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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Poor Rudy

Of course not. Five days before Guede killed Meredith, he broke into a private school and waited around until the proprietor showed up in the morning with a maintenance man. What was he thinking then? Who knows. This guy was a dumb criminal.


But Charlie,
Poor Rudy just needed an Internet connection!

"Back in Milan on October 27, Maria Del Prato walked into her office in her nursery school to find a young black man unhooking the cable to her computer in order to plug it into his laptop. This was Rudy Guede and Ms. Del Prato said he was very relaxed. He advised her not to worry. He hadn’t taken anything."


From Nina Burleigh's book: A Fatal Gift of Beauty: The Trials of Amanda Knox

Linked article thru:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981070613


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Ah, the real reason Rudy Guede was packin' that 11" knife in a nursery school:
He was armed with an 11-inch kitchen knife, telling police he had to “protect” himself against thieves.
:rolleyes:

What,
was Guede worried that someone was gonna steal his womans gold watch
or that stolen laptop he was tryin' to get online with?
Hmmmm...
 
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Knox and Solelcito got generic mitigation at their first instance trial. They got their sentencing reduced from life to 24 years. They obtained this benefit on their first instance, while Guede managed to obtain this only on his appeal.
And the mitigation awardd to Knox and Sollecito was basically the reason why Guede got it on his appeal.

This is puzzling to me. As I understand it, every trial outcome in Italy is under review --- by which I mean, not considered final until it has been validated by the SC.

So why would the sentence given to A & R in their original trial have sufficient weight to justify changing someone else's sentence? Wasn't that original result for them considered, more or less by definition, to be tentative? If the SC had validated the Hellman rulings, wouldn't that mean that Guede had been given a super break based on nothing?
 
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Once again we enter the arena of insanity or psychotic break. Rudy had just killed and molested a girl and god only knows what bizarre thoughts or ideas were racing through his head.
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Rudy Guede appears to be 1 strange dude.
From the article that I linked above, I re-read this:
Rudy never wanted to go home and was always happy to sleep on the floor of the apartment Victor shared with roommates. This only became a problem when Rudy started displaying very strange sleeping disorders. His eyes were normally droopy and during these attacks one couldn’t tell if he was awake or asleep. Rudy would rise in the middle of the night and, using a dresser as a black board, teach a lesson as though he was a professor, moving seamlessly between Italian and English. The students found this particularly unsettling. When he awoke in the morning he had no memory of the event. He told his friends that at home he had to hide his keys from himself because he tended to get up in this state and wander the streets, only to awaken miles from his home.

He also had periods of crawling on the floor and barking like a dog.

After his arrest, these behaviors were classified as psychogenic dissociative state or Fugue State, often associated with multiple personality disorder and nearly always the result of childhood sexual and physical abuse.
 
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Hey ya'all,
I'm really into diggin' up as much info on Guede as possible.

Recently I recall reading something else new to me,
that witnesses reported Rudy Guede was out until 4:30am after Meredith was murdered.
But I forgot to add the source to my list.

Anyone remember this?
Thanks, RW


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Never mind, I found the link,
which covers a lot of Rudy Guede's trial also:
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C236/
 
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I suspect when the rock broke through the glass and hit the interior closed shutter, it not only forced the interior shutter open but caused the window frame to open along with it.

Of course I'm speculating like everyone else, so there may be facts I'm unaware of that would change my opinion


What you are missing is a view of the latch mechanism for that window. There is a rod attached to the inside edge of the right window running from top to bottom. At each end of this rod are hooks that engage recessed slots in the casement securley holding the right window closed. An overlapping lip on the right window holds the left window closed.

In the center of the rod is a lever handle that rotates the rod to engage the hooks. The lever handle can also pivot up and down. Oposite the lever handle on the left window is a simple catch that the lever can be slid behind when both window are closed that holds the lever in the latched position.

When closed, the lever handle is in front of the left inner shutter so as to hold it closed too.

If the left shutter were latched behind this lever handle when the rock was thrown through the window, there would be a large divot in the inner shutter where it hits the latch handle and the catch would be deformed. Neither of these events are visible. With the inner shutter not fully closed behind the latch handle, the latch mechanism would be visible from the outside.
 
Why hasn't some Italian prosecutor gone after PQ et al. for their remarks about Hellmann?

I believe the answer to that question lies in the US Bill of Rights. The guilters hide behind the American flag, enjoying the free speech privileges inherent in hosting their hate sites from this country -- the privileges they are content to see withheld from Italian journalists.

