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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Do I see light at the end of your tunnel?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/light+at+the+end+of+the+tunnel

A flicker of vaccine sentience?
What delightfully paranoic spittle-flecked screeding. Why is the "doctor" even relevant? I mean what kind of doctor? For people like Clay who carry on about how evil and awful doctors are, they sure fall over themselves when a "doctor" says something they agree with. Consistency and integrity...not the strong suits of anti-vaxxers.

Este
 
ETA: The stupidity of that web page and of citing it gets worse :boggled:. Looks how it ends - the author is deluded enough to think that the people who died in the "1918-19 flu epidemic" (which actually lasted until December 1920) were killed by aspirin!

ETA2: The 1918 flu pandemic had a high mortality rate throughout the world. A paper in 2009 "proposed that aspirin poisoning had contributed substantially to the fatalities" due to recommendations to use a very large dosage of aspirin. But the USA (lots of aspirin available) had a lower mortality rate than some other countries where there was less aspirin available, e.g. India: Questioning the Salicylates and Influenza Pandemic Mortality Hypothesis in 1918–1919.

I forgot about the linked to PDF at the above crank web site.
Basically it is a lot of paranoia and fantasies from one person about the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation in the UK. Apparently not publishing the minutes of private meetings means that vaccines do not work/cause the diseases they prevent/dance the fandango :D!

Who is the vaccination expert who studied these minutes?
Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD Neural Dynamics Research Group, Dept. of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British
Columbia. IOW an eye doctor :eek:.

Where was this groundbreaking work on vaccination published? In the Lancet? In any prominent medical journal? Bot - in The British Society for Ecological Medicine :eek:!

All sorts of insanity in the very ling (45 pages!) document but one that needs mentioning is his support of Autistic enterocolitis
Autistic enterocolitis is a proposed medical condition by controversial British gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield suggesting a link between a number of common clinical symptoms and signs which he contends are distinctive to autism.[1] The existence of such an enterocolitis has been dismissed by experts as having "not been established",[2] and Wakefield's fraudulent[3][4] studies used inadequate controls and suppressed negative findings in the now-retracted reports. Multiple attempts to replicate his results have been unsuccessful.[5]

Reviews in the medical literature have found no link between the MMR vaccine and autism or with bowel disease.[6][7][8]

Most of Wakefield's coauthors later retracted the conclusions of the original paper proposing the hypothesis,[9] and Wakefield has been found guilty of manipulating patient data and misreporting results in the paper by the General Medical Council.[10][11] His work was later identified to be falsified and described as an "elaborate fraud".[3][4]

Also see:
Wakefield’s “autistic enterocolitis” under the microscope
So what survives of “autistic enterocolitis” after Wakefield’s disgrace and the paper’s retraction? The answer requires an understanding of Wakefield’s mission, which was to discover precisely such a disease. Two years before the paper was published he was hired by a solicitor to help launch a speculative lawsuit against drug companies that manufactured MMR vaccine. And the instrument of their attack was to find what he called at the time “a new syndrome”6 of bowel and brain disease caused by vaccines.

“In contrast to the IBD cases, which have a prima face [sic] gastrointestinal pathology, children with enteritis/disintegrative disorder form part of a new syndrome,” said Wakefield and the lawyer in a confidential submission for legal aid funding for the project in June 1996, before any of the 12 children in the paper had been investigated. “Nonetheless, the evidence is undeniably in favour of a specific vaccine induced pathology.”9

But when the children were brought in to the Royal Free for ileocolonoscopy, between July 1996 and February 1997, a snag in Wakefield’s project emerged. The hospital’s pathology service repeatedly judged colonic biopsy samples to be unexceptional, and thought bowel disease was a possibility in only one child.
 
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i think autism is not something you "get" based on what I have read while participating in this thread it is something you are born with like Dyslexia, I am dyslexic I was born that way, I did not "get" dyslexia nor did a vaccine cause it to happen to me either.
 
Not facts a youtube video not exactlly known as a source of trustworthy information.

Now

WHERE is the Verifable evidence that:

1. MMR causes Autism

2. vaccines cause Asthma

3. Vaccines are impacting on evolution

4. US children have a US specific verision of autism?
 

Fact, has had all recommended vaccines, no signs of autism.
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Vaccine facts.
Anti-vaccine propaganda full of paranoia and lies from a political lobbying group :jaw-dropp.
The Canary Party presents a video on the corrupt Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to show how the federal government and pharmaceutical companies continue to get away with claiming that vaccines don't cause autism in the face of mounting evidence that they are doing just that in a growing number of children.

