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It's best just to use his testimony where he said they made him sit in a room naked for hours.
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Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case
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It's best just to use his testimony where he said they made him sit in a room naked for hours.
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Amanda Knox - accused of killing Meredith Kercher - has been portrayed as a blameless girl led astray when she moved to Italy. But as this investigation reveals, she already had a dangerous appetite for drink, drugs and sex ...
The police officer on duty in his patrol car late one summer evening in Seattle was expecting a quiet shift.
There was nothing to suggest the night would bring anything out of the ordinary.
Then his car radio crackled into life. There was a disturbance at a house near the prestigious University of Washington.
He drove to an area called Greek Row, well known for fraternity parties among rich students letting off steam.
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The officer suspected "some kids" were just playing their music too loud, but what he found was no run-of-the-mill summer student party: he later told colleagues it was like a scene from Baghdad.
Gangs of students, high on drink and drugs, were hurling rocks into the road. Cars were swerving to avoid them. Debris littered the road. It was mayhem.
Fearing reprisals, neighbours who had called the police refused to give their names. The police officer called for back-up as the youths began throwing rocks at the windows of houses on the neat, tree-lined streets.
Eventually, after reinforcements had arrived, the students calmed down. Police made only one arrest: the person they held responsible for the party and the disorder.
Her name? Amanda Knox, or, as she prefers to be known, Foxy Knoxy.
The police officer on duty in his patrol car late one summer evening in Seattle was expecting a quiet shift.
There was nothing to suggest the night would bring anything out of the ordinary.
Then his car radio crackled into life. There was a disturbance at a house near the prestigious University of Washington.
He drove to an area called Greek Row, well known for fraternity parties among rich students letting off steam.
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The officer suspected "some kids" were just playing their music too loud, but what he found was no run-of-the-mill summer student party: he later told colleagues it was like a scene from Baghdad.
Gangs of students, high on drink and drugs, were hurling rocks into the road. Cars were swerving to avoid them. Debris littered the road. It was mayhem.
Fearing reprisals, neighbours who had called the police refused to give their names. The police officer called for back-up as the youths began throwing rocks at the windows of houses on the neat, tree-lined streets.
Eventually, after reinforcements had arrived, the students calmed down. Police made only one arrest: the person they held responsible for the party and the disorder.
Her name? Amanda Knox, or, as she prefers to be known, Foxy Knoxy.
What the police report actually said -
[*]Here is the text of the narrative, written by Seattle police officer Jason Bender:
[*]In the city of Seattle
[*]I was on uniformed patrol in the marked unit as 3U5. At approximately 0028 hours, I responded to the report of a loud party in the listed location. The complainant relayed to dispatch that participants from the party were throwing rocks at his house and at passing cars. The complainant requested officer not contact him. Upon arrival, I noted loud amplified music coming from the listed address. The music could be heard from a distance greater than 75 ft from the source. I also noted several rocks in the street. I did not locate any damage at that time. I contacted a party participant and had them retrieve a resident.
[*]S1/Knox contacted me (in front of the house). She stated that she was one of the current residents. She stated that she was the one who was hosting the party (as she was moving out). She stated that she was not aware of any rock throwers at the gathering.
[*]I issued S1/Knox this infraction for the noise violation and a warning for the rock throwing. I explained how dangerous and juvenile that action was.
[*]See Cad event 264012 for further.
[*]No further action taken at this time.
[*]The report was retrieved by seattlepi.com reporter Levi Pulkkinen during early coverage of the homicide case.
She wasn't arrested so they didn't get that right. Only one officer showed up. She didn't appear in court, she only paid a ticket. She was not warned by the court. The house isn't located on Frat row but rather 5 blocks west and 2 blocks north, on the other side of U-Way. It is a neighborhood with both rentals and owner occupied housing.
The wild, raunchy past of Foxy Knoxy
Amanda Knox - accused of killing Meredith Kercher - has been portrayed as a blameless girl led astray when she moved to Italy. But as this investigation reveals, she already had a dangerous appetite for drink, drugs and sex ...
The police officer on duty in his patrol car late one summer evening in Seattle was expecting a quiet shift.
