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Baloney.

All lies. You can't be aware of millions of fellow Jews being gassed in Auschwitz and provide productive labor from Auschwitz as if all was pretty much hunky dory.

The Germans couldn't exterminate/gas millions of Jewish children, women, and men in Auschwitz and expect productive labor from Jewish people interred in Auschwitz who are aware of millions of Jewish children, women, and men being gassed in Auschwitz.

This common sense aspect must be shouted to the rooftops by all revisionists.

It's the bottom line. The Germans needed labor. And Auschwitz was a labor camp.

You're more concerned with whether you personally think it could happen (Appeal to Incredulity) than whether the evidence shows it did happen. And it does. You've claimed, repeatedly, that there was no Jewish resistance at all, then that the resistance people showed you wasn't the right type. Now you're claiming every single Jew who knew about the Holocaust would resist the armed government after years of oppression. That some Jewish guy who owned, say, a watch shop or a grocer's would certainly be willing to fight armed soldiers for his life and that of his family. That's incredible.

Of course, my post was actually about how you've repeatedly claimed to have been told things by the official story, yet rarely provide any non-denier sources for said claims. In fact, even the "business as usual" and "hunky dory" you gloss over often involved starving inmates half or all the way to death. Even physical labourers were only given 1700 calories a day. The usual for an adult is 2,000 or more, without physical labour. Where on earth were starving prisoners supposed to get the energy to resist? And yet, many did. There was never an uprising, but a significant amount of people in the camps weren't just lying down.

No just fabrications. Like Elie Wiesel's missing tattoo.
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Speaking of which, you were wrong about Wiesel voluntarily going with the Nazis to get away from the Germans.
 
[.....] you [Clayton] were wrong about Wiesel voluntarily going with the Nazis to get away from the Germans[/URL].
This is not in accord with Robert Faurisson's interpretation. He writes:
"Hospital patients were considered unfit for the long trip to the camps in Germany and Elie thus could have remained at Birkenau to await the Russians. Although his father had permission to stay with him as a hospital patient or orderly, father and son talked it over and decided to move out with the Germans."
The citation he gives is Night, New York, Discus/Avon Books, 1969, p93.
 
So the source of the photograph (see below) is the Polish underground. The woman and soldier's feet are clearly not on the ground.

Yes they are. The soldier's feet are certainly on the ground, though the foot furthest to the left appears to be obscured by a rise in the ground. The woman looks as though she is taking a step, and the foot closest to the camera is lifted, but the foot behind that appears to be on the ground.

The upper body of the soldier is out of proportion to the lower body.

Again, I disagree. That uniform type has been out of style for a long time, and maybe between the jacket and the pants your eye is misled to where the waistline should be, but to me it looks perfectly normal for a uniform of that era.

It looks as though their images have been superimposed on the photo in the usual Soviet montage style.

It looks like an old black & white photo that's a bit overexposed, but other than that it looks normal to me.
 
So the source of the photograph (see below) is the Polish underground. The woman and soldier's feet are clearly not on the ground. The upper body of the soldier is out of proportion to the lower body. It looks as though their images have been superimposed on the photo in the usual Soviet montage style. There is nothing in the photo to indicate geographical location (not significant in itself, but a universal feature of Soviet atrocity images). This is typical of what I find in holocaust studies: what purports to be evidence turns out on closer inspection to be something other than what it is presented as and no longer to carry conviction.

The photo appears to have been take at the very moment the German soldier on the left shot the woman holding the child. THe soldier's feet are firmly planted in the grass slightly behind the raised berm in the foreground. The woman's right foot is raised slightly (possibly from being shot) and her left foot is visible, planted on the ground behind the raised foot.

This is all clearly visible in your photo. Why do you not know this?

Baloney.

All lies. You can't be aware of millions of fellow Jews being gassed in Auschwitz and provide productive labor from Auschwitz as if all was pretty much hunky dory.

The Germans couldn't exterminate/gas millions of Jewish children, women, and men in Auschwitz and expect productive labor from Jewish people interred in Auschwitz who are aware of millions of Jewish children, women, and men being gassed in Auschwitz.

This common sense aspect must be shouted to the rooftops by all revisionists.

It's the bottom line. The Germans needed labor. And Auschwitz was a labor camp.
Argument from Incredulity. Please explain how it would be physically impossible for Auschwitz to have operated simultaneously as a labor and extermination camp.

Extra bonus points if you can explain:

1) If the intent was to work them until no longer useful then kill them, why would the Germans "expect productive labor" in the first place?

