Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Craig B]

... The fact that Ka Apaz is using the word "Moor" in a way unfamiliar to most Westerners doesn't make her story any less nonsensical. The Romans didn't have kings at that point in history. If Helena's father was a king she must have been a foreign princess. We know that she wasn't, unless of course you want to rewrite history in an effort to preserve your belief in Ama.

And it's utterly anachronistic in relation to a description of Constantine and Helena. It therefore comes from the mind and tongue of a post-Spanish Conquest period resident of the Philippines. Not from a spirit speaking through that person.

 

[pakeha]

Yes, pakeha, Prince Constantine and her mother Elena were infidels. Please note: Prince Constantine. Later on, he became Emperor Constantine I and he became a Christian. He became a believer of Jesus Christ.

Rather than infidels, shouldn't they more properly called pagans?
Wouldn't a legitimate spirit know that?
Wouldn't a legitimate spirit know Prince Constantine was Roman?
And a Roman Emperor's son?

 

[Mojo]

You are right, Craig B. Prince Constantine and her mother Elena were “Moros”, meaning “infidels” in “Ama’s” parlance.

No, it means either "Moors" in Spanish, or the population of indigenous Muslim Philippinos that the term was applied to (or, alternatively, a Greek mythological personification of impending doom). It doesn't mean "infidel". You earlier translated it as "Moors", and now that it has been pointed out that this was blatantly untrue are trying to substitute a mistranslation.

If you have to redefine words to make the pronouncements true, then the pronouncements are not true.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

As ever, the omniscient and omnipotent deity could communicate in an unambiguous way, but chooses not to. How very convenient for the conduit of the message.

 

[catsmate]

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

Except there was no such census, it's entirely fabricated.

You know, I really enjoyed watching the Olympics in 2012. I thought London did a great job putting them on.

Meh, traffic was terrible.

In 6 AD, when according to you, jebus was 39.

Minor details..Do you really expect consistency fro god botherers.

Is it the same Ama who lied to you about the London Olympics?

Yep, that's her.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader
It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

Ka Apaz can't tell the difference between John the Baptist and John the Evangelist. Is it any surprise that she's also managed to confuse the 'travelling to Bethlehem for the census' and 'travelling to Jerusalem for Passover' stories? I get the impression that this woman's education didn't progress beyond primary school level and that she doesn't have much access to books or the internet. Peace Crusader doesn't have those excuses.

 

[Craig4]

I do not force anyone to believe what the spirit of Ama said. I am just sharing to you what I heard and know and have experienced. It is up to you to decide whether you will believe Him wholly or partially, or totally reject Him.

When I find supporting evidences, I present them to you. As before, the decision to believe is up to you.

You have not presented evidence to us. We however have presented evidence to you. You may have noticed that athletes from nearly every country on Earth assembled in London in the summer of 2012 for the Olympic Games. The games were entirely successful. You predicted that the games would not happen based on what the Ama or whatever the hell it is said. The prediction failed completely. This is an insurmountable problem. You are wasting your life on meaningless superstitions that you now know to be wrong.

 

[Astreja]

Here is the spirit of Ama telling us the true events. Why do you not believe Him?

Because "Ama's" prophesies are consistently wrong.

I remember you saying that only a true god can prophesy accurately. The failure of all of Ama's prophesies so far indicates that Ama cannot possibly be a true god.

And not only are you worshipping a false god, Aristeo -- You're associating the Holy Spirit with its false works. If I recall the Bible correctly, that is the unforgivable sin. No heaven for you!

 

[Craig B]

... If I recall the Bible correctly, that is the unforgivable sin. No heaven for you!

Mmm. Look at Mark 3:

20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.” ... 28 [He responded] Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” 30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

To put it more simply: the unforgivable sin, according to Jesus, was saying that Jesus is nuts.

 

[Astreja]

Mmm. Look at Mark 3: To put it more simply: the unforgivable sin, according to Jesus, was saying that Jesus is nuts.

I think we've got "Ama" in a no-win situation, then. Even if "he" really was who he claims to be (the Holy Spirit, and also Jesus), there's nothing sane or reasonable about:

• A 6'8" Roman official made out of clay by some Jewish kid;
• A British pseudo-heiress importing dozens of bodies and storing them in coffins in her house;
• A nuclear war that can be survived by using draught stoppers for 3 days, yet which kills 9 times as many men as women;
• Nails that float all the way to Paris instead of rusting away in the Mediterranean.

