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Jodie, maybe husband was watching you 2 out the window and did this with remote control, for a laugh?
Years ago me and work partner saw guy leaning up against underground parking garage door we had remote control for. We were in a van quite a ways away. We activated the door, he jumped, we deactivated, re activated. He stared, looked down the ramp, looked at the street. He was bewildered. We howled.
 
The Shrike said:
Okay then, just take the next step. There's no scrap of physical bigfoot evidence, anywhere. On the other hand, millions of people are influenced every day by the power of suggestion. Which is more likely happening at this site where you think you got "zapped" and two other people claimed to have seen a bigfoot later the same day?
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"Slain in the spirit" and many martial arts moves involve the power of suggestion. Many historical examples of the delusions of crowds.
 
Northern Lights said:
I'm on the fence on this topic. While I've spoken to many people that have had varying experiences, including one of my own, it's difficult to fathom that they have the ability to emit something that is the cause of what has been described to me.

My personal experience was on a bright sunny day in 2010, about 11:30 in the morning, walking along a trail with a friend not far from where I had my thermal sighting last September. All of a sudden, I had what I can only describe as a panic attack. I turned 180 degrees and froze. I could hear the pulse in my ear lobes, my legs were tingling and was breathing very rapidly. The feeling of fright went throughout my body. This lasted about 5 minutes before it dissipated and I was able to continue my walk. I have no idea what happened and my friend, who was about 20 feet behind me, was completely unaffected.

It's entirely possible I just freaked myself out and lost it for a few minutes. Although it never happened before nor since and I've been out in the field many, many times.

Although there are other animals with the ability to use infra sound, there is no evidence that any primate has that ability. Suggesting that Sasquatch has that ability seems dubious to me and is a bit convenient to explain something that might be a simple case of hysteria (or cataplexy).

I just don't know, but I'm enjoying reading what is being written.
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The above quote is post #1469 if you care to read in and around this post.
You could have had a physiological response to anything.
One trigger mechanism for such a panic attack symptom is a sudden change in your equillibrium caused by something as simple as seeing a motion in the periphery of your vision. Causes your brain to start instant processing info in conflict with normal activity. I have had this at times where i thought i was stroking out, which then triggers a panic response giving symptoms all or in part of symptoms described for panic attack.
Also, there is what is called agraphobia...the fear of open spaces. Oddly, it too can be trigered one time, but not at other times, due to various factors. Maybe say you were farther away from your car than you normally never are. There are other causes of it also, like not feeling right, coupled with distance from car coupled with you not wanting to show fear to your friend. There are many subtle causes for trigger, why on one day but not another..................
Trying to be open minded that there might indeed be Bigfoots out there is hard enough to believe. But if then start attaching things to them outside of apes and humans, well....then its getting close to trying to believe someone who saw a Bigfoot with wings and it flew away, or anything preposterous sounding like that. :monkey: + :pixie2 = :crazy: (Albeit of course many or most of you will say Bigfoot alone is preposterous. I had to get that in to beat you to the punch!)
 
The thing that people who witter on about infra sound forget is that those animals known to produce it are doing it simultaneously with sound above the human audibility threshold. In other words, you hear when an elephant is rumbling, or a tiger or lion is roaring, but you may not hear the entire range of the sound they are producing. I have felt the contents of my chest and belly reverberating slightly when a herd of elephants is nearby, but co-inciding with the noise I could hear from the herd. It wasn't a fluttering in my chest in a silent African day.

In other words, I don't know of any land animals which produce "infra-sound" without producing at exactly the same time a sound which we can hear. Think of it like a dog whistle: they aren't silent. Humans can hear them perfectly well. It's just that we can't hear the entire range of sound which they deliver, and the high-frequency sound is the one the dogs respond to, apparently.

If people are to assign a power to an animal which we haven't ever examined (for very good reason), then they can of course make up any characteristics they feel like for that made-up power. However, they can't take the liberty of saying "oh, well this power is common amongst known large mammals" whilst at the same time mis-describing what those known large mammals are actually doing.

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MikeG said:
. . .those animals known to produce it are doing it simultaneously with sound above the human audibility threshold.
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Yes - thank you for pointing this out, Mike!

One exception might be infrasound produced by whales. I have a friend in bioacoustics who works on Blues. These animals are producing sounds that carry so far there's no way for us to hear whatever audible sounds they might also be making at the source.
 
Northern Lights said:
You asked about infrasound and humans, so I provided a link to an experiment.

