La Republica said police discovered DNA in the flat's bathroom that did not match any of the three suspects.
• Nov 12 or 13, 2007
  Rudy is spotted on instant messenger by friend MG (Micheli)
• Nov 13, 2007
  Rudy seeks asylum at the foreign office in Düsseldorf under the false name of Kevin Wade. (Quoridiano)
• Nov 16, 2007
  Rudy is identified from a palm print left on the pillow under Meredith (Micheil)
• Nov 18, 2007
  Police interview Rudy's friend MG who is son of Rudy's primary school teacher (Micheil)
• Nov 19, 2007
  Rudy is named?
  16:57 Skype chat with Giacomo Benedetti.
  ~18:30 Rudy's skype call recorded at Perugia police HQ
  Rudy sends email to Telegraph saying he will give himself up [8]
• Nov 20, 2007
  European arrest warrant on Rudy is issued
  Rudy is captured [9]

Thanks, Dan O. I still think it is important to point out that suspicion that Rudy was involved before his palm print on the pillow was identified is proven by the fingerprint expert's testimony.

(Human translation)

ANSWER: Obvious in what sense [meaning]? On a technical plane it was obvious and it was enough to make a print [dattilodìscopico] confrontation, as the technicians will say, they have found the points more than sufficient under a juridical point of view to establish [ritenere literally is more like reckon, but the sense here is more affirmative] the identity between this palmprint in blood on the pillow and the palmprint in Rudy Guede's file [literally "card"].
Indeed, I want to be more precise, let's say that the confrontation is made by suspect, it's not that we identified [meaning "found"] him through the print. Among the various suspects, now I don't remember on what basis [he was a suspect], the Flying [Squad] was pointing also at Rudy Guede, taking his card [i.e. they took the card with his sample palmprint from his file] there was a confrontation between the palmprint in ink on its photodactilosocopic [correct in English?] card and this print in blood and the identity has been established as certain exactly under the aspect of the [matching] points, at least, surely more than 15.

To me, the question then becomes, why did they previously suspect Rudy and when did they suspect him? Was it because some thought the break in was not staged?

 

[RoseMontague]

I would be interested in the biggest "mistakes" made on McCall's fake wiki.

If people here wanted to perhaps have a small impact on the media coverage, giving three to five of the most egregious fabrications and the truth would be the best way to undercut the crazed PR campaign the PGP are attempting to run.

Apparently a French TV channel has produced another Amanda shows and they were controlled by Marriott. Can you believe it?

As far as Bolint is concerned, until Bolint can see that the interrogation was controlled by the police no discussion will move Bolint from the involvementer status. Where is Cuki?

To me the biggest are the claims that Curatolo and Nara said something they did not say pointing to an earlier TOD. We already talked about Curatolo and on the pro-guilt wiki they claim Nara said she heard the scream 10:30-11PM.

The scissors claim is also pretty hilarious when you compare it to V's testimony, and of course that picture of the knife prop used by the prosecution in court that the pro-guilt wiki claims actually belongs to RS and hung over his bed. That is one I showed previously here as well that is completely false.

 

[Strozzi]

Do you feel the collection of the forensic evidence is one of the most suspect aspect of this case due to the following :-

* The forensic evidence was collected after the arrests of Amanda and Raffaele. Normal procedure is to analyse forensic evidence and arrest a suspect if the evidence matches someone.

* The knife was picked at random from Raffaele's apartment and the only knife taken just happens to be the one used in the murder. No other knives are taken from Raffaele's apartment, Rudy's apartment or the cottage for testing.

* The bra clasp conveniently turns up when it is proved footprints in Meredith's room don't match Raffaele's shoes.

* The bra clasp is not collected and the luminol tests are not done until six weeks after the murder.

* When the luminol tests are done, the footprints of Laura and Filomena are not taken for comparison.

Yes, I agree the collection of forensic evidence due to the above is very troubling and is one of the most suspect aspects of this case.

Other aspects that are also very troubling are the failure to produce recordings of the long nighttime interrogations of the suspects, the failure to do a serious forensic examination to determine if the break-in is real, the refusal of Dr. Stefanoni to produce the egrams of her lab work, and the police tape recording of phone conversations (39,000) of Sollecito family members. Also, the hiring of Dr. Stafanoni's supervisor Dr. Biondo on a lucrative paid contract to evaluate the partial footprint on the bath mat, and then have him testify as if he had no conflice of interest that everything Dr. Stefanoni did was correct and proper. Also the use of an interpreter to influence Amanda's memory against what she actually remembered. Not to mention the assault on Amanda and threated assault on Raffaele. I could go on and on but there aren't enough hours in my day, todoy, to do so.