2) What part of working their victims to death and/or killing them once they ceased being productive seems to be impossible for you to accept?
 
The contemporary records clearly refer to Durchganglager.

No, there is one solitary document referring to one camp as a Durchgangslager, towards the end of its lifespan. The same camp (Sobibor) was also referred to as an Arbeitslager in an earlier source, but the formal designation throughout its existence was SS-Sonderkommando (multiple documents using this term as a unit moniker), the same as Belzec, Treblinka and Chelmno, none of which were ever referred to as Durchgangslager.

The only other reference to durch-anything which could be connected to these camps was in the Himmler-ordered edited version of the Korherr report; Himmler told Korherr to take the term Sonderbehandlung out and replace it with 'durchgeschleust durch die Lager' in the Generalgouvernement and Warthegau.

Accordingly, Durchgangslager Sobibor was an internal self-deception, in obvious conformity with Himmler's earlier order to remove an incriminating euphemism, and in conformity with numerous other examples of blatant euphemising by the Nazis (eg labelling mental patients killed in T4 institutes as 'disinfected' then calculating how much food was saved by 'disinfecting' the victims of a Hitler order decreeing their mercy death).

Truly, it's amazing what happens when one actually analyses more than 1 document at a time, like historians are meant to do. One actually arrives at a coherent explanation.

The recent film on Hannah Arendt cites Adolf Eichmann's words: "Ich habe Sie nicht vernichtet" (I didn't annihilate you/them).
http://youtu.be/b-rnFLnu2jg
The film also cites Eichmann referring to "unsubstantiated allegations." So it not as though the "denier" thesis is not there in German records, even if it was not used as a defence in later trials.

This is the same Eichmann who admitted to Sassen while in Argentinian exile that Heydrich informed him of a Hitler order to physically annihilate the Jews and then described visiting various killing sites and death camps?

I think what you'll find Eichmann meant there was that he personally didn't annihilate the Jews, as this was left for others to complete after IV B 4 had organised deportations.

I'm also amused at the idea of using a movie as source evidence when we have the records of Eichmann's interviews before capture, his interrogations and 3 memoirs, plus the court transcript. I think you'll find that it's generally accepted one must not cherrypick tidbits out of fiction while ignoring the totality of a body of historical evidence.

As for legal defences, the Germans offered to provide explanations of what happened on the Eastern Front at Nuremberg, but were not permitted to do so (I cannot cite a source for this offhand, but was referred recently to the Trial transcripts as a source). There was certainly a development of legal practice in Germany after the Eichmann trial (where many later witnesses at the German trials were in the audience).

I call BS on your unsourced Nuremberg claim.

You are simply repeating the ultra-vague denier insinuation that somehow it was impossible for any defendant at any trial to tell the truth. But this insinuation is totally unsubstantiated.

You simply haven't responded to my point, which was that more than 1,000 SS men testified to the extermination camps, while precisely zero SS serving in such camps testified about 'transit'.

Numerous Nazis denied knowledge and responsibility; some even denied extermination outright, eg Monowitz guards denying there were any gas chambers at Birkenau (in trials in Poland no less! So much for their 'Stalinist character'). We know that Nazi generals conspired to present a positive image of the Wehrmacht; we know that the Order Police leadership conspired to present the Orpo in the best light and whitewashed Orpo complicity in mass shootings; and we know that Ohlendorf organised a conspiracy to give false testimony by claiming a pre-Barbarossa Hitler order to exterminate all Jews in the USSR, in order to plead obedience to orders as a defense. There is thus lots and lots of evidence that Nazis were very much able to agree on defense strategies even in Allied internment.

We also know that 60,000 interned SS men signed collective affidavits in defense against the charge that the SS was a criminal organisation, with numerous analyses of collective affidavits or surveys of specific internment camps presented by SS officers of various kinds. That was in 1946. The absolute best time for the SS as an organisation to tell the truth! They denied whatever they could.

But none of them evidently had the courage to reveal the real story. Yeah, right.

I wonder what you make of Caroline Sturdy Colls latest investigations at Treblinka, where she apparently decided not to (or perhaps was not allowed to) excavate the "pit" claimed to be where the cremated remains were buried. Nothing conclusive was found - though there clearly are cremated remains there in an uncertain quantity - but at least evidence is being uncovered.

Much more evidence than you acknowledge here; CSC also found ceramic tiles marked with Stars of David in the area where the first gas chambers at Treblinka were thought to be located, as well as their foundations. And more digs in 2014... it's not looking good for denial at all...
 