And Veronica. *heavy sigh*

 

[poblob14]

I can't read the whole thread today . . . a little part of my brain wants to, but I just can't . . . so I hope I'm not repeating a recent post, but for those new to the whole Ama/Ka Apaz/giants in the earth/etc. soap opera, here's what Peace Crusader told us in July of 2012:

If the prophecies [that WWIII would break out, causing the cancellation of the London Olympics] do not happen, then I will stop believing in that spirit [Ama] but I will continue my search for the true Holy Spirit. [snip] If that spirit is not the true Holy Spirit, then I will continue my search of Him. I hope the spirit who we talk to now is the true Holy Spirit so that I do not have to search anymore.

Bracketed insertions are mine.

So yeah, whatever happened to that?

 

[Mojo]

I think we've got "Ama" in a no-win situation, then. Even if "he" really was who he claims to be (the Holy Spirit, and also Jesus), there's nothing sane or reasonable about:

• A 6'8" Roman official made out of clay by some Jewish kid;
• A British pseudo-heiress importing dozens of bodies and storing them in coffins in her house;
• A nuclear war that can be survived by using draught stoppers for 3 days, yet which kills 9 times as many men as women;
• Nails that float all the way to Paris instead of rusting away in the Mediterranean.

And Veronica. *heavy sigh*

PeaceCrusader has also specified that Pilate was made of a type of clay from the Philippines, and was named "Pilato" because that is Filipino for "this is clay", and that the pseudo-heiress is 7'2" tall and lives on a mountain in England that is 8 hours drive from the nearest city. Among other things.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

Or that Jesus, and by extension his identical twin golem Pilate, were 6' 8" tall (203 cm) in an age where most people in Palestine were about 5' 1" (155 cm).

Whoa, I'd temporarily forgotten that one!

Another little gem: the indefatigable Helena also found the time to discover the seamless robe worn by Jesus before his crucifixion. It's kept in the cathedral in Trier and looks enormous, about the right size to fit a 6' 8" man, which suggests to me that it may originally have been made to fit a larger-than-life processional image. Surely, I hear you cry, it's a candidate for carbon dating? Alas, no:

Sections of taffeta and silk have been added to the robe, and it was dipped in a rubber solution in the 19th century in an attempt to preserve it.[1] The few remaining original sections are not suitable for carbon dating.[1] The stigmatist Therese Neumann of Konnersreuth declared that the Trier robe was authentic.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamless_robe_of_Jesus

A rival robe exists in Argenteuil:

According to the Argenteuil tradition, the Empress Irene made a gift of the seamless robe to Charlemagne in about the year 800. Charlemagne gave it to his daughter Theocrate, abbess of Argenteuil,[1] where it was preserved in the church of the Benedictines. In 1793, the parish priest, fearing that the robe would be desecrated in the French Revolution, cut the robe into pieces and hid them in separate places. Only four of the pieces remain. They were moved to the present church of Argenteuil in 1895.[citation needed]

The earliest document referring to the robe at Argenteuil dates from 1156, written by Archbishop Hugh of Rouen. He described it, however, as the garment of the child Jesus. A long-running dispute claims that the Argenteuil cloth is actually not the seamless robe worn by Jesus during the crucifixion, but the garments woven for him by the Virgin Mary and worn his entire life. Advocates of the theory that the Argenteuil cloth is the seamless robe claim that the Trier robe is actually Jesus's mantle.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamless_robe_of_Jesus

Perhaps Ama could shed some light on this confusion?

 

[halleyscomet]

What "supporting evidences" have you presented? So far it's all been made up from whole cloth by Ka Apaz.

When one's mind has been enslaved by a con artist, that con artist's lies ARE evidence.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Whoa, I'd temporarily forgotten that one!

Another little gem: the indefatigable Helena also found the time to discover the seamless robe worn by Jesus before his crucifixion. It's kept in the cathedral in Trier and looks enormous, about the right size to fit a 6' 8" man, which suggests to me that it may originally have been made to fit a larger-than-life processional image. Surely, I hear you cry, it's a candidate for carbon dating? Alas, no:


A rival robe exists in Argenteuil:


Perhaps Ama could shed some light on this confusion?