There was nothing to suggest the night would bring anything out of the ordinary.
Then his car radio crackled into life. There was a disturbance at a house near the prestigious University of Washington.
He drove to an area called Greek Row, well known for fraternity parties among rich students letting off steam.
The officer suspected "some kids" were just playing their music too loud, but what he found was no run-of-the-mill summer student party: he later told colleagues it was like a scene from Baghdad.
Gangs of students, high on drink and drugs, were hurling rocks into the road. Cars were swerving to avoid them. Debris littered the road. It was mayhem.
Fearing reprisals, neighbours who had called the police refused to give their names. The police officer called for back-up as the youths began throwing rocks at the windows of houses on the neat, tree-lined streets.
Eventually, after reinforcements had arrived, the students calmed down. Police made only one arrest: the person they held responsible for the party and the disorder.
Her name? Amanda Knox, or, as she prefers to be known, Foxy Knoxy.
Now the same girl has been arrested again, but this time for murder.
For the 21-year-old American student is facing life behind bars in an Italian jail after the brutal sex-murder five weeks ago of British student Meredith Kercher, who had been allocated a room in the same apartment as Knox during a gap year exchange in Perugia.
Four months ago in Seattle, Knox was fined $269 (£135) at the Municipal Court after the incident - Crime No: 071830624 - and warned that any repeat of her behaviour would lead to much stiffer punishment.
According to the court records, the first officer on the scene, Patrolman Bender, said the only excuse that Knox gave for her behaviour was that she was moving abroad.
Yet this was not a simple case of mischief at a party getting out of hand: according to police sources, it is rare for a party incident involving a 20 year-old to end up in court unless police believe a serious crime has been committed.Those present that night say the scenes on the street were as nothing compared to what was going on inside Knox's rented house, less than a mile from where she studied English, German and Italian amid the calm, regulated life at one of America's greatest universities.
It was, according to one party guest, "bedlam, with drink, drugs and bodies everywhere.
"Some people were naked inside the bedrooms.
"There were people draped over each other.
"I've been to a lot of student parties in my time, but I've never been to a party like that.
"Everyone just wanted to get drunk, get high and get laid. There was also a lot of violence because everyone was so pumped up."
Not surprisingly, Knox's mother was mortified when she discovered that her daughter had received her first criminal conviction, although it was a minor crime compared with what would later transpire in the medieval Italian city of Perugia, when the Leeds University student Meredith Kercher was held down, raped and then murdered by having her throat cut.After the Seattle disturbance, Amanda assured her mother Edda that the police had been "heavy-handed".
According to a family friend, Edda, a maths teacher, put the incident down to the fecklessness of youth.
But, in fact, that incident was just the first official, public confirmation of what many in Amanda's inner circle already suspected: that the former Catholic choirgirl was an "accident just waiting to happen".
Knox was born in Seattle on September 9, 1987, five months after Edda had married William Knox, a decent, upstanding man with a promising career in the retail business ahead of him.
Another girl, Deanna, was born a year later. The family settled in a middle-class suburb in the south of Seattle, a city famous for its waterways, beautiful mountains and low crime rate.
But, sadly, relations between Edda and Bill began to deteriorate. By 1991, her husband had petitioned the Seattle courts for a permanent, legal split, though they remained on cordial terms for the sake of their daughters.
While Edda worked in a local junior school, Bill was determined "his girls" should have the best possible start in life. Both were sent to the elite Seattle Preparatory School where many of the city's most famous sons and daughters, including the current mayor, had gone.
As might be expected of a school where the fees were £6,000 a year, teaching standards were high and pupils were given every opportunity to try music, sport and debating. With exemplary school reports, Amanda seemed to be destined for a glittering future.
Discipline was, however, strict at this Jesuit institution. Pupils were taught to "work hard and pray hard", and strict codes of dress and behaviour were imposed. Not that this proved a problem for Amanda. According to teachers, she was a model pupil.
Excelling at sports and English, she also joined the school choir, prayed every day and showed no hint of the rebellion and taste for the debauched side of life that would later so spectacularly prove her undoing soon after graduating in 2005.
