Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Clayton Moore]

This story illustrates the fact that you're missing the whole point of vaccination. NOTHING in life is safe, that's the whole issue of life... but what about posting all the statistics of death rates in communities that are totally unvaccinated..
Oh, that's right, vaccines don't save lives, that's why variolation has been practised for so many hundreds of years.. all those silly people..

People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Even though entered through the skin the body seems to get what you want it to do with the virus material.

Too much expensive virus material was required so the boys upstairs said to fix it.

Bottom line? They started adding materials to stimulate the immune system and whatever else.

Got that? I'll spell it out. Greedy Big Pharma is giving our babies and children DRUGS.

 

[abaddon]

People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Even though entered through the skin the body seems to get what you want it to do with the virus material.

Too much expensive virus material was required so the boys upstairs said to fix it.

Bottom line? They started adding materials to stimulate the immune system and whatever else.

Got that? I'll spell it out. Greedy Big Pharma is giving our babies and children DRUGS.

Cuz DRUGS are BAAAAAAAAD.

It's like a strange South Park episode.

BTW, that last site you quoted? Another crackpot site. I assume that by now you are on your strict coconut oil regime as recommended. Right?

 

[Robrob]

Too much expensive virus material was required so the boys upstairs said to fix it.

Evidence of which...?

 

[Border Reiver]

Got that? I'll spell it out. Greedy Big Pharma is giving our babies and children DRUGS.

Yes they are. In other news, bears defecate in the woods.

That is complaining that the major breweries are marketing beer to young people.

 

[000063]

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The point of the above is that if broken glass gets by quality control then

formula errors
ingredient errors
temperature fluctuations
contamination
preparation error

would be much more likely to get by quality control.

Robrob already pointed out you're wrong. You're also studiously ignoring the fact that the evidence you provided indicates that vaxx companies are much more responsible than you've repeatedly implied. You've shot yourself in the foot, again.

People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Clay, if I check your old posts, how many will I find specifically referring to lawsuits over vaccines?

Even though entered through the skin the body seems to get what you want it to do with the virus material.

No, vaccines are generally entered into the bloodstream. The needle goes through the skin. You sure have fixiated on that term, "through the skin".

Too much expensive virus material was required so the boys upstairs said to fix it.

And you're going to provide evidence of this...when?

Bottom line? They started adding materials to stimulate the immune system and whatever else.

Got that? I'll spell it out.

Clearly a master of rhetoric. Having to deliver their punchline twice.

Greedy Big Pharma is giving our babies and children DRUGS.

So are their parents. I recall getting children's asprin.

I'll leave the obvious joke about certain people's reproductive chances in the trashbin, where it belongs.

 

[Muc]

A "vaccine injury" at six weeks old lead to death at 15 years old? Just because a "thinking mom" said so? That's some delayed reaction.

It does work the other way around. A few months ago, here in Germany a 14-year old boy died from SSPE, a result of a measles infection which he acquired in a pediatrician's waiting room when he was 5 months old. He and 5 other young kids were infected there by a boy who's anti-vaxxer parents had refused to have him vaccinated against measles. Two of them - the above-mentioned 14-year old and a girl who died in 2011 - are dead now.

 

[Estellea]

People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Most vaccines aren't even profitable; therapeutic drugs like statins and boner pills are.

Even though entered through the skin the body seems to get what you want it to do with the virus material.

OK and?

Too much expensive virus material was required so the boys upstairs said to fix it.

Bottom line? They started adding materials to stimulate the immune system and whatever else.

You really don't have a clue of how this works does it? How is a vaccine made Clay and please give examples of the most used formulations.

Got that? I'll spell it out. Greedy Big Pharma is giving our babies and children DRUGS.

ZOMG!!!11 They give drugs to big people too, the horror.

No, vaccines are generally entered into the bloodstream. The needle goes through the skin. You sure have fixiated on that term, "through the skin".

Not that Clay can understand the difference but vaccines are administered intramuscularly or subcutaneously and the immune response takes place in the lymphatics. Vaccines don't enter the bloodstream initially.

