Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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Craig B said:
Notice that the announcement of the deal was made on June 10 and the proposal was to take effect as It did not and it will not. Simply another of Rossi's delaying devices.
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I would not be surprised to learn that he contacted "hopefuls" and proposed a secret deal for a dealership, as a mean to fleece people. Such announcement being messages to those having paid that yes, everything is in order. As a con artist/fraudster Rossi gotta at some point either kill this, or extract money a way or another.
 
Aepervius said:
I would not be surprised to learn that he contacted "hopefuls" and proposed a secret deal for a dealership, as a mean to fleece people. Such announcement being messages to those having paid that yes, everything is in order. As a con artist/fraudster Rossi gotta at some point either kill this, or extract money a way or another.
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I think it's quite possible that he's been engaging in secret deals, but where he has found wealthy morons to make such deals with him is a mystery to me.
 
Craig B said:
I think it's quite possible that he's been engaging in secret deals, but where he has found wealthy morons to make such deals with him is a mystery to me.
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Monied morons are more common than one thinks as there is an incredible amount of money sloshing around these days and no shortage of morons. Just watch CNBC's American Greed show to get an idea of the scale of these things.

No doubt one thing scamsters learn is that a patina of Science endows the scamster with a great deal of immunity from the criminal system. Getting a randomly selected jury to convict in these cases is extremely hard.
 
marting said:
Monied morons are more common than one thinks as there is an incredible amount of money sloshing around these days and no shortage of morons. Just watch CNBC's American Greed show to get an idea of the scale of these things.
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There are morons with their own money, and there are morons with other people's money (maybe yours). I would not be surprised by an E-Cat purchase order showing up from some random US military base, paid for out of poorly-audited funds meant for routine M&O. (Whether or not he would accept such a PO---which I would imagine includes boilerplate anti-fraud clauses---is another question.)
 
I doubt there will be another purchase from anywhere in the US military. The thing with SPAWAR can be explained by the fact that they needed to rule out the possibility, however remote, that Rossi had stumbled onto something valid. At the very least they had to make sure it couldn't be weaponized, by them or anyone else.

I'm not a big fan of technology suppression conspiracy theories, but if the Navy had confirmed any sort of new Physics, they would have done something to obtain Rossi's silence, while actual, real physicists figured out what's going on. If history were to record that Physics changed with this discovery, it would be too big a thing to entrust to a lone crackpot/fraudster who stumbled upon it by blind luck and was in way over his head, because that's the only way it could have happened.

So the fact that these cryptic, half-baked press releases and articles in the "New Energy" press keep dribbling out, just confirms the skeptical viewpoint.
 
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Richard S said:
I'm not a big fan of technology suppression conspiracy theories, but if the Navy had confirmed any sort of new Physics, they would have done something to obtain Rossi's silence, while actual, real physicists figured out what's going on.
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Yes, of course. I'm not suggesting that there's a secret scientific team within the military, like SPAWAR but with purchasing power, with special cold-fusion interests and trust in Rossi.

I'm suggesting that, somewhere out there, there's some staff sergeant of middling intelligence who's been given a $1M budget for replacing the central heating system at Fort Frostbite. And that such a person might fall for Rossi's marketing pitch---"Hey, wow, the specs on this product are just what I was looking for, and the low fuel costs sound great"---just like anyone in the private sector.
 
ben m said:
I'm not suggesting that there's a secret scientific team within the military.
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I'm absolutely sure there is such a team, just like the NSA has people with very high-level mathematical knowledge, so that any new breakthroughs in cryptography are under their control and not someone else's (the scenario that was more-or-less described in the movie "Sneakers").

It's not about whether they believe Cold Fusion is true or not, it's that any claim of a new nuclear reaction pathway has to be checked out by the people who are the modern-day successors to the Los Alamos team during WWII. Whether they exist in the Navy, DARPA, or somewhere else we don't know about is beside the point.

I agree with the rest of what you said BTW. :)
 
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I am absolutely sure there isn't such a team.
You are advocating conspiracy woo of the highest order.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I am absolutely sure there isn't such a team.
You are advocating conspiracy woo of the highest order.
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That wasn't my intention. But you're right, all we're doing is speculating on what the absence of information might mean. I'm sure a lot of people, including those behind the wall of secrecy and security clearances, would be delighted if something real were going on here. I'm sure they are discreetly keeping tabs on this, as are a lot of scientists, because no one knows where the next development in our understanding might come from. That's all.
 