 

[Strozzi]

That she spent almost two hours there just to have a shower and drying her hair.
That she did not look into Filomena's room.
The bathmat boogie,
That she called her mother shortly after noon, of which there is no trace in the phone records.
etc ...

Bolint, would you please provide a closer estimate of how much time Amanda was at her house when she showered and dried her hair? I am trying to understand the time involved. Maybe you, I, and others can piece it together accurately. Certainly the times of phone calls, which are of course known, will help us.

 

[acbytesla]

LOL...well don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to your well reasoned challenge. Do a search of Platonov posts to this thread and you will only find troll like posts. No discussion of facts or time lines proving guilt nor corrupt acts of police and prosecutor ever enters that posters comments.

S(he) will never argue the case or present a time line proving guilt because like all guilters or even every prosecutor so far....they understand perfectly well that that would be an impossible task and that intelligent knowledgeable people who understand the facts of the case would rip them to shreds and then they would have to leave completely...as most of the PGP have finally realized and is the reason they are gone. And so they retreat to the echo chambers of Piggy and Pervert and God's site...PMF, TJMK and the PMF Michael stole from Piggy...sigh

Thanks Randy, I hadn't actually planned on holding my breath, I understand all too well that the guilter theories actually CAN'T fit the evidence and NEVER offer a motive that isn't laughable. This is why they never rise to the challenge. I also asked bolint if her theory which had no evidence supporting it justified a conviction and thirty years in jail. And he/she while addressing all my other questions never addressed that one.

Why do you think that is Randy? Could it be that he/she is embarrassed and knows that the evidence doesn't rise to
beyond a reasonable doubt, but is worried more about saving face because she knows that her argument is weak?

If the prosecutors in this case can't actually do offer a credible theory or motive, there really is little chance that the posters on JREF will be able to do it.

The prosecutors have all but dropped the ear witnesses that provided their 11:30 Time of Death. Which makes both Nara and Curatolo worthless.

I know the thought on the forum is pessimism. But it isn't based on the evidence. The RIS in combination with Conti and Vechiotti have made that essentially worthless as well. Our pessimism is based on the ISC's decision and the fact that the prosecution has had three lawyers making claim after unsubstantiated claim and we are worried that the jury will take heed of this nonsense.

I'm not going to make a prediction. Especially after the moronic decision of the ISC, I threw logic out the window. But if this jury bases their decision on the evidence of the crime, they simply can't do it credibly.

 

[Diocletus]

Here is my timeline fro Rudy Guede's travels:

• Nov. 2, 2007
  02:00-04:00 Witnesses reported seeing him dancing at a local disco. (source?)
  SZ, Kuwaiti student dee-jay, did not recall having seen Rudy at "Domus" on the evening of November 2. (Micheli)
• Nov. 3, 2007
  (early morning hours) "Pietro Camplongo said Guede was dancing alone, and that people were keeping their distance from him, because he smelled "as if he hadn't washed. Pietro Camplongo said Guede was dancing alone, and that people were keeping their distance from him, because he smelled "as if he hadn't washed." [6] [7] (it)
  The night between 2 and 3 November, Rudy is seen at the "Domus" till around 04:00 (Micheli)
• Nov 10, 2007
  Forth suspect named (UPI)
  Police suspected the involvement of a fourth person after bloody fingerprints found on a pillow did not match Kercher or the three current suspects, The Telegraph reported Saturday.
  A security camera near Kercher's flat identified the fourth suspect as a Congolese known only as "Usi" retreating from Kercher's flat shortly after the incident allegedly occurred.
• Nov 11, 2007
  No search for fourth suspect (Komo News)
  Police are not on the hunt for a fourth suspect on the case as had been previously reported, the Times reported on Sunday.
  Italian media reported on Saturday police were looking for the fourth suspect after finding a set of fingerprints in Kercher's that does not belong to any of the three detained suspects.
  But two police sources told the Times the fourth person, a North African man man who was hurriedly washing clothes at a nearby laundromat in the hours after the murder, is being sought in connection with another case.
  One source of the investigating team told the Times the only mark found in Kercher's blood was a footprint believed to be that of Sollecito.
  DNA of forth suspect found (News24)
  An Italian newspaper reported that forensic traces found in Kercher's flat suggested that a fourth person could have been involved in the killing. La Republica said police discovered DNA in the flat's bathroom that did not match any of the three suspects.
• Nov 12 or 13, 2007
  Rudy is spotted on instant messenger by friend MG (Micheli)
• Nov 13, 2007
  Rudy seeks asylum at the foreign office in Düsseldorf under the false name of Kevin Wade. (Quoridiano)
• Nov 16, 2007
  Rudy is identified from a palm print left on the pillow under Meredith (Micheil)
• Nov 18, 2007
  Police interview Rudy's friend MG who is son of Rudy's primary school teacher (Micheil)
• Nov 19, 2007
  Rudy is named?
  16:57 Skype chat with Giacomo Benedetti.
  ~18:30 Rudy's skype call recorded at Perugia police HQ
  Rudy sends email to Telegraph saying he will give himself up [8]
• Nov 20, 2007
  European arrest warrant on Rudy is issued
  Rudy is captured [9]

