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Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

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The cathedral is host to a holy relic the "Saint Mors" brought back from the crusades. It belonged to Saint Helena who had a nail from the Holy Cross turned into a bit (horse tack) for her son emperor Constantine.
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Interesting. I wonder if the relic's name and alleged provenance could be behind Ama's belief that Helena and Constantine were Moors?

Peace Crusader, don't you understand the the stories in the Pasiong Mahal are based on medieval legends created centuries after the events they purport to describe?

And do you accept that there is no evidence for the existence of Angelina Imden?
 
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Interesting. I wonder if the relic's name and alleged provenance could be behind Ama's belief that Helena and Constantine were Moors?
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That is a fascinating idea. In modern French I suppose "mors" and "maure" could be confused.
Peace Crusader, don't you understand the the stories in the Pasiong Mahal are based on medieval legends created centuries after the events they purport to describe?

And do you accept that there is no evidence for the existence of Angelina Imden?
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It's amazing how things can be believed when they are not merely ridiculous but when their false origins are known.

ETA I've just listened to the French pronunciations of mors and maure on Google Translate. They are identical. I really think you've discovered something here.
 
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Hey, you guys are supposed to notify me when our resident visionaries and seers return, but I have to say that it's a pleasure to see the post hoc retrofitting that AMA is making. Got the dates of Jesus and Pilate wrong? Simple. Re-engineer Pilate into a creation of Jesus (and continue insisting that all the histories and Roman records of the time are wrong). Got a problem John the Baptist/John the Evangelist? Simple. They're the same person in spite of the records that say otherwise. The bible disagrees with you? Simple. The bible is wrong. The bible agrees with you? Simple. The bible is right.

More interesting is that it wasn't the spirit of the hills who was wrong. Why, no! It was ourlordandsaviorjesuschrist who was wrong. Heaven forbid we should admit that the old fart is blathering, so let's just say that the King of Peace was making **** up. Slow day at the right hand of God? Was he bored?

And those who know me know that I'm really only interested in one thing.... Can We Start the Countdown Clock Running Again? I make it out to be Armageddon Plus 881, right now, so AMA (or Jeebus) missed the last prediction by quite a bit.

Are you hedging your bets, PeaceCrusader? I've got cakes to bake and cappuccinos to make so I can't do a countdown to each Wednesday, although I do note that New Year's Day is on a Wednesday. Is that just to tempt you? I'm pretty sure that Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter Sunday aren't on a Wednesday this year, but maybe AMA and jeebus could move stuff around. I mean, they've already reorganized the calendars that most foolish historians have been using and came up with a nail that could not only float but apparently has a tiny outboard motor on it, enabling it to go upstream against a current that average 11 kph.

How about before the World Cup? Or does Bethke have a monopoly on Sky Daddy Retribution During World Cups? (Do you guys have a guild? Do the end-of-the-worlders consult each others' failures? Does Bethke read your stuff and say "Ha ha ha, some old hill-dwelling crone speaking in tongues says Armageddon starts right before the London Olympics! Everyone knows that Olympics aren't magic, it's World Cups that are magic.")
 
Hmmm.
I've read the chapters of the work that deal with Helen's finding of the 4 nails and can't find any reference to two of them being cast into the Adriatic.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26011.htm


Chapters 18 and onward are fascinating reading.

More on the nails I found here
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Feast+of+the+Exaltation+of+the+Cross
"...In addition, St. Helena discovered the four nails used in the Crucifixion, and the small plaque hung above Jesus that bore the sarcastic inscription "INRI" ( Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum, Latin for "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews"). Two of the nails were placed in Constantine's crown, one was later brought to France by Charlemagne, and the fourth was supposedly cast into the Adriatic Sea when Helena's ship was threatened by a storm on her return journey. "

In any case, the legend of the nail cast into the Adriatic was in the 4th century, not the first.
The authors of the Pasiong Mahal git it wrong.
How is it Ka Apaz didn't correct the error?
 
One thing is certain. I bet some poor bugger accidently trod on one in bare feet.
 
Foolmewunz, the countdown has been extended to encompass one Dread Wednesday in each of the years 2014, 2020, 2025, 2042, 2048 and 2053. I have absolutely no doubt that as each Dread Wednesday passes with no war, a few more Dread Wednesdays will be added into the mix.

Those goalposts have not just been moved, they have been fitted with rocket attachments for easier relocation.

I refer you to this informative post of PeaceCrusader's, looking forward to global thermonuclear war. The war which, let us remind ourselves, PC has informed us will only last eight hours, will destroy no infrastructure, the radiation lasts only three days and the effects of the radiation are easily overcome by popping draught excluders by one's door and taping up one's windows with duct tape. Oh, and kills men in preference to women so that afterwards, every man gets 10 wives (I don't know if the women get a say in this at all).