It does work the other way around. A few months ago, here in Germany a 14-year old boy died from SSPE, a result of a measles infection which he acquired in a pediatrician's waiting room when he was 5 months old. He and 5 other young kids were infected there by a boy who's anti-vaxxer parents had refused to have him vaccinated against measles. Two of them - the above-mentioned 14-year old and a girl who died in 2011 - are dead now.

Ugh I know; I'm sadly too familiar with these cases. It's tragedies like these, that could have been prevented with vaccination (the child who spread the initial infection) that I'm reminded of when people like Clay try to co-op them for his imaginary vaccine injuries. And it's shameful. People are really injured by vaccines albeit rarely and the Clay people diminish these and want diseases like SSPE to come back all for their imaginary harms.

Este

 

[TheRedWorm]

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Ugh I know; I'm sadly too familiar with these cases. It's tragedies like these, that could have been prevented with vaccination (the child who spread the initial infection) that I'm reminded of when people like Clay try to co-op them for his imaginary vaccine injuries. And it's shameful. People are really injured by vaccines albeit rarely and the Clay people diminish these and want diseases like SSPE to come back all for their imaginary harms.

Este

Well, look on the bright side, the child may be dead, but at least she/he doesn't have asthma. I mean, which you you rather have, an condition that is serious but manageable, or death............

Antivaxers, ask yourselves the same question.

 

[Robrob]

Most vaccines aren't even profitable; therapeutic drugs like statins and boner pills are.
Este

Considering flu shots cost about $1.50/dose and most people get maybe a score of vaccinations their entire lives? Yeah, Big Pharma makes huuuuuge money on this.

Your average 7-11 gets a better ROI selling cokes and cigarets.

 

[Estellea]

Another classic Clayton non-response. How's that proof that the MMR vaccine causes autism coming along? Making any headway yet?

Or what glass particle contamination in a vaccine will do.
Or how vaccines are made.
Or how mammalian cells can get into a vaccine.

So on and so forth.

Este

 

[Clayton Moore]

Considering flu shots cost about $1.50/dose and most people get maybe a score of vaccinations their entire lives? Yeah, Big Pharma makes huuuuuge money on this.

Your average 7-11 gets a better ROI selling cokes and cigarets.

Well, look on the bright side, the child may be dead, but at least she/he doesn't have asthma. I mean, which you you rather have, an condition that is serious but manageable, or death............

Antivaxers, ask yourselves the same question.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-vaccine-bubble/

How about the part when there are "epidemic/breakouts" a large majority of the victims are said to have been vaccinated? That means the vaccine didn't even work.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Most vaccines aren't even profitable; therapeutic drugs like statins and boner pills are.

Weigh in on this one. If you dare. Vaccines are big dollars.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Considering flu shots cost about $1.50/dose and most people get maybe a score of vaccinations their entire lives? Yeah, Big Pharma makes huuuuuge money on this.

Your average 7-11 gets a better ROI selling cokes and cigarets.

Notice how every child is to get

49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?


That's a far and eerie cry from "maybe a score."

http://www.nvic.org/downloads/49-doses-posterb.aspx

 

[Clayton Moore]

Or what glass particle contamination in a vaccine will do.
Or how vaccines are made.
Or how mammalian cells can get into a vaccine.

So on and so forth.

Este

Why aren't you concerned with HOW GLASS PARTICLES GOT INTO THE VACCINE?

You fancy yourself the expert. You tell me what glass particle contamination would do after entering a person along with its vaccine host. Please cite a study or two.

 

[Clayton Moore]

It does work the other way around. A few months ago, here in Germany a 14-year old boy died from SSPE, a result of a measles infection which he acquired in a pediatrician's waiting room when he was 5 months old. He and 5 other young kids were infected there by a boy who's anti-vaxxer parents had refused to have him vaccinated against measles. Two of them - the above-mentioned 14-year old and a girl who died in 2011 - are dead now.

You believe that and not the testimonies of many thousands of parents of vaccine injured children?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Not that Clay can understand the difference but vaccines are administered intramuscularly or subcutaneously and the immune response takes place in the lymphatics. Vaccines don't enter the bloodstream initially.

The vaccine gunk does eventually enter the bloodstream. Human bodies are at its mercy. Much like dental patients with mercury fillings.