At the school ceremony, attended by both her parents, the students were told that they must "recognise that the choices and decisions you make have consequences and implications for yourselves and others".
It was a message that Amanda soon forgot.
After enrolling at the University of Washington, she developed what her friends describe as a "double life".
By day, she was a caring and conscientious student, often found in the university study rooms.
She was, according to friends, glad to have finally left home.
She had been deeply unsettled by the fact that her mother, always so conservative and supportive, had struck up a relationship with a man young enough to be Amanda's brother.
To the shock of their neighbours, Edda at the age of 39 married 27-year-old Christopher Mellas in 2002.
Amanda was 14. Some speculate that this is when the seeds of Amanda's self-destructive behaviour were sown, even though it was not until she had finally left home that she got the opportunity to break free and rebel - with disastrous consequences.
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Although achieving top grades at university, she had started smoking potent 'skunk' cannabis regularly and declared to friends that her favourite "poison" was vodka.
But there was a crucial difference between Amanda's behaviour and that of her fellow students.
"We all like to smoke a bit of pot and go out and get trashed at the weekends," one student who stayed in the same halls of residence as Amanda recalled last week.
"But she really used drink and drugs.
"By that, I mean she didn't just take stuff to get high and have fun.
"It was like she wanted to get away from herself, as if she had some sort of chemical imbalance she could only cope with by getting wasted."
She also developed a deep, abiding desire for casual sex.
"She was - how can I put it - very friendly, outgoing and bubbly to all men she came into contact with," said Philip Setran, a medical student, who shared a dormitory with Amanda.
"She had what in polite terms you'd call a lot of close male friends."
Others were more blunt, calling her a "man-eater".
She moved in circles more traditionally associated with male students, hanging out with the local football team, climbing surrounding mountains with men and competing aggressively with other women who strayed into her social circle.
With such a lifestyle it was hardly surprising that she hated the strictures of dormitory living.
In 2006, she rented a house in Greek Row, an area traditionally home to football "jocks" and all-male fraternity houses, where she could also escape the alcohol rules of the university accommodation.
"She just went wild," said an acquaintance.
"It was like the brakes were let off. She started smoking pot in the mornings before class and then partying at night. Even by student standards, she was wilder than hell."
As her taste for excess intensified Knox told friends she could not wait to escape Seattle.
Fed-up with American drinking laws that meant, even aged 20, she could not go to bars to meet men for another year, she was thrilled when she was selected as an Erasmus scholar to study in Italy.
Europe, sexual freedom, and unlimited drugs and alcohol beckoned.
Setran says: "I think she couldn't wait to get away."
Her last act in Seattle was to throw that summer party in Greek Row - and collect a criminal record for it.Yet this did not persuade Amanda to ease off on her party lifestyle.
Within hours of arriving in Rome, she e-mailed a former Washington University student, writing excitedly of having sex with a stranger on a train.
Arriving in Perugia, she also liked what she saw, e-mailing another friend that the party scene was "great" and beginning a series of one-night stands with Italian men.She also reputedly boasted to one friend in Seattle that she "could have any man she wanted" - and set about proving it.
According to friends of Meredith Kercher, the steady stream of men Amanda brought home caused tensions between the English girl and the American.Knox also cultivated cannabis plants around the apartment and would smoke her first joint before she got dressed in the morning. There were rumours that Meredith had accused Knox of taking money from a drawer.
At the same time, she also indulged her talents for creative writing.
First, she posted a story on her MySpace page about how a young man drugs and rapes a young woman after remarking that "chicks just don't know what they want". More recently, she has written page after page of notes to police about the night Meredith died, saying she wasn't at home, that a black bar owner called Patrick did it and that her Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito came into her house with blood on his hands.But police say a bloody fingerprint found at the murder scene belonged to Knox.Three suspects are in custody in connection with the murder: Knox, Sollecito, 23, and Rudy Hermann Guede, 20, who is awaiting extradition from Germany. He is an Ivory Coast citizen but was brought up in Italy.