As I said before, I'm on the fence as to whether they can do this or not.
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Well, Step 1 is to prove that they exist. You've failed to do that, so any discussion of infrasound is premature.

MikeG said:
If people are to assign a power to an animal which we haven't ever examined (for very good reason), then they can of course make up any characteristics they feel like for that made-up power. However, they can't take the liberty of saying "oh, well this power is common amongst known large mammals" whilst at the same time mis-describing what those known large mammals are actually doing.
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This is where bigfoot belief falls apart completely. It's perfectly acceptable in science to hypothesize the existence of some as-yet undiscovered organism. I've found organisms that were hypothesized to exist. The most famous example of this is Darwin's hypothetical feathered lizard, which was found shortly after his most famous work was published. Ida, Lucy, and others were all hypothesized to exist.

Unlike bigfoot belief, however, those hypothesized organisms were well-constrained based on the species they were related to. The person who hypothesized the existence of the decapod I found described it well enough that, outside some minor characters, my description was redundant. Darwin didn't know enough about Therapoda to constrain his hypothesis to that degree, but it was still remarkably precise, and based on the morphological traits of the organisms he had access to. And so on.

Bigfoot, on the other hand, is speculated (hypothesized is too generous a term) to have traits shared by no other primate. The ability to produce infrasound without audible sound, the ability to stun prey with it, a bipedal gate (not unique in primates, but only a small number of them--none of which evolved in North America--have had it), the ability to have a breeding population in one of the most technologically advanced nations and remain undetected!

A proper scientific hypothesis for bigfoot would examine the traits of the primates that could potentially produce such an organism, and attempt to describe key characters that we would expect to find. But that's never what happens. All we get is self-serving post-hoc justifications as to why the people who claim to see bigfoot can't prove it.
 
barehl said:
You're close. The cavitation bubbles on mantis shrimp (Order, Stomapoda) are secondary to being struck by the front claws. The ones you are thinking of are snapping shrimp (Order, Decapoda) which attack entirely by snapping their claws without actually touching the target.
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Sorry for the double-post, but I wanted to thank you for the correction. :) You'd think after two years studying that order I'd remember which organism killed via sound death-ray, but I guess three years in a desert is making me forgetful.
 
Question: If Bigfoot LOOKS like a guy in a suit, how are we going to know an actual photo of Bigfoot is Bigfoot and not a guy in a suit?

The Takeaway: Bigfoot LOOKS like a guy in a suit, therefore Patty is real.
 
Jodie said:
I thought you were in Alabama.
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Was for two years. Then I moved, for my job. Not that this has any relevance to the thread--my job frequently has me bouncing all over the country. I spent the first part of 2013 in Alabama, for example.
 
Iamme said:
Jodie, maybe husband was watching you 2 out the window and did this with remote control, for a laugh?
Years ago me and work partner saw guy leaning up against underground parking garage door we had remote control for. We were in a van quite a ways away. We activated the door, he jumped, we deactivated, re activated. He stared, looked down the ramp, looked at the street. He was bewildered. We howled.
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No husband, it was a Toyota, I don't think you can remotely close or make the the trunk lid move once it's in the upright position.
 
Jodie said:
Well where did 3 years in a desert come from? Time spent out west?
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It's a colloquialism. What I mean is, I've spent the last three years studying the fossils of the Mojave Desert, focused on Tertiary mammal megafauna but I get a smattering of everything. Once got the chance to do some research on dinosaurs in Arizona, for example, and I spent two weeks once working 12 hours in the field, then coming back and working another 5 or 6 researching fossiliferous sediment in Washington State (that was a rough week, and my boss has told me that I'm not allowed to do that anymore). I do a LOT of field work; before my kid was born it was something like 40 to 50%. Basically, I have to be ready to head out for a week anywhere I'm told to go, within 24 hours. 85%+ of my field time is spent in the Mojave, however.

I have to say, I find it rather creepy that you're spending so much mental bandwidth on my biography. My career is nothing special; in my field, it's actually on the calm side. I've got a friend who lives in Texas, married a girl from France, and spent the last year on the North Sea in a research vessle. I've got another friend who grew up in Ohio, has his permanent residence in New York, and hops from country to country in Europe. I believe it was Charles Lyelle that said that a good geologist must explore the world as much as possible, and see every depositional environment they can; regardless of who said it, it's sound advice every geologist and paleontologist follows.

Again, none of this has anything to do with this thread.
 
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