Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Grinder]

I surrender!

if I'd known you were a girl I'd never have corrected you.

Really I just miss Mary and think the above will bring her out.

 

[kwill]

I surrender!

Well . . . some of us also have degrees from the UW, and we're obviously a little overeager to say how good a school it is.

The bigger issue -- the ridiculous idea that Amanda and Meredith were scholarly & moral opposite numbers -- is what matters. They weren't. They were a lot alike, as far as I can tell, and today ought to be old friends, comparing notes about grad school/first jobs/engagements/travel.

If not for the murdering Rudy Guede, I have not the smallest doubt that's what would be happening today. One of the things I can't forgive is Mignini referring to that evil creature as "poor Rudy." It's unbelievable that a prosecutor would use that phrase to describe someone who murdered an innocent young woman and then went out to the disco.

 

[Grinder]

That's OK. Someone pointed out to me that Williams College has a graduate program in Art History, which contradicts something I wrote upthread. However, I also echo acbytesla and LondonJohn who point out how unimportant the whole ranking issue is, etc.

Easy to say for those that didn't go to a top 25 in the world school. No wonder you root for the ducks . They are rated between 201 - 300.

BCS schools should have to be in the top 100 US schools

The ranking for the ducks came from here

 

[RandyN]

So would you say John Follain is mistaken or his wording is incorrect when he writes that Meredith won a university grant (does not specify Erasmus) and writes she was studying both European politics and Italian while at Leeds and would continue studying the same while in Perugia?

Yes! That is exactly what I would say about John Follain.

MK had some trouble of some sort getting her scholarship to Italy...she was first refused and only later after an appeal was she granted approval. Pretty sure this was financial approval only. As strictly speaking she was not an Erasmus student. But whatever.

She was certainly a charming, beautiful and loving daughter, a great student and friend who had a full social life...all with the world in front of her yet.

Meanwhile Rudy is preparing for his work release. Italy remains with its head planted firmly up its own ....ahh, in the ground. And yes, why did it take a semi-badly produced TV show to reproduce (poorly) several easily refuted fact-less illogical concoctions of the police and prosecutor? Take the bars away and this climb is easier and it would be a snap to get inside...now the bars would make the entering tougher but the climb is still easy bars or no.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

ranking in molecular biology and biochemistry

Easy to say for those that didn't go to a top 25 in the world school. No wonder you root for the ducks . They are rated between 201 - 300.

BCS schools should have to be in the top 100 US schools

The ranking for the ducks came from here

The Ducks have a decent ranking in molecular biology. BTW so does Washington University in St. Louis. It is very dependent on which subject one examines.

 

[Grinder]

I don't see how the bars make it harder but not really important. He has his head above the sill and could grab through the broken window but I still think the bars make it easier and we don't see him go from hands on the sill to sitting there as the they switch cameras.

Meanwhile the bookkeeper over at .org now has a theory that Raf broke the computers because Filomena's didn't work at the police station.

The kids didn't coordinate an alibi, staged a break-in at the wrong window, left his footprint in blood on the mat and left blood on the sink, but Raf figured when they went to trial if the hard-drives were ruined that would help their defense by saying the PLE were incompetent.

Wow. Just. Wow (apologies to Rose)

 

[RandyN]

if I'd known you were a girl I'd never have corrected you.

Really I just miss Mary and think the above will bring her out.

Mary who?

You just ignored her anyway. ;-) Yep, keep picking on the girls and Mary will fly in here on her broooo...wings of fire!!! To slash thee with the hot tongue...and forget the cold shoulder cuz I'm pretty sure shes married to some lovely man...because the rule says one lovely person must be combined with one ....ahhhh....never mind. That's just something all my ex wives said anyway...lying bitc...beauties.

 

[Grinder]

The Ducks have a decent ranking in molecular biology. BTW so does Washington University in St. Louis. It is very dependent on which subject one examines.

But not as high as the UW (the duckies) and I don't mean Wisconsin

And we have a better football team than Brandeis and Wabash combined

And who cares about WA U in St Louis even if they are a tiny bit higher than the UW?

Chris Petersen Booyah!!!

 

[RandyN]

This is rumour, so please treat it as such.... I am trying to find a cite for it....

One of the present Corte di Cassazione judges is Paolo Micheli, the judge who passed judgement on Rudy Guede's fast track. He also at the same time sent Raffaele and Amanda to trial when he was working at that level in the Italian system.

The rumour is that when Micheli was hearing the case brought by Mignini over the 21 people charged in the Narducci case, Micheli confided that he should never have sent Knox and Sollecito to trial.
If true, please remember the "if" part of this, it is rather stunning.

Confided to who? Or whom?

At some point Micheli probably realized that he would now have to write the Italian version of War and Peace (is it even a thousand pages long?) in motivating his decision against every single piece of Mignini nonsense in that Narducci case...a normal 90 day allowance took Micheli over a year to write so he must have gotten special dispensation of some sort. By then he must have understood that one certain prosecutor was "very special". Indeed!

 

[andreajo]

if I'd known you were a girl I'd never have corrected you.

Really I just miss Mary and think the above will bring her out.

Yeah, right! I have noticed you going easy on the women.

I hope Mary gives you heck!

 

[Bill Williams]

This is rumour, so please treat it as such.... I am trying to find a cite for it....