And then there is the measles vaccine material collecting in the intestine area and the brain infections that kill babies and the HPV vaccine seriously damaging young women for life, sometimes even killing them.

 

[Robrob]

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-vaccine-bubble/

How about the part when there are "epidemic/breakouts" a large majority of the victims are said to have been vaccinated? That means the vaccine didn't even work.

"Are said?"

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Weigh in on this one. If you dare. Vaccines are big dollars.

You made the claim. Please provide evidence to support it. For example, what is the profit of vaccinations vs any other medication?

Notice how every child is to get

49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?

That's a far and eerie cry from "maybe a score."

http://www.nvic.org/downloads/49-doses-posterb.aspx

I notice your link conflates booster shots with discrete vaccinations. 14 - 16 (less than a score) vaccinations age 6-18 is a more honest description of the program.

Why aren't you concerned with HOW GLASS PARTICLES GOT INTO THE VACCINE?

You fancy yourself the expert. You tell me what glass particle contamination would do after entering a person along with its vaccine host. Please cite a study or two.

1) Particle contamination was probably a result of the manufacturing process of the the tubes themselves. That it was so few, was found so fast and no one suffered any ill effects speaks volumes to the efficacy of the system.

2) Please feel free to elaborate on your belief sterile GLASS particles injected IM would result in immunological injury?

3) I notice you requested a study or two. I take it you will be providing studies to support your claims as well?

 

[Estellea]

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-vaccine-bubble/

How about the part when there are "epidemic/breakouts" a large majority of the victims are said to have been vaccinated? That means the vaccine didn't even work.

How about you don't understand simple statistics. There is only one vaccine with a secondary failure rate that results in breakthrough disease and that's the pertussis portion of the DTaP jab. But the fact is is that even with the secondary failure rate of pertussis vaccination, unvaccinated are 23 times more likely to be infected than vaccinated. Because you and your experts don't understand things like attack rates and proportions, there are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated but a higher proportion of unvaccinated are always infected than vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
People don't seem to get that the term vaccine has been given ethereal status which would be just dandy if greedy humans weren't jury rigging vaccines for profit.

Weigh in on this one. If you dare. Vaccines are big dollars.

Go ahead and tell me which vaccines are "big dollars".

Why aren't you concerned with HOW GLASS PARTICLES GOT INTO THE VACCINE?

You fancy yourself the expert. You tell me what glass particle contamination would do after entering a person along with its vaccine host. Please cite a study or two.

No I'm not concerned and since you are the one gnashing teeth and proclaiming the sky is falling about ten syringes potentially contaminated the onus is upon you to provide evidence of adverse effects. If you can that is.

You believe that and not the testimonies of many thousands of parents of vaccine injured children?

Of course I believe that because I'm very familiar with the cases including medical histories. Measles infection, particularly at a young age can cause SSPE years after the primary infection. All you cite are a bunch of hysterical women bleating on about how vaccinesdidit. I have caught many in lies and revisionist history and none of them can provide any medical substantiation for their claims. They rely upon gullible fools just believing them unquestioningly.

The vaccine gunk does eventually enter the bloodstream. Human bodies are at its mercy. Much like dental patients with mercury fillings.


And then there is the measles vaccine material collecting in the intestine area and the brain infections that kill babies and the HPV vaccine seriously damaging young women for life, sometimes even killing them.

Right and your proof of this is what again? Fakefield? Some chicks on the internet?

Este

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/br..._disorders/brain_infections/encephalitis.html

Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus, vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.

People may have a fever, headache, or seizures, and they may feel sleepy, numb, or confused.
Magnetic resonance imaging of the head and a spinal tap are usually done.
Treatment involves relieving symptoms and sometimes using antiviral drugs.

Encephalitis can occur in the following ways:

A virus directly infects the brain.
A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.
A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).

This wraps it up.

 

[ehcks]

1 in 1000 of measles cases cause encephalitis.
<1 in 1,000,000 of MMR vaccinations cause encephalitis.

I'll go with the latter. As I actually have, three times. No encephalitis here.

Though what does encephalitis have to do with autism?