A fourth, Congolese bar owner Diya 'Patrick' Lumumba, 38, was released last week.
Police believe Meredith died after being forced into a drug-fuelled sex game. Her throat had been cut three times and she had bled to death after being locked inside her own room.
Could it all have been prevented if more notice had been taken of the warning signs about Knox's increasingly erratic behaviour in Seattle? It seems unlikely.
The university says it had no indication of anything being wrong.
A spokesman for the university's police force last night insisted Knox had not been guilty of even a "single traffic violation" during her time there.
Any mention of the party in June at which Knox was arrested elicits a flat response.
Norm Arkins, head of public relations at the university, said: "I cannot tell you anything about Amanda.
"I cannot tell you what grades she got, what course she studied, whether she was a good student or bad. I will not discuss anything about this student or anything about her life. End of story."
But, sadly, it is not the end of the story. The student with whom the University of Seattle can find no fault is languishing in a cell in a women's prison awaiting trial.
And a British family is left to mourn the brutal death of their beautiful daughter, who, it seems, died for no other reason than that she had the terrible misfortune to find herself sharing an apartment with 'Foxy' Knoxy.
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That story was written by an independent writer, Antonia Hoyles,
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I have read that as well, but I don't have a citation. IIRC Amanda wrote words to the effect, "Way to go, Laura." Filomena had a boyfriend, but I don't know whether he ever stayed at the women's flat. All four women were sexually active and smoked pot. That is one reason not to buy into a good-girl, bad-girl interpretation of Meredith's relationship with Amanda.
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Comparison Chart
All of Machiavelli's comparisons between Meredith and Amanda got me wondering, so I created this chart. I hope this is helpful. I'm working on a powerpoint.
1. Alcohol:
2. Drugs
3. Boyfriend
4. Sex
5. Illegal Activity
6. Grooming/Hygene
All of Machiavelli's comparisons between Meredith and Amanda got me wondering, so I created this chart. I hope this is helpful. I'm working on a powerpoint.
1. Alcohol:
Meredith--Binge Drinker
Amanda--Normal
2. Drugs
Meredith--Pot Smoker
Amanda--Pot Smoker
3. Boyfriend
Meredith--Criminal (Pot grower)
Amanda--Harry Potter
4. Sex
Meredith--Anal
Amanda--Vibrator
5. Illegal Activity
Meredith--Conspiracy to grow marijuana
Amanda--Noise complaint
6. Grooming/Hygene
Meredith--Brazilian
Amanda--Skidder in Toilet
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2009-02-07 Perugia Shock "Amanda, Diabolic or Lost in Translation?"
Amanda Knox on myspace said...
Monday, October 15, 2007
Finally...A Little Bit of Italy Current mood: thoughtful
Wow. Sorry about the wait. I've been taking care of life. I've actually been living in Italy for about a month now and I've had classes for two weeks so far. Everything is going great. My house is awesome, we just got a washing machine the other day, though it was borken. Luckily, Laura started dating a hadnyman so he came over and fixed it for us. I didnt Know he spent the night until in the morning when he walked out of the bathroom in his underwear. Unfortunately i burst out laughing, not because he's scrawny or anything, but because Laura had been complaining a couple days previously that she hadnt gotten laid in a long time. Forsa Laura!
Monday, October 15, 2007
Finally...A Little Bit of Italy Current mood: thoughtful
Wow. Sorry about the wait. I've been taking care of life. I've actually been living in Italy for about a month now and I've had classes for two weeks so far. Everything is going great. My house is awesome, we just got a washing machine the other day, though it was borken. Luckily, Laura started dating a hadnyman so he came over and fixed it for us. I didnt Know he spent the night until in the morning when he walked out of the bathroom in his underwear. Unfortunately i burst out laughing, not because he's scrawny or anything, but because Laura had been complaining a couple days previously that she hadnt gotten laid in a long time. Forsa Laura!
ETA: link to early copy of MySpace page
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Apparently Mignini was acquitted today in Milan with one charge still pending. It seems Hellmann is right, the PM party within Italy's judiciary IS powerful.