This is the same Eichmann who admitted to Sassen while in Argentinian exile that Heydrich informed him of a Hitler order to physically annihilate the Jews and then described visiting various killing sites and death camps?
And the same Eichmann who, after he was condemned, said:
"I have heard the harsh sentence of the Tribunal. I have been deceived in my hope for justice. I cannot accept this judgement. [.....] If I had received the order to carry out massacres, I would not have hidden behind false pretences; I have explained in the course of my examination, if I had been confronted with an order I could not carry out, I would have put a bullet through my head so as to resolve the conflict between my conscience and my duty." (From Rassinier, Veritable Procès Eichmann, Rome: Sfinge, 2006, 147-9).
So as he didn't put a bullet through his head, he's saying he hadn't received the order - right? - though by this time he believed it had been given to others for "reasons of state".

I'm also amused at the idea of using a movie as source evidence when we have the records of Eichmann's interviews before capture, his interrogations and 3 memoirs, plus the court transcript. I think you'll find that it's generally accepted one must not cherrypick tidbits out of fiction while ignoring the totality of a body of historical evidence.
The footage of the Eichmann Trial is available on youtube and the Arendt film uses snippets from it.

I call BS on your unsourced Nuremberg claim.

You are simply repeating the ultra-vague denier insinuation that somehow it was impossible for any defendant at any trial to tell the truth. But this insinuation is totally unsubstantiated.
You are right. I withdraw my claim about limitations on evidence about the Eastern front which I cannot substantiate. I appear to have confused this with quite different limitations on evidence about the treaty of Versailles and Goering's right to speak (Sitting of 29 March 1946, TMI X, p246).

You simply haven't responded to my point, which was that more than 1,000 SS men testified to the extermination camps, while precisely zero SS serving in such camps testified about 'transit'.

We also know that 60,000 interned SS men signed collective affidavits in defense against the charge that the SS was a criminal organisation, with numerous analyses of collective affidavits or surveys of specific internment camps presented by SS officers of various kinds. That was in 1946. The absolute best time for the SS as an organisation to tell the truth! They denied whatever they could.

But none of them evidently had the courage to reveal the real story. Yeah, right.
This is of course, the same "argument from incredulity" that the revisionists on this list are regularly taxed with. However, I am not directing it back at you. There are partial revisionist treatments of some trials, but I am not aware of a coherent analysis of the defences made or treatment of the development of evidence between trials. It is one of several significant gaps and weaknesses in the revisionist case.
 
The photo appears to have been take at the very moment the German soldier on the left shot the woman holding the child.
There is no motion (indicated by blurring) if it was really taken at the point when a shot was fired, so "appears" seems unwarranted by examination of intrinsic features of the image itself.

THe soldier's feet are firmly planted in the grass slightly behind the raised berm in the foreground. The woman's right foot is raised slightly (possibly from being shot) and her left foot is visible, planted on the ground behind the raised foot.
And neither cast shadows on the ground, unlike the figures on the right. Light is clearly striking the stick on the right from (our) right, but this is not consistent across the figures. The shadows on the clothing, perspective and focus do nothing to indicate authenticity. Compare it with other black & white photos taken outside in sunlight, such as the one below.

This is all clearly visible in your photo. Why do you not know this?
This is a significant question. The answer is probably that I have seen Walendy's analysis of many similar photos. His analyses are of varying quality, but if you are convinced that one is a forgery, it becomes unlikely that it would be the only one and thereafter the similarities of these supposed illustrations make one suspicious of their likely nature and provenance.
 

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There is no motion (indicated by blurring) if it was really taken at the point when a shot was fired, so "appears" seems unwarranted by examination of intrinsic features of the image itself.
Not that it's important to the authenticity or not but it would account for the woman's foot being raised and the child's feet (apparently) swinging up a bit.

And neither cast shadows on the ground, unlike the figures on the right. Light is clearly striking the stick on the right from (our) right, but this is not consistent across the figures. The shadows on the clothing, perspective and focus do nothing to indicate authenticity. Compare it with other black & white photos taken outside in sunlight, such as the one below.
There seems to be a shadow on the ground between the soldier and the woman.

This is a significant question. The answer is probably that I have seen Walendy's analysis of many similar photos. His analyses are of varying quality, but if you are convinced that one is a forgery, it becomes unlikely that it would be the only one and thereafter the similarities of these supposed illustrations make one suspicious of their likely nature and provenance.
As with any other CT, believing in one conspiracy inevitably leads to believing I n more CT.
 
