Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Diogenes]

Tell that tommy rot to the parents of the 1 of 88, and 1 out of 55 statistics quoted on TV.

You are again attempting to co-opt the experiences of parents that you can't even begin to understand much less use in your appeal to emotion fallacy.

 

[Robrob]

It's perhaps a few dozen kids, and you can't believe none of them is autistic? Clayton, what proportion of vaccinated children and unvaccinated children do you imagine are autistic? I mean very roughly - ballpark percentages. I'm genuinely curious to know what sort of world you imagine you inhabit.

Well, I had them all too, so did my wife, & her sister, & her sister's kids, & all of my cousins & their kids, my doctor's kids, his grandkids, my son's doctor's kids & grandkids, neighbor's kids... etc... no autisim.

What is said here is that he doesn't know of, personally, any autistic children.

No, that's not what he said at all. You do realize we can read what he posted for ourselves and don't have to rely on what you pretend he wrote, right?

 

[000063]

What is said here is that he doesn't know of, personally, any autistic children.

And statistics - from the same folks you quoted earlier, the CDC - indicate, that would be perfectly normal. Like I said. Of course, I'm referring to the actual meaning, not your straw man.

I was correct. Your ilk are blind to baldfaced lies that support agendas.

Please disrupt the thread more.

I'm sorry, are you planning to answer my challenge from #6898 now? Your evidence that every single doctor who has claimed to vaccinate their kids is lying? Heck, we have someone claiming to be a doctor's kid who got their shots in this thread.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines

How many Gardasil/Cervarix injuries will it take until someone pays attention? >140 deaths so far. They take drugs off the market with 15 deaths. Millions of cars are recalled with a few brake failures - and "suspected problems". How many deaths will it take until parents stop doing this to their children?

http://sanevax.org/silent-suffering-hpv-vaccines/

krobinson says:
December 19, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Hello Esther,
I live in the US. My daughter was also injured by the HPV vaccine.

Pay no attention to those people. If my sons weren't adults I'd make sure they got all three HPV vaccinations.

 

[Robrob]

I'm sorry, are you planning to answer my challenge from #6898 now? Your evidence that every single doctor who has claimed to vaccinate their kids is lying? Heck, we have someone claiming to be a doctor's kid who got their shots in this thread.

That would be me.

Funny how CM is able to post and post without ever actually addressing any of the questions asked or the evidence presented contradicting him?

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://experimentalvaccines.org/201...s-recalled-contaminated-with-glass-particles/

743,000 Gardasil Shots Recalled: Contaminated with Glass Particles

FYI
Gardasil is the HPV vaccine that has killed many young girls and disabled many more.

 

[abaddon]

http://experimentalvaccines.org/201...s-recalled-contaminated-with-glass-particles/

743,000 Gardasil Shots Recalled: Contaminated with Glass Particles

FYI
Gardasil is the HPV vaccine that has killed many young girls and disabled many more.

Yes, I'm certain you are running your car on water and recommending cannabis as a cure-all for cancer.

You have a true gift. The ability to find endless crank websites.

 

[jdc324]

http://experimentalvaccines.org/201...s-recalled-contaminated-with-glass-particles/

743,000 Gardasil Shots Recalled: Contaminated with Glass Particles

FYI
Gardasil is the HPV vaccine that has killed many young girls and disabled many more.

They reckon it's 10 doses out of the 743,000 that may be affected and are recalling all 743,000 on this basis: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/...luntary-recall-743360-vials-gardasil-vaccine/

A medical assessment conducted by Merck concluded that if a patient were to receive one of the contaminated vaccines, they had a “remote risk” of experiencing a reaction at the injection site.

You're asking us to believe that the manufacturers and the authorities care so much about vaccine safety that they will recall over 700k doses due to a small chance of up to 10 adverse reactions. At the same time, you're asking us to believe that they care so little for vaccine safety that they are willing to let hundreds of people die from Gardasil vaccines. This just doesn't add up.

You're also asking us to pretend that we've not had a number of previous conversations about Gardasil in which it was pointed out to you that the causes of death included things like suicide, car accidents and so on, that anyone can report any adverse event to VAERS, that reports to VAERS cannot prove causation, and that when deaths following Gardasil were investigated "there was no common pattern to the deaths that would suggest they were caused by the vaccine".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242619&highlight=vaers

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208758&highlight=gardasil&page=138

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208758&highlight=gardasil&page=159

 

[Clayton Moore]

Yes, I'm certain you are running your car on water and recommending cannabis as a cure-all for cancer.

You have a true gift. The ability to find endless crank websites.

Today's gift is The Wall Street Journal.

Your welcome.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303773704579270651278625462

Merck Voluntarily Recalls One Lot of Gardasil
Small Number of Vials May Contain Glass Particles

Read the headline. If that doesn't imply the tip of the catch me if you can iceberg nothing does.

 

[ehcks]

Today's gift is The Wall Street Journal.

