Is Atheism based on Logic or Faith?

[Scorpion]

The opening post appears to be saying that the quran will survive logical analysis, but Logic tells me the quran is full of falsehoods. One of which is that the quran says at sura 36.38 that the sun goes to a resting place. There is a hadith which explains this fully.
The quran is actually saying the sun orbits the flat earth and is reset every dawn , and I can prove it with the following hadith.

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. Therefore the claim that the quran says the sun has an orbit in the Galaxy is false.

 

[Magyar]

So rather than attempt to answer the question you chose to post a picture of shipping containers? Makes perfect sense.

Makes about as much sense as your post and the ops. Figured i would stay with the theme!

Now do you or the op have ANYTHING new that proves anything other then youre delusional when it comes to sky daddy and wholy unqualified to have a discussion about physics or any other sciences that may actually provide actual evidence to actual questions that can actually be tested.





No didnt think so.

 

[Brian-M]

To address the title of the thread rather than the content of the OP....

Question: Is Atheism based on Logic or Faith?
Answer: Yes, it is based on Logic or Faith.

 

[mikeb768]

Where have I heard the "It's a metaphor" excuse before....

You also had me chuckling at the finest piece of literature bit.

There is no next life, Enjoy and cherish this one while you can and don't waste it with fairy tales.

You never wondered why they don't bother to included the 2nd bit, "rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people", it sounds even more ridiculous than the first.

The sun rises on people, like off the tops of their heads? Or off of their backs? The reason why they never included the second part, is because it exposes the fact that both parts were obviously not meant literally.

 

[bruto]

To address the title of the thread rather than the content of the OP....

Question: Is Atheism based on Logic or Faith?
Answer: Yes, it is based on Logic or Faith.

A bit verbose still. How about this:

Q: Is atheism based on Logic or Faith?

A: Often.

 

[I Ratant]

You never wondered why they don't bother to included the 2nd bit, "rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people", it sounds even more ridiculous than the first.

The sun rises on people, like off the tops of their heads? Or off of their backs? The reason why they never included the second part, is because it exposes the fact that both parts were obviously not meant literally.

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How does one know which parts reflect reality, and which don't?
Personal biases?
How the "word of god" be subjected to picking and choosing?

 

[mikeb768]

Made up, Why do you ask?

Just so I follow you, are you saying that the Jews never left Egypt/Israel or they were never there to being with?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Just so I follow you, are you saying that the Jews never left Egypt/Israel or they were never there to being with?

There's no evidence that the Hebrews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Archaeology points to them having actually been the Canaanites all along. They didn't invade the Holy Land and take it from the people living there, they were the people living there and there was a social revolution that led to an upheaval of the ruling class.

 

[mikeb768]

What about Hinduism, Mormonism, Sikhism etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

There exist a great multitude of other "isms". Some contain small portions of the truth while others not a shred.

Does there exist any process of elimination, which can help to separate fact from fiction?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

There's no evidence that the Hebrews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Archaeology points to them having actually been the Canaanites all along. They didn't invade the Holy Land and take it from the people living there, they were the people living there and there was a social revolution that led to an upheaval of the ruling class.

There is ABSOLUTE proof that the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt -- the Qu'ram says so.

You silly goose you.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

There's no evidence that the Hebrews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Archaeology points to them having actually been the Canaanites all along. They didn't invade the Holy Land and take it from the people living there, they were the people living there and there was a social revolution that led to an upheaval of the ruling class.

Pretty much this.

The sun rises on people, like off the tops of their heads? Or off of their backs? The reason why they never included the second part, is because it exposes the fact that both parts were obviously not meant literally.

Fun fact the LOTR is 100% factual with no errors, Just don't take it literal.

I await to give you your baptism at the shire least ye be smited [smoted?] by Sauron.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

There exist a great multitude of other "isms". Some contain small portions of the truth while others not a shred.

Does there exist any process of elimination, which can help to separate fact from fiction?