PQ and his like-minded thugs have defamed probably a couple of dozen public figures by now. Of course, in the United States the legal system won't sue for defamation on behalf of a public figure as they do in Italy; the public figure has to do it himself. It's expensive, though, and most people are not as small and petty as Mignini, anyway.

(This is the point at which Machiavelli comes in and says Mignini had no choice but to sue Sfarzo, it was required by Italian law. Machiavelli himself had the foresight to post only in the US, thus avoiding being prosecuted for actually doing to Hellmann what Mignini and the guilters wrongly claim Sfarzo did to Mignini.)
 
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I believe the answer to that question lies in the US Bill of Rights. The guilters hide behind the American flag, enjoying the free speech privileges inherent in hosting their hate sites from this country -- the privileges they are content to see withheld from Italian journalists.

PQ and his like-minded thugs have defamed probably a couple of dozen public figures by now. Of course, in the United States the legal system won't sue for defamation on behalf of a public figure as they do in Italy; the public figure has to do it himself. It's expensive, though, and most people are not as small and petty as Mignini, anyway.
(This is the point at which Machiavelli comes in and says Mignini had no choice but to sue Sfarzo, it was required by Italian law. Machiavelli himself had the foresight to post only in the US, thus avoiding being prosecuted for actually doing to Hellmann what the guilters wrongly claim Sfarzo did to Mignini.)

Mignini (and others) went after Curt Knox and Edda Mellas for things they were quoted as saying in U.K. newspapers, and Mignini went after the West Seattle Herald. Perhaps the reason why Hellmann does not go after folk like Machiavelli or P.Q. is because he does not want to use Italiy's legal system to persue personal vendettas.

However, if Machiavelli thinks that he's shielded because he's used internet platforms based in Seattle, New York, and the U.K.... he will have another thing coming, if and when folk like Hellmann decide they've had enough. Those people know how to engage Italy's legal machinery, as does Mignini.

But then it comes to delivering.... once again, I'm looking for confirmation that Mignini's own performance at Sfarzo's defamation trial was poor.

At the end of the day, Italy's taxpayers are the ones who lose. Powerful/connected men/women are able to use unlimited sources of money to pursue affronts to "their honour". Both Comodi and Mignini dodged a bullet on the issue of the squandering of 186,000 Euros.

Once the court actions against Knox/Sollecito are finished, or have lapsed for lack of action... perhaps then that's the time there will be actions the other way. This whole thing is so sad.
 
But Charlie,
Poor Rudy just needed an Internet connection!

"Back in Milan on October 27, Maria Del Prato walked into her office in her nursery school to find a young black man unhooking the cable to her computer in order to plug it into his laptop. This was Rudy Guede and Ms. Del Prato said he was very relaxed. He advised her not to worry. He hadn’t taken anything."


From Nina Burleigh's book: A Fatal Gift of Beauty: The Trials of Amanda Knox

Linked article thru:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981070613


ETA:
Ah, the real reason Rudy Guede was packin' that 11" knife in a nursery school:

:rolleyes:

What,
was Guede worried that someone was gonna steal his womans gold watch
or that stolen laptop he was tryin' to get online with?
Hmmmm...


That article made me very sad for Guede. Without respect to the murder, it's clear he has strong mental problems not of his own doing. It's strange how human irresponsibility propagates from one to another. Very, very unfortunate.
 
That article made me very sad for Guede. Without respect to the murder, it's clear he has strong mental problems not of his own doing. It's strange how human irresponsibility propagates from one to another. Very, very unfortunate.
This is not sensible. Rudy is claiming an ambition to teach, knowing that this is possible if he consorts with the prosecution to incarcerate innocent people, people he knows are innocent, for the duration of their procreative lives.
 
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Burglary / staging

My 2 pence (or cents if you're that way inclined) on the burglary / staging:

Either:
a) Rudy Guede was let into the house 'legitimately' by Meredith.
(Either through a chance meeting outside the cottage - most likely - or he did have a prearranged date with her - very unlikely)

b) Rudy Guede broke in.

c) Amanda and Raff let Guede in, and he was there legitimately.

