Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[GreyFox]

Maybe that is why the police or prosecution do not want to analyze the substance left on the pillow. Maybe the PLE knew there would be such an outcry against Rudy if it became known what exactly he did with Kerscher on that pillow? Mignini could not concur/facilitate, as he did, a lighter sentence for Rudy in exchange for Rudy's "passive cooperation" against Knox and Sollecito if it became publicly known what exactly Rudy did to the victim.

Mignini is really quite adept at maneuvering between and developing leverage on different suspects, defendants, and attornies representing different interested parties in this case. And withholding evidence when he wants to.

Exactly. It would also fit a rape scenario better than a first date roll in the hay with Guede.

 

[GreyFox]

Wow...we're really speculating to how Meredith and Giacomo had sex? Who cares? None of this has any relevance to Meredith's murder.

No that was not my intention. I asked the big kids for information I was missing that would help make a case for lone Killer named Guede. And ..............Then you chimed in !

There are those who ask and learn and then there are those who are always talking and get behind.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

This did not answer anything I mentioned.

Try again.

Noticable is that the Nov 2011 google street view photos show people crossing at exactly the point you say they would never do. From this point, the window is virtually invisible.

The gate you refer to is to the south. There is simply no reason to cross a road north to get there. You'd simply have to cross back over again.

Also, if the route was so busy (at night, on a day when Italians traditionally spend it with family), then plenty of people would have seen K+S entering and exiting - so pony them up - names? Testimony? Plenty of people would also have seen Guede enter the property - so a rear entry isn't any less risky in terms of being seen.

I was at this location for about an hour, in the middle of the day, and it was all but deserted, with few cars and no pedestrians.

 

[Planigale]

I am a bit confused, can someone enlighten me. Reading the google translation of the prosecution case, it appears that PL attorney is making an argument and re-introducing the interrogation that I thought had been ruled inadmissible by the supreme court. Is the callunia conviction being retried? Or is it just the penalty he argues for the four year sentence. Again there seems to be the argument that AK implicated PL knowing he was innocent (I infer that this can only be true if she was guilty). What is happening?

 

[acbytesla]

No that was not my intention. I asked the big kids for information I was missing that would help make a case for lone Killer named Guede. And ..............Then you chimed in !

There are those who ask and learn and then there are those who are always talking and get behind.

My mistake Greyfox, I thought you were talking about Giacomo not Rudy. I really have a problem actually picturing the crime...it's a little too real for me and bothersome.

 

[Bill Williams]

I am a bit confused, can someone enlighten me. Reading the google translation of the prosecution case, it appears that PL attorney is making an argument and re-introducing the interrogation that I thought had been ruled inadmissible by the supreme court. Is the callunia conviction being retried? Or is it just the penalty he argues for the four year sentence. Again there seems to be the argument that AK implicated PL knowing he was innocent (I infer that this can only be true if she was guilty). What is happening?

All this speaks to the strategy early on to turn Lumumba from seeking redress from the PLE, to going for calunnia against Knox. Mignini thought Raffaelle would soon follow... it's a strategy to keep the illegal interrogation docs in play through the practice of having concurrent trials in front of the same judge panel.

 

[Briars]

Why would Amanda give a brass razoo to that conniving slob Lumumba? She is correctly appealing the conviction for lying. Your suggestion is like lengthening the jail sentence of an innocent person for "showing no remorse".[/QUOT
There is no further chance to appeal her Calunnia she had been convicted and had the SC sign off. She is receiving bad advice and should have paid her fine.

 

[Briars]

Why would Amanda give a brass razoo to that conniving slob Lumumba? She is correctly appealing the conviction for lying. Your suggestion is like lengthening the jail sentence of an innocent person for "showing no remorse".

I was at this location for about an hour, in the middle of the day, and it was all but deserted, with few cars and no pedestrians.

I repeat watch the video on utube ,view from gate piazza grimana ,shot at 8:3o pm Three pedestrians pass and about 10 cars in less than 3 minutes

 

[Grinder]

I will point out just for the record that the noise ticket was not aimed specifically at Knox. She lived in a group house with a number of other female students. They had a party at their house which was noisy. Knox answered the door when a police officer arrived and she, as a resident of the house, took the ticket. She took responsibility - did not flee the way the English girls did. She did not lawyer up the way Filomena did. It was not as if Knox committed the infraction herself.