You're more concerned with whether you personally think it could happen (Appeal to Incredulity) than whether the evidence shows it did happen. And it does. You've claimed, repeatedly, that there was no Jewish resistance at all, then that the resistance people showed you wasn't the right type. Now you're claiming every single Jew who knew about the Holocaust would resist the armed government after years of oppression. That some Jewish guy who owned, say, a watch shop or a grocer's would certainly be willing to fight armed soldiers for his life and that of his family. That's incredible.

Of course, my post was actually about how you've repeatedly claimed to have been told things by the official story, yet rarely provide any non-denier sources for said claims. In fact, even the "business as usual" and "hunky dory" you gloss over often involved starving inmates half or all the way to death. Even physical labourers were only given 1700 calories a day. The usual for an adult is 2,000 or more, without physical labour. Where on earth were starving prisoners supposed to get the energy to resist? And yet, many did. There was never an uprising, but a significant amount of people in the camps weren't just lying down.

Speaking of which, you were wrong about Wiesel voluntarily going with the Nazis to get away from the Germans.

Resist? I said "perform productive labor."

The need to fabricate seems contagious and uncontrollable.
 
International Red cross records put the Holocaust death toll of camp inmates at 271,301

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldrepo...st-death-toll-of-camp-inmates-at-271301/66963


For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

Provided here is a scanned image of an Official International Red Cross document, proving the so-called “Holocaust” [the long-and-often-claimed-6-million Jews] is just plain wrong. Jews around the world have intentionally exaggerated and perpetually lied for the purpose of gaining political, emotional and business advantages for themselves.

Please NOTE that the truth has been known since long before 1979!!! The above compiler, replying to a letter, had to rely on information that was already in existence!!!

Tax-payers of Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Latvia, Poland and other nations have had multiple Millions of dollars taken from their wages to be paid out to “holocaust survivors” and their descendants for something that DID NOT HAPPEN.

The tax-payers of these United States of America spend Billion$ each year in direct, indirect and military support of the State of Israel (which is not Biblical Israel).

The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900′s
 
but to me it looks perfectly normal for a uniform of that era.
The front pockets appear pleated, suggesting it is a 1936 pattern Feldbluse. The pleating was removed in the 1943 pattern. His rifle hides his collar, epaulets and as to if his eagle is on his right chest or right arm which would offer better information. His hat is a Model 1938 Feldmutze which is worn under his helmet, but the photo is too fuzzy to see details. I can't see any problems or anachronisms with the uniform in the photo for the date it was taken.
 
Truly, it's amazing what happens when one actually analyses more than 1 document at a time, like historians are meant to do. One actually arrives at a coherent explanation.
It's amazing what happens when one looks at more than one star at a time, like astronomers are supposed to do. One can see the Great Bear, the Plough and Orion's Belt.
 
Resist? I said "perform productive labor."

The need to fabricate seems contagious and uncontrollable.
How is it a fabrication? You have repeatedly commented in this very topic about the perceived "lack of resistance."

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International Red cross records put the Holocaust death toll of camp inmates at 271,301
Source of your "Red Cross document?" Your linked website neglects to provide provenance for the heavily marked up typewritten piece of paper.
 
Source of your "Red Cross document?" Your linked website neglects to provide provenance for the heavily marked up typewritten piece of paper.

It's an old and long-debunked misuse of that document by the Deniers. That particular letter covers only Red Cross information concerning registered deaths at the camps, which excludes the vast majority of deaths that occurred there.

Clayton's link also makes the rather odd claim that the numbers on that document were the "real numbers" taught in American textbooks published immediately after WWII, before the fake "revised" number of six million was put into textbooks published later.
 
And the same Eichmann who, after he was condemned, said:

So as he didn't put a bullet through his head, he's saying he hadn't received the order - right? - though by this time he believed it had been given to others for "reasons of state".

Have you actually got a non-denier source for this supposed Eichmann remark; your reference is to Rassinier of all people; a man with a rather well documented track record of mangling sources and misquoting them.

The footage of the Eichmann Trial is available on youtube and the Arendt film uses snippets from it.

Said footage plus the trial transcript as well as his pretrial interrogations, pretrial interview with Sassen, pretrial memoir plus post-trial memoir include numerous examples of Eichmann referring quite explicitly and in an obviously uncoerced fashion discussing Heydrich giving him a Hitler order. He started referring to this order via Heydrich before capture.