They do have a link to "Scientific evidence showing the vaccine/autism link" which is the usual bunch of cherry-picked, weak, often irrelevant papers. It looks like a regurgitation of the list debunked in
Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 1)
Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 2)
Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 3)
Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 4) [/QUOTE]

For example the first paper:
Correct citation: Gallager CM, Goodman MS, Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002. J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2010;73:(24):1665-77.

Very weak study with numerous flaws. Debunked at (among others):
•http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/17/another-weak-study-proves-vaccines-cause-autism/
•http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/09/16/autism-causation-and-the-hepatitis-b-vaccine-no-link/
•http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2013/05/mind-institute-no-difference-in.html
•http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_...and-autism-diagnosis-nhis-1997-2002-2010.html

A related study from 2008 by the same team is discussed as paper #43
 
I don't wish you ill but you're playing with fire if that's true.
My children have also been vaccinated and no autisticooties. In fact one made a developmental gain after one of his vaccinations. I didn't report it to VAERS though.

Este
 
I don't wish you ill but you're playing with fire if that's true.

Well, I had them all too, so did my wife, & her sister, & her sister's kids, & all of my cousins & their kids, my doctor's kids, his grandkids, my son's doctor's kids & grandkids, neighbor's kids... etc... no autisim.

Maybe you should actually read those studies you asked for then ran from.
 
Well, I had them all too, so did my wife, & her sister, & her sister's kids, & all of my cousins & their kids, my doctor's kids, his grandkids, my son's doctor's kids & grandkids, neighbor's kids... etc... no autisim.

Maybe you should actually read those studies you asked for then ran from.

That's a lot of kids. Not one case of autism? That's how I know that's a whopper.


While you're at it get a list of doctor's children under 5 years old in the USA who are autistic. 300 will do.
 
That's a lot of kids. Not one case of autism? That's how I know that's a whopper.

It's perhaps a few dozen kids, and you can't believe none of them is autistic? Clayton, what proportion of vaccinated children and unvaccinated children do you imagine are autistic? I mean very roughly - ballpark percentages. I'm genuinely curious to know what sort of world you imagine you inhabit.
 
That's a lot of kids. Not one case of autism? That's how I know that's a whopper.


While you're at it get a list of doctor's children under 5 years old in the USA who are autistic. 300 will do.



How about this first: Give a biologically plausible mechanism in which a vaccine can cause autism or any of the maladies you pretend to think that vaccines cause.
 
That's a lot of kids. Not one case of autism? That's how I know that's a whopper.


While you're at it get a list of doctor's children under 5 years old in the USA who are autistic. 300 will do.
Why doctors? Aren't they just big fat lying pharma shills out to jab babies with "gunk"?

Este
 
That's a lot of kids. Not one case of autism? That's how I know that's a whopper.
Do you have any evidence that any of them are autistic?


While you're at it get a list of doctor's children under 5 years old in the USA who are autistic. 300 will do.

Why should I do that much research when you have shown repeatedly that you will ignore the very evidence you ask for?
 
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That's a lot of kids. Not one case of autism? That's how I know that's a whopper.


While you're at it get a list of doctor's children under 5 years old in the USA who are autistic. 300 will do.

Why not do your own data collection? You made the claim; you should support it with honest figures.

Anecdotally, I can attest to 35 people in 3 generations, all of them vaccinated according to the prevalent wisdom at their appropriate age, (...and when I say, "according to the wisdom of their appropriate age", do consider that 4 of us went through the 1960 version of the "foreign service jabs" that were considered de rigeurfor Americans relocating to the tropics....) not one of whom is autistic.
 
Why not do your own data collection? You made the claim; you should support it with honest figures.

Anecdotally, I can attest to 35 people in 3 generations, all of them vaccinated according to the prevalent wisdom at their appropriate age, (...and when I say, "according to the wisdom of their appropriate age", do consider that 4 of us went through the 1960 version of the "foreign service jabs" that were considered de rigeurfor Americans relocating to the tropics....) not one of whom is autistic.

Tell that tommy rot to the parents of the 1 of 88, and 1 out of 55 statistics quoted on TV.
 
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