Actually she shared the house with boys as well and was summoned when the police came to the door and asked for someone living at the house. The party was Amanda's good bye party and was in fact mostly her responsibility.

There was no need to lawyer up since it was a ticket that only needed to be paid. There was no court appearance required or made. No judge ever looked at it any more than he would a parking ticket.

Whether she was "responsible" for the loudness of party really doesn't matter.

The police report:

I was on uniformed patrol in the marked unit as 3U5. At approximately 0028 hours, I responded to the report of a loud party in the listed location. The complainant relayed to dispatch that participants from the party were throwing rocks at his house and at passing cars. The complainant requested officer not contact him. Upon arrival, I noted loud amplified music coming from the listed address. The music could be heard from a distance greater than 75 ft from the source. I also noted several rocks in the street. I did not locate any damage at that time. I contacted a party participant and had them retrieve a resident.

S1/Knox contacted me (in front of the house). She stated that she was one of the current residents. She stated that she was the one who was hosting the party (as she was moving out). She stated that she was not aware of any rock throwers at the gathering.

I issued S1/Knox this infraction for the noise violation and a warning for the rock throwing. I explained how dangerous and juvenile that action was.

See Cad event 264012 for further.

No further action taken at this time.

 

[andreajo]

Why would Amanda give a brass razoo to that conniving slob Lumumba? She is correctly appealing the conviction for lying. Your suggestion is like lengthening the jail sentence of an innocent person for "showing no remorse".

There is no further chance to appeal her Calunnia she had been convicted and had the SC sign off. She is receiving bad advice and should have paid her fine.

The calunnia conviction is being appealed to the European Court of Human Rights. Due process has not yet been exhausted. From Amanda's blog (Nov. 25):

Today, my lawyers filed an appeal of my slander conviction with the European Court of Human Rights. My slander conviction was based on comments I made regarding Patrick Lumumba…comments that were coerced during a lengthy interrogation by Perugia police shortly before I was arrested in 2007. The interrogation took place in a language I barely spoke, without a lawyer present, and without the police informing me that I was a suspect in Meredith’s murder, which was a violation of my human rights. The police were the ones who first brought forth Patrick’s name saying they knew I was going to meet him the night of Meredith Kercher’s murder which was not true. I have stated many times that my original comments about Patrick were coerced by the police and not true.

 

[Skind]

I repeat watch the video on utube ,view from gate piazza grimana ,shot at 8:3o pm Three pedestrians pass and about 10 cars in less than 3 minutes

None of the videos seen contain this.

Link to the exact video you are talking about.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

I am a bit confused, can someone enlighten me. Reading the google translation of the prosecution case, it appears that PL attorney is making an argument and re-introducing the interrogation that I thought had been ruled inadmissible by the supreme court. Is the callunia conviction being retried? Or is it just the penalty he argues for the four year sentence. Again there seems to be the argument that AK implicated PL knowing he was innocent (I infer that this can only be true if she was guilty). What is happening?

My assessment is that they know the media is not paying attention, and they know the court has been instructed to return a conviction, so they are just going through the motions with a lot of hot air.

My theory (just a theory) is that they brought Hellmann in to clean up this mess and get Amanda and her family out of Italy. They knew he could do that because he was set to retire. Now they can do what is necessary to appease the wounded bureaucrats within their system and the political constituency that venerates them. They realize the US will not extradite Amanda. But they will try, so they can proclaim that America is to blame for why "justice" was not done, and they will link her case to the CIA renditions and the cable car disaster.

I don't know how they will deal with Raffaele. In the long run, this hurts him more than it does Amanda. Maybe the court will convict Amanda and acquit Raffaele, or convict him of an accessory charge for which they can say he has already served his time. Or he may have to take refuge in a country with no extradition treaty.

If this is how it plays out, it will not be satisfactory to Amanda and Raffaele or to the historical record. They should be free to live and travel as they see fit. Eventually the system should and I think will exonerate them. But that will take a lot of time, during which their lives will go on. They will have to keep pressing their case without allowing it to define and overwhelm their lives.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

None of the videos seen contain this.

Link to the exact video you are talking about.

I'd like to see it too.

I suppose spurts of activity take place when people drop off and return to their cars, but overall it's a peripheral and somewhat isolated location. I could see how it would appeal to a burglar or rapist.