You are right. I withdraw my claim about limitations on evidence about the Eastern front which I cannot substantiate. I appear to have confused this with quite different limitations on evidence about the treaty of Versailles and Goering's right to speak (Sitting of 29 March 1946, TMI X, p246).

Indeed, a very different matter.

This is of course, the same "argument from incredulity" that the revisionists on this list are regularly taxed with. However, I am not directing it back at you. There are partial revisionist treatments of some trials, but I am not aware of a coherent analysis of the defences made or treatment of the development of evidence between trials. It is one of several significant gaps and weaknesses in the revisionist case.

No, my point was that there is simply no evidence from the 'core' killing personnel about the death camps and extermination sites having another function. This alone suffices to dispose of the denier argument.

My incredulity was directed against the feeble handwaves of an explanation from deniers for why there might be no evidence to the contrary from the core killing personnel. It pre-empted whatever such handwaves you might have tried on, that's all.

You're right that deniers have yet to offer a coherent analysis of perpetrator eyewitness testimony, but the lack of coherent analysis can also be found for victim eyewitness testimony, bystander eyewitness testimony, wartime reports, forensics and Nazi documents. Incoherence is pretty much the hallmark of the revisionist 'oeuvre'.
 
It's amazing what happens when one looks at more than one star at a time, like astronomers are supposed to do. One can see the Great Bear, the Plough and Orion's Belt.

As is usual with deniers, this is a rather bad analogy. Astronomers identify constellations; these have various poetic and metaphorical names like the Great Bear etc. Nobody thinks that they really are bears, ploughs or belts.

Historians, meanwhile, typically examine and analyse many sources together, because that is how history is meant to be written, not one-source-at-a-time. However that doesn't mean that some sources decode themselves without requiring an external source to decipher them.

The Hartheim statistics, for example, make no sense internally if one contrasts the 70,000 people it records as 'disinfected' with the savings on food and other costs projected to result from their 'disinfection' over a 10 year period. I cannot see any possible explanation of this source as a whole that can offer a literalist reading of 'disinfected'; there is no known disinfection procedure that reduces patients to a zero-calorie diet, and none that even ensures a permanent reduction in appetite. Accordingly, 'disinfected' in this document is a euphemism.

This has severe consequences for our interpretation of other documents in the Nazi paper trail. Firstly, the fact of euphemism is corroborated by the existence of other documents relating to the euthanasia program which include a Hitler order decreeing the mercy death of incurably ill, and also a document describing the entire procedure at Hartheim (no less) which spells out the method, the use of carbon monoxide in a 'Gasraum'. Other documents corroborate this including briefings to regional officials in 1940 as well as invoices regarding the delivery/return of CO gas cylinders. The use of gas as a killing method is thus proven beyond all reasonable doubt on the basis of contemporary Nazi documents from inside the Nazi regime; there are also other contemporary German sources from outside the regime which confirm this.

Secondly, if the Nazis demonstrably used a euphemism once, then they might well have used euphemisms elsewhere. If they used it in an internal document not meant for publication (as far as anyone can tell), then this tells us something about why they might use euphemisms, not as is often claimed for deception purposes externally, but as part of psychologically distancing them from the consequences of their actions.

As 'disinfected' (desinfiziert) was mostly used non-euphemistically, this also highlights the importance of context. Other terms, too, can be found in use non-euphemistically alongside a euphemistic use. 'Evacuated' or 'resettled', for example, means what it says when people were evacuated from point A to point B and there is a follow-up on the evacuees in the overall paper trail. Where however we might find 'evacuated' or 'resettled' being used intransitively with no reference to any destination whatsoever, then the context alone indicates a euphemism.

Other terms could become euphemistic due to their sheer vagueness. 'nach dem Osten evakuiert' means nothing whatsoever; the 'East' was so big that the vagueness of the geographical destination betrays a desire to cover up the real destinations, which are mentioned in other sources.

Ditto with Himmler's order to Korherr to say that Jews which were originally reported as subjected to Sonderbehandlung should be described as 'transited to the Russian East'. Again: this is too vague to be credible, and the fact that it is being introduced to replace another euphemism means it too must have been euphemistic. The fact that Sonderbehandlung is replaced by 'the Russian east' means the two terms cannot be equated, as Mattogno would have us believe on a number of occasions.