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The only surprise here is that there is still a charge pending. Which charge is that? I thought that Machiavelli had assured us that the statute of limitations had expired on everything.
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Mignini's abuse of office charge for wiretapping a La Stampa journalist is scheduled for March 18. Just days after it expires because of statute of limitations. Coincidence?
It's a good thing I am not prone to conspiracy thinking.
It's a good thing I am not prone to conspiracy thinking.
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Machiavelli assured us this was the preliminary. Apparently that was last Nov 30 and this was the trial. Now it goes to the appeals level.
But for now Machiavelli wins this one. Wonder what the appeals level will do?
But for now Machiavelli wins this one. Wonder what the appeals level will do?
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Why is it no surprise that it is Andrea Vogt breaking this news? Mignini must have her on speed dial!
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LOL. These people are comedy gold.
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It's just me, and I have a horrid record of prediction - but I get the sense they just want all this to go away. I trust that will be Nencini's view too. He'll acquit, but instead of saying "totally innocent", he'll dial it back to "not proven", and tell everyone to go home and forget this ever happened.
What a revolting excuse to smear the victim to " elevate Amanda" , how could you. The depth you have sunk to violate and shame a murdered girl is unforgivable.
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Huh? Prompted by Machiavelli's comments, I was just putting together some facts that show that the two girls seem pretty normal/similar. Maybe Meredith was just a bit edgier, and I guess the whole marajuania cultivation thing seems like a bad choice.
If we want to discuss the case fairly, sometimes we have to accept some facts that might make us uncomfortable.
Fair? Gratuitous remarks to degrade the victim ,Very rape like in fact.We both know it wasn't the reference to pot that was the boundary you crossed.
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Oh, I see. You think that pro-guilt people are allowed to make any comments they want, even if unfounded, speculative and exaggerated, in an effort to degrade Amanda Knox. Yet, you don't believe that even truthful observations about Meredith can be made in an effort to demonstrate that in reality, there's not much difference between the two girls.
I disagree.
In other words: Meredith was a fairly typical student.
One thing that struck me as odd the other day was reading this article :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...da-Knox-retrial-Meredith-Kercher-profile.html.
In the article, John Kercher Sr. is implied to have stated that Meredith was "not allowed" to defer her degree to study abroad. This struck me as odd as:
she would not have needed to defer her degree - the study abroad section is part of her degree.
Perugia is a listed destination Uni for Leeds, so it's not a choice of Uni that would have bothered her tutors.
Leeds sends hundred of language students abroad every year, so it's not a matter of going abroad that would have bothered them.
End of level 2/5, year 2, is where the Italian honours course lists the study abroad section. It's when you're expected to go.
You no longer need to find a counterpart student to do a 1-4-1 exchange with, so that can't have been the problem.
As it was her "life's dream" it's not reasonable to assume she applied too late.
It's not a matter of the course she chose, as several other exchange students appear to have picked the same course.
That leaves the only logical choices being:
John Kercher was confused or misremembering, or,
Meredith did not meet the academic standards to be allowed to go, which means her academic achievement was below the equivilant of a 3.33 GPA (2:1). UoP accepts people at the equivilant of a 3.0 GPA (2:2) but UoL (not LMU) requires equivilant to a 2:1 to allow you to go.
Whereas Knox, we now know, very definetly made the Deans List, which requires a solid 3.5+. Even the comparison of Kercher being the high achieving super student and Knox being the slovenly student barely scraping by does not bear up to further examination.
So Briars, in your opinion was Meredith the easy going and friendly girl described by her friends or the puritanical, confrontational clean freak described by the prosecution?
I'd always thought of her as a normal student who liked a good drink and had a healthy attitude to sex and an active and varied sex life. I just can't imagine her getting so angry at the sight of a vibrator and some minor household cleaning problems, that she was driven to confront Amanda in such a way that Amanda was so humiliated that she was driven into a murderous rage?
You have made your unfortunate position and purpose very clear. All is fair when supporting Amanda. My final comment to you is, hopefully the Kerchers have no idea this site exists. The thought of a family member having to read your sick irrelevant thoughts about her sex life is inhumane.
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