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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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000063 said:
So your saying "vaccine injuries" are biased along gender lines?

And you don't think that's really relevant at all?

Depending on who you ask, the prevalence of Autism among boys is because typical boy behavior is misdiagnosed as Autism. Maybe there's a social component. But if boys and girls get more or less the same shots, and Autism is much more prevalent in boys, that means there's more in play than just vaccines.
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http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=604

Boys are physically different from girls so it stands to reason they may be more or less prone to vaccine injury after a particular immune system stimulating gunk is entered into their body through the skin.
 
Clayton that article does not mention vaccines at all, it is about possible chromosomal differences in behavioural patterns.
 
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Dcdrac said:
Clayton that article does not mention vaccines at all, it is about possible chromosomal differences in behavioural patterns.
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Different is different. If you're physically different it's likely you'll react differently to immune system stimulating vaccine gunk entered into your body through your skin. Different chemical arrangements different reactions to the immune system stimulating vaccine gunk.
 
clayton the article does not mention vaccines and only discusses some research that is currently under discussion and not accepted as final.

no where does it discuss the chemical effects of vaccines, it does discuss natural chromsomal processes.
 
Clayton Moore said:
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Boys are physically different from girls so it stands to reason they may be more or less prone to vaccine injury after a particular immune system stimulating gunk is entered into their body through the skin.
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It only "stand to reason" in a vacuum of knowledge.

With autism there's an obvious connection to the sex chromosomes. There's even a study of females with Turner Syndrome (females only having one X chromosome) where it was found those with the maternal X were as likely to have autism as an XY male where those with the paternal X were as likely to have autism as an XX female....and that's not even a new finding.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13554799908402746#preview
 
Time for a song.
Brothers in heart united,
Raise we our voice today
Now let our vow be plighted,
To sweep this law away.
Say shall our little children
Suffer around us still,
Curs’d by a cruel custom,
Doomed by a despot will.
Brothers, we’re marching onward
Progress lies on before;
Fain would the hand of terror
Close up the burning door.
Seizing our new-born infants,
Blighting their lives with pain;
Filling their veins with poison,
Tainting each tender brain
Brothers, our fathers suffered,
Died that we might be free;
Died that a faith unfettered,
Right of each soul should be,
Yet doth a dark superstition
Peril the health of all;
Built on the sands of error,
Pray we it soon may fall!
​
The "Anti-Compulsory Vaccination Hymn", popular more than a hundred years ago with the anti-vax idiots of the time, eager to let their children suffer smallpox.
Little changes. Thought at least smallpox is gone, eliminated by vaccines not better diet or sanitation.
 
 
 
 
Clayton Moore said:
Different is different. If you're physically different it's likely you'll react differently to immune system stimulating vaccine gunk entered into your body through your skin. Different chemical arrangements different reactions to the immune system stimulating vaccine gunk.
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Clayton Moore, writing gibberish about imaginary "vaccine gunk" doe not make you look knowledgeable about vaccines.
If you have scientific evidence that there are gender based differences in the immune system that makes males react differently (and worse!) to vaccines than females then present that scientific evidence.
Not that we expect anything from you :D :
From Clayton Moore's 32 unanswered questions since 4 March 2013!
Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013

The actual science is that autism has a generic cause and so different rates between genders is not unexpected. The diagnosis of ASD includes behavior analysis and boys behave differently than girls. Females may also have better verbal skills than males.
Autism: why do more boys than girls develop it?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Different is different. If you're physically different it's likely you'll react differently to immune system stimulating vaccine gunk entered into your body through your skin. Different chemical arrangements different reactions to the immune system stimulating vaccine gunk.
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Please explain the mechanism by which, as you claim, this "vaccine gunk" goes directly to the GI tract.
 
To illustrate the lengths that anti-vaccine people will go to support their fantasy, at least one proponent made up a list of papers that show that vaccines cause autism.
Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 1)
There is a paid anti-vaccine activist by the name of Ginger Taylor, who claims she has "proof" that vaccines cause autism and other conditions.
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The list recently has been getting a lot of play, so a group of pro-science bloggers and writers reviewed the list in detail. No, the 72 papers do not show that vaccines can cause autism
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There are now 81 papers displaying a rather cavalier attitude toward the truth, e.g. Neurological Adverse Events of Immunization: Experience With an Aluminum Adjuvanted Meningococcal B Outer Membrane Vesicle Vaccine whose autism discussion is that the link has been debunked:
Successful prophylaxis removes the disease, thereby making minor or alleged negative vaccine effects very visible with obvious consequences. Recent examples are the events regarding the MMR vaccine and autism,[4] and thimerosal causing different neurological events.[5] Both allegations have been rejected by large and thorough studies.[6]
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•Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 2)
•Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 3)
•Those Lists of Papers Claiming That Vaccines Cause Autism: They Don't Show What They Claim (Part 4)
 
Whoa there. He's not saying it's environmental. He's just saying boys and girls are "physically different", which is totally not a handwave.
 
http://livefreelivenatural.com/vaccine-hoax/

Freedom of Information Act filed in the US with the CDC by a doctor with an autistic son, seeking information on what the CDC knows about the dangers of vaccines, had by law to be responded to in 20 days. Nearly 7 years later, the doctor went to court and the CDC argued it does not have to turn over documents. A judge ordered the CDC to turn over the documents on September 30th, 2011. -
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See more at: http://livefreelivenatural.com/vaccine-hoax/#sthash.jBVm856a.dpuf

http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf
 
And how does any of that prove autsim is caused by MMR and vaccines?

How does any of that prove that vaccines cause asthma?

How does any of that prove that vaccines impact on evolution?

How does any of that prove children in the US have a US specific version of Autism?
 
Clayton Moore said:
A flicker of vaccine sentience?
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Unfortunately we know that your vaccine sentience is suffering from a bad case of Alzheimer's disease, Clayton Moore :D:
From Clayton Moore's 32 unanswered questions since 4 March 2013!
Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013

Everyone knows that boys and girls are physically different. That does not mean that people are free to make up stuff about boys and girls just because they are different :jaw-dropp!
However I agree with:
Clayton Moore said:
Boys are physically different from girls so it stands to reason they may be more or less prone to vaccine injury after a particular immune system stimulating gunk is entered into their body through the skin.
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Boys may be less prone to vaccine injury than girls :eek:.
Boys may be more prone to vaccine injury than girls :eek:.
Boys may be exactly as prone to vaccine injury as girls :eek:.

This has nothing to do with the fact that there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism or many of the other of your claims (cancer, asthma, whatever the flavor of the month on crank web sites is!)
 
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