Of course there is -- MY HOLY BOOK, the revealed word of God. Not your phony fable. Please do try and keep up.

 

[mikeb768]

I hate to break this to you, Mike, but there is confusion.

A lot of it.

Not only does the Abrahamic god have three incompatible major divisions, but Judaism, Christianity and Islam have also fractured into a virtual kaleidoscope of conflicting ideas.

And then there are the non-Abrahamic religions, and a lot more gods.

Oddly enough, it seems that the more gods a religion has, the less internal strife and chaos it experiences. For the most part the followers of Vishnu are not beating up on the followers of Shiva, and various heathen assemblies cheerfully drink toasts to one another's patron deities.

Perhaps Allah should welcome back the gods of the Ka'aba and put a stop to all this "one true religion" nonsense. If it saves even one life, it'll be worth it.

Jews accept: Adam, Noah, Lot, Moses, David, Abraham, Joseph, (Rejecting Jesus, and Muhammad)
Christians accept: Adam, Noah, Lot, Moses, David, Abraham, Joseph, Jesus (elevating Jesus to the position of God), (Rejecting Muhammad)
Muslims accept: Adam, Noah, Lot, Moses, David, Abraham, Joseph, Jesus (as a righteous messenger of God), and Muhammad

It is really actually quite simple, God never changed.

 

[mikeb768]

Theism is the claim that at least one god exists. Atheism is absolutely everything that doesn't include that claim.

It can come by faith, by logic, by apathy, by ignorance, by essentially anything and everything that isn't "I believe in god/s."

Are you suggesting that Atheism is not necessarily rooted in logic? If so then I would agree. Also the reason that all three statements which are found in the OP can not all be correct.

 

[mikeb768]

Pretty much this.



Fun fact the LOTR is 100% factual with no errors, Just don't take it literal.

I await to give you your baptism at the shire least ye be smited [smoted?] by Sauron.

So when I point out just how lame your "not a metaphor" argument is, you then respond with Lord of the Rings. Right on.

 

[mikeb768]

Makes about as much sense as your post and the ops. Figured i would stay with the theme!

Now do you or the op have ANYTHING new that proves anything other then youre delusional when it comes to sky daddy and wholy unqualified to have a discussion about physics or any other sciences that may actually provide actual evidence to actual questions that can actually be tested.

No didnt think so.

I just asked a basic logic question in the OP. Which was if all 3 statements can in fact be True?

 

[mikeb768]

To address the title of the thread rather than the content of the OP....

Question: Is Atheism based on Logic or Faith?
Answer: Yes, it is based on Logic or Faith.

So it is basically a crapshoot. I kinda figured as much.

 

[Brainache]

It is really actually quite simple, God never changed.

Yes. He has always been a human invention.

So it is basically a crapshoot. I kinda figured as much.

But Religion is never based on Logic. At least some Atheists each their conclusions through reason, that is never true for Religion.

Therefore Atheism wins. Yay.

I guess that means you'll be packing your tents and moving on...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There's no evidence that the Hebrews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Archaeology points to them having actually been the Canaanites all along. They didn't invade the Holy Land and take it from the people living there, they were the people living there and there was a social revolution that led to an upheaval of the ruling class.

mike768, did you miss this?

 

[mikeb768]

Where have I heard the "It's a metaphor" excuse before....

You also had me chuckling at the finest piece of literature bit.

If multiple scholars all seem to agree that the Quran can be regarded as the finest piece of literature in the Arabic language then whats to "chuckle"?

Anwar Chejne, who wrote "The Arabic Language: Its Role in History"
Kristina Nelson, who wrote "The Art of Reciting the Quran"
Stefan Wild, who wrote "Encounters of Words and Texts: Intercultural Studies in Honor of Stefan Wild"
Suha Taji-Farouki, who wrote "Modern Muslim Intellectuals and the Quran"

Maybe a similar type of chuckle was taking place on the decks of the Titanic just before the ship went down? I have heard of cases where people sometimes laugh to keep themselves from crying.