 

[acbytesla]

Why would Amanda give a brass razoo to that conniving slob Lumumba? She is correctly appealing the conviction for lying. Your suggestion is like lengthening the jail sentence of an innocent person for "showing no remorse".[/QUOT
There is no further chance to appeal her Calunnia she had been convicted and had the SC sign off. She is receiving bad advice and should have paid her fine.

Wrong again. The ECHR is not likely to hold up this conviction.

The conditions around Amanda's interrogation has routinely resulted in the ECHR throwing out convictions.

 

[Briars]

None of the videos seen contain this.

Link to the exact video you are talking about.

Can you google view to cottage gate piazza Grimana? It comes up . The car park is just around the corner of the building on the right. You also will be able to see the view to the gate from the piazza rail. The rail next to the bench where Curatolo sat.

 

[codyjuneau]

You can't be serious with this crap Briars. Even you have to admit that this window could be broken into very easily at 9 o'clock on a cold November night without anyone noticing. So why are you so absurdly adamant at playing this silly game?

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It keeps people discussing Briar's agenda, instead of discussing important issues like what happened to the gold watch Rudy stole, why Rudy was released, why the Perugian police even knew who Rudy was when the Milan police contacted them, how Rudy circumvented the alarm at the lawyer's office, how he gained access to the school, was he a police informant.

Rudy BRUTALLY MURDERED Meredith. Meredith, who just like Raffaele and Amanda would never hurt anyone, who was just a student preparing for an honest life, who just wanted to come home to a quiet apartment, study a bit, and go to bed, had her whole beautiful life and future ended in an instant by a cold heartless savage Rudy and his knife. Rudy, who had absolutely NO business being there. He broke in. He was a burglar. The cottage was dark and empty. He even admits to being there around 8:30 pm and seeing nobody was home. He was a burglar. He broke in. It is what burglars do! I repeat. It is what burglars do!! Let me repeat it one more time. It is what burglars do!! His choice of entry does not depend on Briar's opinion, it depends on his own opinion. He was a burglar. He not only broke in, he broke in the same way he broke into the lawyer's office by climbing the grate to get to the second floor. He was even more visible there, by the way. He used large rocks to break windows for entry. He was a burglar. It is what burglars do!!

So ignore all the evidence that 'poor' Rudy broke in and cut Meredith's throat Briars. Respect for Meredith? CRAP! Protecting Mignini, yeah.
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[Grinder]

This video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qVvdntL5-o

shows just how little of the cottage - nevermind the window - can be seen at night. This primarily due to there being more light in the foreground, and to the spotlighting effect of the lighting at the cottage.

Notice also that it was filmed at 20:30 - yet shows how little foot traffic there was.

Aslo notice how little the car passing at 1:44 illuminated the house.

Play the video again the person filming starts off with a note the camera makes things look a lot darker. If not he would have fallen down those stairs. He is right nothing like seeing it for yourself.

Plastic flowers and a Kodak video box camera. There was next to no traffic or pedestrians. The street had what one car. Why with all the effort the PGP go to, is there no video that shows what you claim.

There just aren't a lot of lights in the area and the cottage sits down low. Yes someone standing at the right part of the road by the rail could see Rudy climbing the wall, but the chance of that is slim to slimmer.

Yes darker but still not highly visible.

 

[GreyFox]

My mistake Greyfox, I thought you were talking about Giacomo not Rudy. I really have a problem actually picturing the crime...it's a little too real for me and bothersome.

NP

 

[acbytesla]

I repeat watch the video on utube ,view from gate piazza grimana ,shot at 8:3o pm Three pedestrians pass and about 10 cars in less than 3 minutes

So??? This is anecdotal and means nothing. I had three trick or treaters this year on Halloween. So given that you would think I would have had 30 over the last 10 years. But guess what? Those 3 are the only trick or treaters that I have had ever.

You keep acting like the cottage was in the middle of Times Square. But it wasn't.

Seriously Briars, Do you really think breaking in through that window is so unbelievable that no one would do it?

My guess is that you are just arguing the company line.

 

[Briars]

I'd like to see it too.

I suppose spurts of activity take place when people drop off and return to their cars, but overall it's a peripheral and somewhat isolated location. I could see how it would appeal to a burglar or rapist.

It isn't at all isolated and is not called a Viale not via for nothing The intersection near Grimana where cars funnel down from is also busy. I walked down there in the day and could not walk much farther then the cottage due to the traffic and lack of shoulder. Again around 8:30 near the dinner hour there were cars There were even people sitting in the upper car park smoking in their vehicle and listening to music.