It boils down to either he broke in and was there illegitimately (the break in was real) or he was let in and was there legitimately. In ANY scenario where Rudy was at the cottage legitimately, he then has a good reason to stage a burglary (to imply that the person who killed Meredith was someone who did not have legitimate access).
The trouble has been that the courts, when thinking about the burglary vs. staging issue, have focused on key holders rather than legitimacy of being within the dwelling. The latter group is a lot bigger than the first group, but this fact and its implications appears to have eluded so many in this case.
No, in fact, scrap that. There's current residents (legitimate key holders), illegitimate key holders, and legitimately has access to the property. The courts even ignored this second group. In the UK, when you rent a property, you get one set of keys. If there's more of you in the household, or if you want a spare, or you want to give a set to the pet sitter / gardener etc, then you have extra sets of keys cut. Then when you move out, you hand back over the original set. But you still have the 4 other versions, and it's not common practice to change the locks between tenants. The uncomfortable fact is that there is probably about 20 sets of keys to my house floating about amongst the previous 10 years worth of tenants....
The other thing the PGP fail to recognise is that c) could be true without Amanda and Raffaelle being murderers and without them 'aiding and abetting'. In the UK, there are charges like 'perverting the course of justice' for just such situations.
 
.... My guess is that the glass on the sill was lined up when the shutters were pulled shut after entry.
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Yes, Anglo, remember him? used to point this out quite often. It is exactly what one would expect Rudy to do after entering.

An interesting thing I notice is that there is no visible glass on the strip of sill which is directly under the window frame when the window frame is closed. That indicates to me that the window frame was closed while the glass was being broken, and remained closed until Rudy reached through the broken glass, unlatched and opened it.

It also indicates to me, along with all the other indicators, that the window was not broken from the inside while being held open, per Massei's hypothesis, because flying glass would not have avoided just that portion of the sill.

Speaking of which, how is it fair for Massei to make up his own explanations after the trial is over? The window breaking method, the knife transport method, changing the prosecution team's premeditated hypothesis to non-premeditated, moving the speculated Time of Death, were examples if I am not mistaken. How is the defense team supposed to defend against speculations that are made after the trial is over?
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This what I love about the guilter side. It's a lot like a mystery book, or detective game,where all the evidence points towards one person, but the intrepid detective pulls together clues proving the obvious suspect cannot be guilty and then names the actual culprit.

Those are my thoughts as well. The Perugia investigators seem to have been trained by playing Cluedo and watching crime dramas based on Agatha Christie. All the possible suspects are named in the plot of the story, or have tokens in the game, and the culmination is when Miss Marple or Hercule Poirot gathers everyone involved in the drawing room and explains his/her ice-cold logic, while the 2 police officers wait by the door with the handcuffs to put on the chosen culprit.
As a guilter, you get to play that game in a non-fictional context, using the Italian legal structure as you clue finder. You win when you put together a complete internally consistent scenario of how the crime could have occurred that does not conflict with known facts. It differs from the fictional game also in that here the actual killer is a given fact, so the question is how else could it have happened.

That's only because their game of Cluedo and acting out a crime drama ended on 6 November 2007. Everything since has had the purpose of turning the conclusion of the Cluedo/crime drama into reality. They've already had to modify it by swapping Lumumba for Guede, who - horrors - wasn't one of the original Cluedo tokens/Agatha Christie characters.
It's lots of fun.

The rules are:
Do not ask the actual killer what happened. ( way too easy)
Limit your suspect pool to Knox and Sollecito.
Never let the fact that you are merely exercising your imagination get in the way of your belief in the truth of whatever it is you cook up in your head.

It sounds way fun. I almost wish I was a guilter.

This is when the similarity with Cluedo and Agatha Christie ends, because it's a phase of the game/drama which doesn't correspond.
 
It wasn't an attempt on my behalf to belittle you. But thanks for the condescension in reply anyhow - very good!

You see, if somebody doesn't use the "quote" function correctly, and/or employs incomprehensible grammar, it makes a discussion extremely hard to follow. For example:



QUOTE=yimyammer;9692860] I always felt this was the case. I've remodeled old homes for the past 20+ years and the old wood windows were very easy to open. Even if they were latched. I could just force double hung windows upward and the wood was so old the screws on the latch couldn't keep the window from being opened. The one's I couldn't open were because they were painted shut[/]. I've had that experience with old wood windows too, particularly if they are made of pine.

Its even worse with french windows that open inward and have no middle structure or throw bolts to help keep them secure. This is what I see in Filomena's window. When I encountered windows or doors with set ups like hers and no throw bolt at the top and bottom to keep one of the doors or window sashes fixed, you could simply push them open because a latch doesn't do much besides keep them closed.

But latches can sometimes act as a barrier in a certain way, as I found out when I was fixing windows in Abyssinia in the late 1970s.