We can and should however consider other sources when examining documents such as the Korherr report. When the boss-man of the Generalgouvernment has on repeated occasions referred to the destruction of the Jews, and quasi-quoted an exhortation to 'liquidate them yourselves!', and does this not just before the whole thing begins but also in December 1942 as the operation is reaching its high point, then such documents should be taken into consideration; and any interpretation that leaves them out is fundamentally dishonest.

This can be summed up as the principle of total evidence: all relevant evidence must be taken into consideration here. Thus, when a denier waves around the fact that a document about Sobibor calls it a Durchgangslager, and this takes place in correspondence between Himmler and Pohl, firstly all evidence from the two men becomes relevant. So we find Himmler referring to the destruction of the Jews in unmistakable terms a few months later in the Posen speech, and again in June 1944 at Sonthofen, in both cases in such a way that he meant killing.

But also all evidence from Sobibor itself is relevant, including all of the prisoner and SS witnesses who worked there. Since all of these 'permanent resident' witnesses describe Sobibor as an extermination camp, then there is an apparent contradiction between one source and many other sources.

This contradiction is easily resolved: the same witnesses who describe extermination say firstly that the camp was set up to deceive the victims into thinking it was a transit camp, and secondly that small contingents of deportees were in fact hived off for work in nearby labour camps before they underwent the full deception procedure reserved for the victims. By spring 1943 this skimming-off was so widespread that Sobibor was indeed a 'Durchgangslager', for a small minority of the deportees. But these transit prisoners went no further than the Lublin district. Therefore the use of the term Durchgangslager reflects one reality of the camp, just as Konzentrationslager Auschwitz II was a concentration camp and an extermination camp.

So what we have found here is that the Nazis could be economical with the truth when it came to designations. This finding is of course substantially reinforced by our observations of numerous other examples where the Nazis used codewords, covernames, or were laconic in their use of terms. Given that this was a world war and militaries definitely use codewords and euphemisms, then it would be highly surprising if they avoided using some degree of circumlocution in this case.

This is just spelling out what is fairly obvious to most sentient readers: what amazes me is why deniers like yourself bother to resort to literalist readings of solitary documents and then pretend the designation was present throughout the Nazi documentary record (when it is not), since the literalist reading will immediately collapse when other evidence is brought into the picture.

That is why one-document-at-a-time will always fail, and is completely unhistorical as a method; it is anti-history. It would be anti-history no matter what the topic. It is at best, a form of intellectual childishness suited only for convincing gullible morons drunk on whatever ideological kool-aid they have imbibed.
 
Resist? I said "perform productive labor."

The need to fabricate seems contagious and uncontrollable.
Yes, you did. In response to my point about Jewish resistance. In other words, you contrasted "perform productive labour" with "resist". Of course, there's plenty of evidence to show both were present.

Even referring to your labour claim, I still pointed out that you were basing your claims that it was impossible on nothing more than your personal incredulity. What, pray tell, do you think the Jews should've done? Resist, as you've claimed before? They did that. Do nothing? Wouldn't passive resistance also lead to punishment? Were they physically incapable of working? Then the implied question of choice is irrelevant, isn't it?

What position are you advancing?What do you think they would they have done instead of "productive work"?

Also, you're still wrong about Wiesel.
 
Have you actually got a non-denier source for this supposed Eichmann remark; your reference is to Rassinier of all people; a man with a rather well documented track record of mangling sources and misquoting them.
It is part of a three page statement described by Rassinier as made to the Jerusalem judges on 13 December 1961. He gives no further reference. Rassinier's book seems to have appeared before Poliakov's collection of trial documents in 1963. He is said by Nadine Fresco to have had contact with Eichmann's family (Fabrication d'un Antisémite/I], Seuil, 1999) and she does not accuse him of fabrication in relation to the trial despite her general hostility to him. Who are you claiming documented this supposed track record?

Said footage plus the trial transcript as well as his pretrial interrogations, pretrial interview with Sassen, pretrial memoir plus post-trial memoir include numerous examples of Eichmann referring quite explicitly and in an obviously uncoerced fashion discussing Heydrich giving him a Hitler order. He started referring to this order via Heydrich before capture.
An order to do what? Some publicly available sources from yourself would be useful if you want to carry conviction here.

You're right that deniers have yet to offer a coherent analysis of perpetrator eyewitness testimony, but the lack of coherent analysis can also be found for victim eyewitness testimony, bystander eyewitness testimony, wartime reports, forensics and Nazi documents. Incoherence is pretty much the hallmark of the revisionist 'oeuvre'.
Arranging sources in chronological order and showing how the story was refined and developed is a form of genetic explanation appropriate to the subject matter.
 
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