Your welcome.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303773704579270651278625462

Merck Voluntarily Recalls One Lot of Gardasil
Small Number of Vials May Contain Glass Particles

Read the headline. If that doesn't imply the tip of the catch me if you can iceberg nothing does.

As many as 10 vials get contaminated with glass, so they recall the entire 700+ thousand unit lot just to be safe. You're trying to call that evidence of corruption and evil.

But hey, you also brought up recalling cars while talking about VAERS reports of the HPV vaccine, when some of the deaths on VAERS related to HPV were actually by car accidents. So I'm starting to believe you're intentionally wrong, to make some other sort of point.

Are you actually a vaccine shill pretending to be daft and loony?

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=633889

Like argumentative apes, pro-vaccine parents and their physicians start pounding their chest in favor of such statements. They use them to attack anti-vaccine parents, accusing them of “putting vaccinated kids at risk due to a breakdown in herd immunity.”

This is fuzzy logic. And it’s borderline stupid.

After all, if vaccines truly worked, then why would vaccinated kids be at risk?

He forgot to mention the Big Pharma vaccine shills.

 

[Clayton Moore]

As many as 10 vials get contaminated with glass, so they recall the entire 700+ thousand unit lot just to be safe. You're trying to call that evidence of corruption and evil.

But hey, you also brought up recalling cars while talking about VAERS reports of the HPV vaccine, when some of the deaths on VAERS related to HPV were actually by car accidents. So I'm starting to believe you're intentionally wrong, to make some other sort of point.

Are you actually a vaccine shill pretending to be daft and loony?

How does broken glass get OVERLOOKED in a lab environment?

 

[LSSBB]

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=633889


He forgot to mention the Big Pharma vaccine shills.

He didn't mention unicorns either,

 

[Estellea]

Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines


http://sanevax.org/silent-suffering-hpv-vaccines/


Pay no attention to those people. If my sons weren't adults I'd make sure they got all three HPV vaccinations.

Tenpenny; missed the third grade due to vaccine preventable illnesses and has never conducted a second's worth of research. None of the deaths were attributable to HPV vaccines. And I challenge you to show me a single VAERS report directly from the source which is even remotely plausible. Not interested in your usual second and third hand accounts. Anyone can search VAERS, can you? Your references are impeccable as always Clay.

http://experimentalvaccines.org/201...s-recalled-contaminated-with-glass-particles/

743,000 Gardasil Shots Recalled: Contaminated with Glass Particles

FYI
Gardasil is the HPV vaccine that has killed many young girls and disabled many more.

Let me get this straight, in anti-vaxx lala conspiracy land Big pHarma covers EVERYTHING up except when they don't and that's proof that they cover up all the harm they cause. Please tell me vaccine expert Clay, what would miniscule glass fragments do in a syringe and even assuming they could get through the needle tip? Stun me with your medical accumen yet again.

Este

 

[Robrob]

How does broken glass get OVERLOOKED in a lab environment?

It didn't get "overlooked" that's why there was a recall.

Extra bonus points if you can explain how "glass" causes autism?

Extra, extra bonus points if you can explain how glass causes autism more frequently in boys than girls?

 

[Dcdrac]

It didn't get "overlooked" that's why there was a recall.

Extra bonus points if you can explain how "glass" causes autism?

Extra, extra bonus points if you can explain how glass causes autism more frequently in boys than girls?

And if it causes the US specific version too

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://sanevax.org/tripedia-why-were-sids-autism-listed-as-adverse-events/

Tripedia Vaccine: Why Were SIDS and Autism Listed as Adverse Events?

http://www.ashp.org/DrugShortages/NotAvailable/Bulletin.aspx?id=764

Reason for the Shortage

Sanofi Pasteur discontinued Tripedia in 2011. The company will continue to distribute the vaccine until supplies are depleted.
Estimated Resupply Dates

Sanofi Pasteur discontinued Tripedia vaccine. Tripedia (NDC 49281-0298-10) is still currently available; however, depletion of supplies is estimated to occur in the 2nd quarter of 2011.

 

[Estellea]

http://sanevax.org/tripedia-why-were-sids-autism-listed-as-adverse-events/

Tripedia Vaccine: Why Were SIDS and Autism Listed as Adverse Events?

http://www.ashp.org/DrugShortages/NotAvailable/Bulletin.aspx?id=764

They weren't; your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Manufacturers are required to include any and all events reported during clinical trials even when found to be due to other causes. That doesn't mean that any have anything to do with the vaccine.

Este

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://sanevax.org/tripedia-why-were-sids-autism-listed-as-adverse-events/

Tripedia Vaccine: Why Were SIDS and Autism Listed as Adverse Events?

http://www.ashp.org/DrugShortages/NotAvailable/Bulletin.aspx?id=764

Page 11 of the Tripedia product insert states:

“Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS [Sudden Infant Death Syndrome], anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea.”

 

[jdc324]

This is the paragraph that Clayton has quoted part of:

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolenceand apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.

So Clayton, was it possible to establish a causal relationship between those adverse events reports you referred to (autism and SIDS) and the vaccine?