I suspect when the rock broke through the glass and hit the interior closed shutter, it not only forced the interior shutter open but caused the window frame to open along with it. And that's why the glass went inwards instead of backwards to the outside ground below the window.

Of course I'm speculating like everyone else, so there may be facts I'm unaware of that would change my opinion




Which part of the above text was yimyammer's post, and which part of it was my reply to that post? Can you tell, without going back to yimyammer's post and comparing it with the text I've written above?

As I said, please can you take a little care to format your posts in an intelligible fashion. Thank you.

To be fair, both Grinder and acbytesla and others on the PIP side have committed the same error - on at least one occasion when an exchange of multiple posts by them were affected by a broken QUOTE tag pairing. And you risk creating the same chain reaction by including one in your own reply (beginning "QUOTE=yimyammer ..."), which I've modified by deleting the opening "[" to prevent this happening.

Note to all: please use the "Preview Post" function to check that your post has formatted the way you intended. Failing that, please check that it has uploaded correctly to the forum, and use the edit function to repair any broken tags. A common mistake is highlighting the final sentence of a quote, and overlapping the trailing endquote tag (i.e., "/QUOTE"), thereby breaking it. I've had to do the same in replying to LJ here, because of his illustration of Briars's misuse of QUOTE tags.
 
Leeds world ranking 2011-12: 133
2012-13: 142
2013-14: 139 (tied with Colorado School of Mines)

Doesn't matter. But if we are quoting the Times rankings, let's do it accurately.

Hi Sonia!

Actually Leeds U and UW would be ranked LOWER if Colleges were included in the rankings as well. For those O/S USA colleges here are post high school higher learning institutions with bachelor degree programs but no or limited post graduate programs such as Masters or PhD degrees. For example Carleton College in Northfield Minn (#6 on the college list) is probably much more exclusive and more rigorous than either UW or Leeds. If we merged both lists Leeds would be no better than 175 and may even fall below 200.
Here is the link
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges
 
Exactly. And it's one of many classic examples of the Perugia police/PMs twisting evidence to fit a pre-ordained theory.

In the case of the break-in (and in every other area), one is supposed to look at the available evidence with a neutral, objective eye, and to let the evidence guide you towards a theory. Here, all the evidence points to a real break-in: the glass pattern is in line with a real-break-in; the damage to the window and shutters is in line with a real break-in; the feasible route of ascent is in line with a real break-in; the position and condition of the rock is in line with a real break-in; the feasible position for the throwing of the rock from the outside is in line with a real break-in.

In other words, the actual evidence leads to a tentative theory that there was indeed a real break-in. That should be the kicking off point. If authorities find other evidence that suggests a staging (and exclusively a staging), then they are entitled to modify their theory. But they didn't.

Instead, what they did was this: they decided "intuitively" a) that Knox and Sollecito were involved in the murder and a subsequent clean-up; and b) that the break-in had been staged. They then went looking for "evidence" to support their pre-determined "staging" theory. They made every piece of evidence "fit" the theory, rather than the other way round. No glass on the ground outside? Aha! That's because the cunning Knox and Sollecito "must" have held the window open at 90 degrees and smashed through the outer pane, thus ensuring that no glass broke to the outside! And worse than that for Knox and Sollecito: no glass on the ground outside even proves that this was a staging, since a real rock thrown from outside would have caused some of the broken glass to project backwards!! Ahaaa!! (Oh, what's that? We didn't actually check properly for very small pieces of glass in the scrubby grass below the window, and nor did we photograph the ground? Oh well, no matter: we have the anecdotal evidence of a police officer - that should suffice, yeah?!)

According to Machiavelli, b) preceded a) in the reasoning.

Actually it's quite the contrary; the perception that the break in was staged preceeded all narrative about the crime. Actually it even preceeded the discovery of the body. Battistelli and Marzi suspected it was staged even before they discovered the murder.

As you say, nobody really thought seriously about the possibility of a real break-in, even after they learned that a serial B & E with rocks perpetrator was on the scene.

Nobody ever seriously considered that the break could be an authentic one, it just doesn't look so, and nobody ever will.

Based on this ASSumption, they started looking at key holders and got hold of Amanda Knox, who wiggled her hips inappropriately as the wrong policeman was gazing with rapt attention.

It is hard to get hold of the starting point of the Möbius reasoning where each of these things is taken as proof of the other, depending on who is telling the story.
 