One of the present Corte di Cassazione judges is Paolo Micheli, the judge who passed judgement on Rudy Guede's fast track. He also at the same time sent Raffaele and Amanda to trial when he was working at that level in the Italian system.

The rumour is that when Micheli was hearing the case brought by Mignini over the 21 people charged in the Narducci case, Micheli confided that he should never have sent Knox and Sollecito to trial.
If true, please remember the "if" part of this, it is rather stunning.

Confided to who? Or whom?

At some point Micheli probably realized that he would now have to write the Italian version of War and Peace (is it even a thousand pages long?) in motivating his decision against every single piece of Mignini nonsense in that Narducci case...a normal 90 day allowance took Micheli over a year to write so he must have gotten special dispensation of some sort. By then he must have understood that one certain prosecutor was "very special". Indeed!

This is why I wanted to make sure this is marked as rumour. I, myself, trust the source of this, but this one needs a cite. I hope I've put the proper caveats on this so that you can vary your mileage as necessary.

Then again, to adopt a guilter method of proof, we could just say that it is iron-clad based on a rumour and an assertion....

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Little Giants

But not as high as the UW (the duckies) and I don't mean Wisconsin

And we have a better football team than Brandeis and Wabash combined

And who cares about WA U in St Louis even if they are a tiny bit higher than the UW?

Over the course of the four years I spent at Wabash, the football team lost 2 games and tied 1. The quarterback was a chemistry major, BTW. Brandeis I will give you.

Isn't it interesting how one of the nicest descriptions of Meredith comes from Amanda. Either she is a great actress, or Amanda thought highly of Meredith. I favor the latter hypothesis.

 

[yimyammer]

What's up everyone!

I'll try to explain better by using Guede's own words from a couple of different sources, ok? Cool.

I've been following this case for several years and somehow I've never heard about Rudys diary

Where did you find that? Is the full thing available to read?

Does he describe how Amanda & Raf joined in?

Thx!

 

[RandyN]

lol theory # 525 coming right up...

as I get it, Crini is ok with the earlier ToD!

Is it common for the prosecution to change their theorys and motives and interpretation of supposed evidence like this?

Im not a professional legal hound , so I really am asking seriously. It seems odd the prosecution has changed their storys and motives and dropped evidence like a cold turd, once it was proven to be wrong.

Why doesn't the prosecution just tell the Judge Nencini "look heres 525 guilter theories....one of them is probably maybe right...now convict them for life! ciao"

This is one of the most concise and accurate descriptions of the Italian Justice system that I have seen in 5 years...bravo.

Sadly the world would see that as a joke. Little do they know...

 

[RandyN]

This is why I wanted to make sure this is marked as rumour. I, myself, trust the source of this, but this one needs a cite. I hope I've put the proper caveats on this so that you can vary your mileage as necessary.

Then again, to adopt a guilter method of proof, we could just say that it is iron-clad based on a rumour and an assertion....

Well then what does God say about it over there at PMF 1 or 2....I forget which now? Any word from "Doctor" Mull on this? I wont believe this until Peg puts out...puts it out ....sorry.

 

[RandyN]

I've been following this case for several years and somehow I've never heard about Rudys diary

Where did you find that? Is the full thing available to read?

Does he describe how Amanda & Raf joined in?

Thx!

Hummm had link but looks like Pervert took it down...I'm sure someone will provide you with one...if not I have it stored somewheres....

 

[MichaelB]

I don't see any transcripts on Amanda;s site, maybe I'm overlooking them. Please provide a link. There are transcripts on IIP. Is that what you meant?

No, it's not what I meant. Here they are.

http://www.amandaknox.com/the-meredith-kercher-murder/

 

[acbytesla]

[/HILITE]

No, it's not what I meant. Here they are.

http://www.amandaknox.com/the-meredith-kercher-murder/

Thanks Michael. Grinder was kind enough to provide a link. The only problem though is that those are in Italian and being the troglodyte I am I don't speak Italian.

 

[RandyN]

Are you sure you looked at this video?

There is no view of the cottage at all in her video. You must be looking at another video.

I didn't get to comment about the video...don't know about lying but why? Why do I have to twist my head ...kinda like reading a Google translation? I don't care why...I find it disturbing.

BTW...the not Guede, running away black guy must have been Lumumba then right?

 

[Strozzi]

But he better than a security guard that's why he saw so much and was able to testify in those other cases. I think it was Comodi that made the argument that homelessness was an asset as he paid attention to his home, so to speak.

He clearly tells the court that they were there from the time he arrives until just before midnight. Every time he looks up they are there.

Rudy knelt by the victim. Rich.

If the kids did as you say they would have had blood all over them. It was a brutal, violent murder. Amanda wileding the knife, Raf holding her down while Rudy violated her. I don't know how Crini's fight over feces fits in.

You need to synchronize each of these elements to the minute and have everything work exactly as you wish for this theory to even start.

Was it Meredith's habit not to text or email in the evening?

They were in the plaza after 9:30 and done with the murder before 10:15?

I thought that Mignini belatedly modified his explanation of the crime to comform to the fact that no evidence exists that places Amanda in Meredith's room. Mignini said that Amanda must have been in the hallway directing the event. So why is Briars arguing against Mignini?