Dan--You don't have this:

Republicca 11/8:

And the first results of the findings of the forensic confirm the assumptions made by the prosecutor in Perugia for the murder of Meredith Kercher: "In the scene there were two of them and Raffaele Sollecito."

Meanwhile, investigators are trying to figure out if a fourth person has helped the kids to clean the house.

The test results that are mentioned are the first batch of DNA results, which includes Reps. 12 (vaginal swab) and 25 (toilet paper) showing both the STR profile and Y-haplotype of Rudy Guede, and thus excluding Sollecito and Lumumba as the rapist and bathroom-user. These profiles were run, probably on November 6, but almost certainly no later than the 7th.

 

[Grinder]

OK, I just looked at the post 3 posts up and see that Grinder thinks someone "looks like" a psych, based on her looks.

Are you aware of the PG fearless leader that initially looked at a picture of Amanda and Meredith and though being confused about which had been killed (she thought Amanda) decided that Amanda looked more like a killer. I didn't read all of this thread subject so if you were discussing PG so sorry to repeat.

In the case of the Idaho babe (go for it Mary ) we know that she was engaged in what I believe was pretty crazy behavior before going public to "protect" others.

Now, with all the information she provided, she looks like a psycho and then I remembered Caroline and her similar looks. Obviously the actress was just playing a psycho but it is equally obvious that a casting director picked someone that looked like a psycho to them.

Do you think first impressions are important?

 

[Dan O.]

Dan--You don't have this:

Republicca 11/8:



The test results that are mentioned are the first batch of DNA results, which includes Reps. 12 (vaginal swab) and 25 (toilet paper) showing both the STR profile and Y-haplotype of Rudy Guede, and thus excluding Sollecito and Lumumba as the rapist and bathroom-user. These profiles were run, probably on November 6, but almost certainly no later than the 7th.

I somehow missed that article. I copied the Google translation of every article indexed under Meredith Kercher (there are 2 from 11/8). Somehow that one got skipped. Have you got the link to the original article?

The times of the forensics tests are also important. Is there any better reference to exactly when the tests were run? Too bad their tech wasn't better at keeping records.

 

[Dan O.]

Now, with all the information she provided, she looks like a psycho and then I remembered Caroline and her similar looks. Obviously the actress was just playing a psycho but it is equally obvious that a casting director picked someone that looked like a psycho to them.

Do you think first impressions are important?

To quote Wednesday Adams: ”They look just like everybody else”. A.H.'s Frenzy is another good popular media reference for what they look like.

 

[Diocletus]

I somehow missed that article. I copied the Google translation of every article indexed under Meredith Kercher (there are 2 from 11/8). Somehow that one got skipped. Have you got the link to the original article?

The times of the forensics tests are also important. Is there any better reference to exactly when the tests were run? Too bad their tech wasn't better at keeping records.

The SAL shows the vaginal swab being extracted on 11/5 and the toilet paper was extracted on 11/6.

The Quantifcazione records show both the vaginal swab and the toilet paper being quantified on 11/6 (interestingly, vaginal swab via qPCR and toilet paper via Qubit F.).

No dates were produced for STR amplification and electrophoresis, however, if we are to believe in the "6-day" gap, then the STR amplification and electrophoresis of both samples was done on 11/6. The detention hearing was on 11/8, and these results evidently were not disclosed. The implications of that suppression for Lumumba and Sollecito would seem to be quite significant.