Mignini (and others) went after Curt Knox and Edda Mellas for things they were quoted as saying in U.K. newspapers, and Mignini went after the West Seattle Herald. Perhaps the reason why Hellmann does not go after folk like Machiavelli or P.Q. is because he does not want to use Italiy's legal system to persue personal vendettas.

Either that, or he does not take them seriously. There are very few people who buy into the nonsensical idea that Hellmann was paid off.

Judge Hellmann seems to me to be a sensible and principled person, based on what I have read in his motivations report and what he has said in interviews.
 
I believe the answer to that question lies in the US Bill of Rights. The guilters hide behind the American flag, enjoying the free speech privileges inherent in hosting their hate sites from this country -- the privileges they are content to see withheld from Italian journalists.

I re-read it and on the second read I noticed you wrote "guilters"; at firset I thought you were meaning "innocentisti", describing what the pro-Knox people do; I'm not joking. I understand that my implicit pov was the reason of my first, let's say "automatic" interpretation.

PQ and his like-minded thugs have defamed probably a couple of dozen public figures by now. Of course, in the United States the legal system won't sue for defamation on behalf of a public figure as they do in Italy; the public figure has to do it himself. It's expensive, though, and most people are not as small and petty as Mignini, anyway.

(This is the point at which Machiavelli comes in and says Mignini had no choice but to sue Sfarzo, it was required by Italian law. Machiavelli himself had the foresight to post only in the US, thus avoiding being prosecuted for actually doing to Hellmann what Mignini and the guilters wrongly claim Sfarzo did to Mignini.)

It's good to point out that Mignini has sued a relatively small number of people if you compare him with the average Italian citizen.

It's not correct to say that legally Mignini had no choice but sue Sfarzo. But I mean that politically, as a public figure, he basically hae no choice but to respond legally to deligitimization campaigns.

But the defamation laws are not designed to protect public figures: they are designed to protect common citizens.

I point out that Hellmann and Vecchiotti have the right to attempt prosecute me under Italian law (this does not go for H & V alone, any citizen has the right to sue anyone), but H&V don't have any interest in waging a legal war against me. That would be a very stupid mistake on their part.
I am not shielded by the American flag at all. Instad I feel shielded by the inherent risk that these people would take if they decide to sue me. They would risk to lose much more than me by taking that move.
 
My 2 pence (or cents if you're that way inclined) on the burglary / staging:

Either:
a) Rudy Guede was let into the house 'legitimately' by Meredith.
(Either through a chance meeting outside the cottage - most likely - or he did have a prearranged date with her - very unlikely)

b) Rudy Guede broke in.

c) Amanda and Raff let Guede in, and he was there legitimately.

Pretty much sums it up

It boils down to either he broke in and was there illegitimately (the break in was real) or he was let in and was there legitimately. In ANY scenario where Rudy was at the cottage legitimately, he then has a good reason to stage a burglary (to imply that the person who killed Meredith was someone who did not have legitimate access).

Agreed and though you demur from saying the date was a real possibility I point out that Meredith and her girl friends most likely were blitzed at the Halloween party and could easily have forgotten that Rudy was present for a time and talked with Rudy. If he only THOUGHT he had made an arrangement to meet her that is all that would be needed.

I have suggested the staging by Rudy possibility before because of the MO. What would the odds be that the kids would have used his? They could have left the balcony doors' shutters open and the door unlocked or the window from the balcony jimmied open e. g.

{quote]The trouble has been that the courts, when thinking about the burglary vs. staging issue, have focused on key holders rather than legitimacy of being within the dwelling. [/quote]s....
The other thing the PGP fail to recognise is that c) could be true without Amanda and Raffaelle being murderers and wiThe latter group is a lot bigger than the first group, but this fact and its implications appears to have eluded so many in this case.
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Like many aspect including the recently discussed staging of the body, just because a staging occurred doesn't mean it was done by Amanda and Raf. It doesn't even point to them. In the case of the window if Rudy, as he said he did, made a date of some sort with Meredith and feared that she had shared that with her girl friends, he could think the staging needed for his story.

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Yes, Anglo, remember him? used to point this out quite often. It is exactly what one would expect Rudy to do after entering.

Miss him dearly.

Speaking of which, how is it fair for Massei to make up his own explanations after the trial is over? The window breaking method, the knife transport method, changing the prosecution team's premeditated hypothesis to non-premeditated, moving the speculated Time of Death, were examples if I am not mistaken. How is the defense team supposed to defend against speculations that are made after the trial is over?
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Since in Italy they apparently "seek the truth" it doesn't trouble me much. Here the jury just says guilty or not guilty and may not buy the prosecutors theory but still believe them guilty.
 