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2014 maybe the year when this war starts. He said that it will be in the middle of the year on a Wednesday. The middle of the year, if by quarter, are the second and third quarters of the year from 04-01 to 09-30; if by month, are June and July from 06-01 to 07-31; and if by day, it is on 07-02 on a common year and on 07-01 on a leap year. The following are the middle of the year by day which is a Wednesday: 2014-07-02, 2020-07-01, 2025-07-02, 2042-07-02, 2048-07-01, 2053-07-02. So, next year, on 2014-07-02, WWIII may start. He said that the years will run swiftly because of the hardship of life.
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... four nails which had pierced the Lord’s Body
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A contentious issue!?! There was a doctrine known as "Triclavianism" which held that only three nails were used, Jesus' feet being transfixed by a single nail. Wiki notes that
Triclavianism was one of the beliefs attributed to Albigenses and Waldensians, who held that three nails were used to crucify Christ and that a Roman soldier pierced him with a spear on the left side.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclavianism. It is also stated that
Pope Innocent III finally and infallibly determined, that four nails were used, and that the Roman soldier pierced the right side of Christ; a decision, which of course stamped the brand of heresy upon Triclavianism.
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But it's very improbable that Innocent did any such thing.
 
Agatha said:
Foolmewunz, the countdown has been extended to encompass one Dread Wednesday in each of the years 2014, 2020, 2025, 2042, 2048 and 2053. I have absolutely no doubt that as each Dread Wednesday passes with no war, a few more Dread Wednesdays will be added into the mix.

Those goalposts have not just been moved, they have been fitted with rocket attachments for easier relocation.

I refer you to this informative post of PeaceCrusader's, looking forward to global thermonuclear war. The war which, let us remind ourselves, PC has informed us will only last eight hours, will destroy no infrastructure, the radiation lasts only three days and the effects of the radiation are easily overcome by popping draught excluders by one's door and taping up one's windows with duct tape. Oh, and kills men in preference to women so that afterwards, every man gets 10 wives (I don't know if the women get a say in this at all).
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They promised there would be no math.

Thanx.

Okay, I can handle the 183 or 184 days to 2 July '14... but I don't think I'll do 2000 days until 2020.

So based on the fact that PeaceCrusader and I are dictating the time zone, more or less, it is presently the early evening of Dec 30, 2013. So there are 182 days (not counting today, which is nearly over) to 2 July, 2014.


184 Days And Counting Down to Armageddon II. People start getting your houses in order. Guys, you might want to divorce last year's model. There are going to be 10 females to every male, after all. But actually as society breaks down, I'm sure they will recognize the need for polygamy as it'll be needed to rebuild the human race.

I call first dibs on Selma Hayak. I think I'll have to interview potential mates to give them all a fair chance. As reference, ladies, see my avatar. I'm some awesome breeding stock!
 
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Craig B said:
pakeha said:
... four nails which had pierced the Lord’s Body
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A contentious issue!?! There was a doctrine known as "Triclavianism" which held that only three nails were used, Jesus' feet being transfixed by a single nail. Wiki notes that
Triclavianism was one of the beliefs attributed to Albigenses and Waldensians, who held that three nails were used to crucify Christ and that a Roman soldier pierced him with a spear on the left side.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclavianism.

It is also stated that
Pope Innocent III finally and infallibly determined, that four nails were used, and that the Roman soldier pierced the right side of Christ; a decision, which of course stamped the brand of heresy upon Triclavianism.
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But it's very improbable that Innocent did any such thing.
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Very improbable, though the author of that speculation was an interesting person in his own right
George Stanley FaberWP
"Throughout his career he strenuously advocated the evangelical doctrines of the necessity of conversion, justification by faith, and the sole authority of scripture as the rule of faith. By this conduct, as well as by his able writings, he obtained the friendship of Bishop Burgess, Bishop van Mildert, Bishop Barrington, the Marquis of Bath, Lord Bexley, and Dr. Routh.

His work on The Origin of Pagan Idolatry, 1816, is prescientific in its character. He considers that all the pagan nations worshipped the same gods, who were only deified men."

While reading up on triclavianism, I found it was apparently st Gregory of Tours who recorded the nail dipping in the Adriatic to calm a raging storm, rather than Socrates Scholasticus.
 
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... While reading up on triclavianism, I found it was apparently st Gregory of Tours who recorded the nail dipping in the Adriatic to calm a raging storm, rather than Socrates Scholasticus.
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So wiki is wrong?!? Aaargh!!
 
Worse yet, Craig B.
The Socrates Scholasticus claim was reported by...the BBC! :eek:
 
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Triclavianism was one of the beliefs attributed to Albigenses and Waldensians, who held that three nails were used to crucify Christ and that a Roman soldier pierced him with a spear on the left side.
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Honestly, the things religious loons will argue about and shed blood over. If only they could see that to outsiders their disputes make about as much sense as a row over whether pixies wash their socks in Dreft or Persil.
 
Agatha said:
I refer you to this informative post of PeaceCrusader's, looking forward to global thermonuclear war. The war which, let us remind ourselves, PC has informed us will only last eight hours, will destroy no infrastructure, the radiation lasts only three days and the effects of the radiation are easily overcome by popping draught excluders by one's door and taping up one's windows with duct tape. Oh, and kills men in preference to women so that afterwards, every man gets 10 wives (I don't know if the women get a say in this at all).
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But, of course, PeaceCrusader can't possibly believe any of this because:
PeaceCrusader said:
If World War III does not start before the 2012 Olympic Games in London, then I will say that He is a false god.
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What puzzles me the most is why PC keeps coming back here. It must have been obvious some time ago that no-one here is ever going to believe a single word this crazy old woman says.
 
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