Don't have a handy link for the Republicca article, but a targeted search should find it pretty easily.

 

[anglolawyer]

The SAL shows the vaginal swab being extracted on 11/5 and the toilet paper was extracted on 11/6.

The Quantifcazione records show both the vaginal swab and the toilet paper being quantified on 11/6 (interestingly, vaginal swab via qPCR and toilet paper via Qubit F.).

No dates were produced for STR amplification and electrophoresis, however, if we are to believe in the "6-day" gap, then the STR amplification and electrophoresis of both samples was done on 11/6. The detention hearing was on 11/8, and these results evidently were not disclosed. The implications of that suppression for Lumumba and Sollecito would seem to be quite significant.

Don't have a handy link for the Republicca article, but a targeted search should find it pretty easily.

In connection with the 6 day gap and amplification dates, I think it pertinent to quote this:

P64 DEFENSE CHAMBERS. THE WIDOW - The SAL we have them several times requested, we do not have the date of the amplification, then this is a fact that we have repeatedly asked, today the Prosecutor informs us that there would be a period of time of six days.

 

[Diocletus]

In connection with the 6 day gap and amplification dates, I think it pertinent to quote this:

Good point. How ridiculous is it that the prosecution claims a "6 day" gap, but has not produced any records of the gap? They could say there was a 20-day gap, and there would be no way to refute.

My best guess, based on available information, is that the gap is as follows:

Day 1: Weds. 11/7 (day after the arrests)
Day 2: Thurs., 11/8 (Matteini hearing)
Day 3: Friday, 11/9 (Matteini decision)
Day 4: Saturday, 11/10 (Weekend)
Day 5: Sunday, 11/11 (Weekend)
Day 6: Monday, 11/12 (believe there was cataloguing/examination done this day, but no DNA extraction, quantification, amplification or electrophoresis)

There was definitely some testing done on 11/6 and 11/13.

Italian law has a requirement that defendants must be notified and provided the ability to attend for testing of this sort, so it appears that testing during this "gap" would actually have been illegal. This may also apply to the testing that was done on 11/6, since the arrests occurred in the early morning hours of 11/6, and therefore prior to the testing.

Interesting side note: the use of the Qubit corresponds to the arrests. They started using the Qubit on 11/6, as soon as they knew that the defendants had been arrested.

 

[JREF2010]

I know the thought on the forum is pessimism. But it isn't based on the evidence. The RIS in combination with Conti and Vechiotti have made that essentially worthless as well. Our pessimism is based on the ISC's decision and the fact that the prosecution has had three lawyers making claim after unsubstantiated claim and we are worried that the jury will take heed of this nonsense.

I'm not going to make a prediction. Especially after the moronic decision of the ISC, I threw logic out the window. But if this jury bases their decision on the evidence of the crime, they simply can't do it credibly.

Nencini refused to further investigate this case, that sounds like Massei to me. Nencini did the minimal as if "I have enough already" attitude.

If he would have asked Stefonani and C&V to present it would have shown more interest. But he didn't do this either. Similar to Massei not needing the knife retested or the handle removed.

For all we know Nencini is already writing his report with this murder happening over Rudy pooping and not cleaning it up, his "Judge Creative writing Fantasy scenarios" in full force....

I am stumped on wondering how much time these Judges have even spent on this case, probably 1/100th the time the posters here have. Even the PGP probably have more knowledge than these Judges on this case.

maybe Nencini will shock everyone and re-convict Patrick based off glimpsing Matteini's Report.(sarcasm)

 

[RoseMontague]

The SAL shows the vaginal swab being extracted on 11/5 and the toilet paper was extracted on 11/6.

The Quantifcazione records show both the vaginal swab and the toilet paper being quantified on 11/6 (interestingly, vaginal swab via qPCR and toilet paper via Qubit F.).

No dates were produced for STR amplification and electrophoresis, however, if we are to believe in the "6-day" gap, then the STR amplification and electrophoresis of both samples was done on 11/6. The detention hearing was on 11/8, and these results evidently were not disclosed. The implications of that suppression for Lumumba and Sollecito would seem to be quite significant.

Don't have a handy link for the Republicca article, but a targeted search should find it pretty easily.

I am told this very point was brought up in Raffaele's closing arguments on the DNA at the last hearing. The argument was that without knowing all the dates there is really no way to to tell if there is really a 6 day gap.