This is puzzling to me. As I understand it, every trial outcome in Italy is under review --- by which I mean, not considered final until it has been validated by the SC.

So why would the sentence given to A & R in their original trial have sufficient weight to justify changing someone else's sentence? Wasn't that original result for them considered, more or less by definition, to be tentative? If the SC had validated the Hellman rulings, wouldn't that mean that Guede had been given a super break based on nothing?

1. a preliminary note: actually it’s not that simple. I have this speculation – I acknowledge that this point contains a persona speculation – but that is: I think that, had the SC validated the Hellmann verdict, they would not have validated the Guede appeal. You need to consider the Guede validation and the H&Z annulment as a complementary parts of a consistent way of assessing by the SC. If the SC accepted Guede and accepted H&Z they would have been contradictory, they would have caused a conflitto di giudicati, which opens the road for a possibility of case review. Instead the SC accepted the Guede trial conclusion which convicted him for “concurring with other people” to the crime of murder, and there is no trace of other people but Knox and Sollecito as for the findings of the Guede trials.
This first point is the less important anyway.

2. when Guede was sentenced to 16 years the Hellmann-Zanetti verdict didn’t exist (and even if it had existed, they wouldn’t expect it to survive the SC).

3. more important thing is, the Guede appeal judges are looking at the case from their point of view. The Guede appeal judges accepted the conclusions of the prosecution, Micheli and Massei courts. The H&Z verdict didn’t exist but even if it had existed, the judges make their assessments in the merit of fact findings, and their opinion was that Guede did not act alone, that he committed the crime together with others, and these others were likely the two other suspects who are co-defendants in a parallel trial. The Guede appeal court worked out this scenario, no other scenario. They convicted Guede on this scenario. It makes no sense to object “shouldn’t that original result be considered more or less “tentative” by definition?”, it makes no sense because the judge are doing fact finding, they decided themselves that the scenario was the good one. They were going to believe that scenario and not Hellmann’s one. H&Z actually are ambiguous as for any possible Guede alone scenario, but the judges (Borsini-Belardi) on Guede’s trial cannot be ambiguous, they accepted Micheli and the prosecution and concluded that Guede was not alone.

4. your suggestion that “Guede had been given a super break based on nothing” is curious, to me, because of this emphasis of “huge” applied to Guede alone. It should be pointed out, that in fact Guede was given the same amount of beak as the other two, that is: Knox and Sollecito had their penalty reduced from life to 24 years, Guede had his penalty reduced from 30 years to 16 years, these two things are – legally – exactly the same thing. They got exactly the same reduction. Based on exactly the same grounds (actually, Guede could be legally more entitled to generic mitigation compared to Knox and Sollecito, because they committed further deeds in continuance and never expressed regret). It looks like a huge break because 16 years looks short, but in fact the big cut (from 24 years to 16 years) is only the consequence of Guede choosing the fast track option, the 16-year sentencing in the fast track equates to a 24-year sentencing in regular proceedings. Crini now requested 26 years for Knox and Sollecito, despite he deems to not award them generic mitigation; 26 years without generic mitigation means he is giving them actually a big break.

5. an extension of point 3: the Guede appeal reduction from 30 years to 16 years, awarding generic mitigation (equivalent to a reduction from life to 24 years in a regular trial) is anyway hinging around the judges finding that Guede was not a lone perpetrator. He did not break into the aprtment, he did not assail Meredith committing a sexual violence and a murder alone. The judge foudn that he took part to the violence and murder but that he did not premeditate any crime nor masterminded it. They also thought that he was not the one who gave the fatal blow.
If they believed that he was a kind of serial killed who made everything alone, entered to steal as a burglar and then committed alone all those violent actions, that maybe even raped an agonizing or dead victim like Charlie Wilkes believes, if the judges believed things like that, they would have handed a life inprisonment sentencing.

To conclude: you really have no point saying the Borsini Belardi court should have regarded the Massei conclusions as "tentative". It really makes no sense they would make their findings "depending" on how tentative Massei's finding would be. The Borsini-Belardi needed to draw conclusions on their own, based on the trial papers, and make a choice themselves.
Because of human sense of justice, and because the SC would probably even the sentencings in the end, they decided to give generic mitigation to Guede, because Sollecito and Knox got it (even if they were less entitled to it).
 
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