Yes, Jesus Christ was 6’8” tall. I believe Pontius Pilate was 6’8” as well because they looked exactly alike.

Don’t you think that Jesus was 6’8”? We consider a very tall person like Jesus to be a giant. Goliath was a famous giant in the Holy Bible (1 Samuel 17:4). So it is not unusual to believe that Jesus was 6’8” tall especially one that was confirmed by Ama and an eight-year-old girl who drew the Prince of Peace.

With regards to the robe at Trier, Germany, I remember Ama mentioning a robe, a seamless robe, made by the Blessed Virgin Mary when Jesus was just a child. This same robe was worn by Jesus when He was scourged. It seems to the robe grew as Jesus grew up. I will look for the tape when Ama said this.

There may be truth in the robe at Trier because Santa Elena was from the place. And Santa Elena found the things used in the crucifixion in Jerusalem. I learned about Trier when we were discussing Santa Elena.

Regarding the seamless robe at Argenteuil (France), this is the first time that I heard about it. Maybe, the way that Santa Elena did in identifying which of the three crosses was the real cross of Christ be applied to the robes as well.

 

[Craig B]

Yes, Jesus Christ was 6’8” tall. I believe Pontius Pilate was 6’8” as well because they looked exactly alike.

Don’t you think that Jesus was 6’8”? We consider a very tall person like Jesus to be a giant. Goliath was a famous giant in the Holy Bible (1 Samuel 17:4). So it is not unusual to believe that Jesus was 6’8” tall especially one that was confirmed by Ama and an eight-year-old girl who drew the Prince of Peace.

I thought Jesus was supposed to be of the House of David, not the House of Goliath! The size of Giant Jesus was "confirmed" by an eight year old girl's drawing? How very odd.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PeaceCrusader has also specified that Pilate was made of a type of clay from the Philippines, and was named "Pilato" because that is Filipino for "this is clay", and that the pseudo-heiress is 7'2" tall and lives on a mountain in England that is 8 hours drive from the nearest city. Among other things.

I said that the clay used by Jesus when He was 12 years old in creating Pontius Pilate is similar to the clay found in the Philippines. The name of the clay is called “pila” used in pottery-making. There is a town in Laguna province in the Philippines named Pila.

In Filipino, Pilate is Pilato. According to the spirit of Ama, Pilato is the contraction of the words “pila” and “ito” (this), thus “this is pila”.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Ka Apaz can't tell the difference between John the Baptist and John the Evangelist. Is it any surprise that she's also managed to confuse the 'travelling to Bethlehem for the census' and 'travelling to Jerusalem for Passover' stories? I get the impression that this woman's education didn't progress beyond primary school level and that she doesn't have much access to books or the internet. Peace Crusader doesn't have those excuses.

You do not understand, Alice Shortcake. There are two different beings—the 74-year-old blind Ka Apaz and the spirit of Ama who appropriates the body of Ka Apaz to talk to people. What I told you is mostly what Ama said. They are not the words of Ka Apaz. If it is her word, then I would say so.

Did you know why is was a census the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, or passed by Jerusalem? A census and not Passover? How come? It was because Tiberius Caesar was newly installed as Emperor. As such, he would like to know how much taxes could be collected from the people, hence, the census. The last census was when Jesus was born twelve years earlier. Just think, why were the Blessed Virgin Mary with the group if it was Passover? Please read Exodus 23:17 and Deuteronomy 16:16.

 

[jsfisher]

PeaceCrusader,
You seem to be ignoring this post:

PeaceCrusader, you said that you would accept that Ama is a false prophet when the 2012 Olympics were held without being interrupted by WWIII.

You have not done so, and you continue to believe the nonsense stories that Ama tells despite the abject failure of the Olympics prediction.

Why should we give any credence whatsoever to the fairy tales you relate as coming from Ama, given that Ama has been exposed as a false prophet?

Please address the points it raised.

You said that you would accept that Ama is a false prophet when the 2012 Olympics were held without being interrupted by World War III.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

PeaceCrusader,
You seem to be ignoring this post:



Please address the points it raised.

You said that you would accept that Ama is a false prophet when the 2012 Olympics were held without being interrupted by World War III.

A valid point PC continues to evade