pteridine said:
Sergeants don't sign contracts as you suggest, Ben. Here http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XuKgtxpqL9U/UYQSyPJP-OI/AAAAAAAAJYI/96mRUBJjs1w/s1600/hot-cat.JPG is a photo of an ECat undergoing a destructive test cycle. Do you think it is either photoshopped or faked by having another energy source [thermite comes to mind]?
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I don't know. The rack doesn't seem to be getting very hot.
Seems spectacularly poorly designed as a test rig.
If I were going to work with something that I knew was going to get red hot, I'd probably use something like firebrick to support it, rather than thin steel, so it couldn't sag if it got hot.
If I thought it might melt or catch fire, I'd probably want it on top of something solid so I could hit it with a fire extinguisher without having to work around a bunch of vertical structural members that I don't need.
But maybe that's just me.
 
pteridine said:
Sergeants don't sign contracts as you suggest, Ben. Here http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XuKgtxpqL9U/UYQSyPJP-OI/AAAAAAAAJYI/96mRUBJjs1w/s1600/hot-cat.JPG is a photo of an ECat undergoing a destructive test cycle. Do you think it is either photoshopped or faked by having another energy source [thermite comes to mind]?
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The rack set-up looks like it's made of adjustable shelving parts. I've never seen any of these that weren't painted or powder-coated at the factory. Where's the smoke that would surely be rising from the parts nearest a red and yellow hot metal tube? Why aren't the wiring insulators smoking?

It looks like a piece of plastic with a light bulb inside to me.
 
HighRiser said:
The rack set-up looks like it's made of adjustable shelving parts. I've never seen any of these that weren't painted or powder-coated at the factory. Where's the smoke that would surely be rising from the parts nearest a red and yellow hot metal tube? Why aren't the wiring insulators smoking?

It looks like a piece of plastic with a light bulb inside to me.
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That's exactly what it looks like to me as well.

Why hasn't the insulation on the wires melted yet?
 
ben m said:
I'm suggesting that, somewhere out there, there's some staff sergeant of middling intelligence who's been given a $1M budget for replacing the central heating system at Fort Frostbite. And that such a person might fall for Rossi's marketing pitch---"Hey, wow, the specs on this product are just what I was looking for, and the low fuel costs sound great"---just like anyone in the private sector.
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Several points above conflict with reality. One, a SSG would not be given the job, that's a officer's task, and (b), military contracts have a convoluted and cumbersome process that's designed specifically to prevent cronyism, "Fraud, Waste, and Abuse," and poor decision making like the above. The military has very little in common with the private sector when it comes to spending money.

So, no.

Sorry, you don't really know what you're talking about on this one.
 
Back in April 2013 Rossi's old rival in the cold fusion race, Defkalion Green Technologies, announced a transfer of its operations from Greece (whose ailing economy it once promised to restore to health) to Vancouver, BC. It was intending to raise money by issuing shares in the Toronto stock market, early 2014.

Evidently something has gone wrong, and Defkalion seems to have vanished from its Vancouver address. From e-cat World 12/12/13
I heard a report over the weekend from someone who had called Defkalion’s office in Canada at the phone number listed on their web site as their “Main Corporate Office” (1 604 683 5555) and that the number was out of commission.I have called that number and got the same message message saying the number is no longer in service — it sounded like a standard telecom message.

So it sounds like Defkalion is no longer operating out of Canada. A response to an email inquiry last month told me that “due to our current reorganization of our R&D centers and the commissioning of a new reactor, we are not in a position to meet and or discuss anything.”

It seems that part of this reorganization is that they have left Vancouver, where they had a laboratory — but to where? If they have left Canada, I would expect that their listing on the Toronto Stock Exchange that DGT’s CEO Alex Xanthoulis probably won’t be happening now. The email said they wouldn’t be giving any more news until mid-January, so I will inquire again then.
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I wish them the best of luck with that last bit.

Meanwhile nothing of interest has come from Rossi. I think this particulate Cold Fusion "flap" has petered out. We await with interest the arrival of the next scammer or lunatic in this field of human greed and idiocy.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Sorry, you don't really know what you're talking about on this one.
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Yeah, not at all, I was just speculating. However, the military managed to fall for and buy those "sniffex" fake bomb detector dowsing rods--how is this different?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
That's exactly what it looks like to me as well.

Why hasn't the insulation on the wires melted yet?
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I can't speak for why the painting on the rig don't smoke, but that one : we had some sort of semi plastic semi porcelain (can't remember the technical term) insulator on our rig in our lab which could support very high temperature and just get a little yellow.

So it isn't a definitive "gotcha" , IMHO the picture is simply explanable as a heating resistor in a some sort of cans.
 
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