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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Rolfe said:
Just be glad it wasn't a squat toilet. These really are diabolical.

Rolfe.
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That's true. But on the other hand, then there probably wouldn't have been any dispute over the non-flush, and therefore poor Meredith would still be alive.
 
Diocletus said:
Their toilets are different. The poop doesn't really fall in water, it sits on a porcelain platform and leaves a skidder every time. So, you always have to scrub. Whereas, in the US, the poop falls into water and usually there is no need to scrub, and even if there is a mark, it goes away on the next flush. I prefer our full submersion toilet, because frankly, who wants to perform some kind of scrubbing operation afterwards?

I first became aware of these toilets on a trip to Germany, and we were convinced that it was some kind of Nazi invention.
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I wonder why Meredith would explode over Rudy pooping in Filomena and Lauras toilet.

Something doesnt smell right about Crini's motive.
 
kwill said:
In Amanda's book she described an embarrassing conversation with Meredith over the need to "use the brush" every time you use the toilet. I have the impression that it has to do with (a) different bowl design and/or (b) not as much water in the flush, leading to less effective removal.

I know the whole poop thing that was introduced yesterday was a joke, but I'd still like to know, hopefully from somebody with experience using Perugia toilets in old cottages, what the fuss was about.

A little Seattle background: Amanda is a year older than our older daughter, so she would have been here during the summer we had a serious lack of water, maybe when she was in 4th or 5th grade. It was a bad drought, and people stopped watering their lawns and many of them stopped flushing toilets each and every time. Our kids were taught then that there's no harm in just leaving the lid down . . . nasty, yes, but really so what.

Just flush it once or twice a day and clean it well once a week. We later hosted an exchange student (from Eastern Europe) who was horrified by this practice and let us all know she thought we were disgusting. We didn't care.

So anyway, my question is, what is meant by "using the brush" every time, and why is it necessary?
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I went over there a few years ago. The toilets I saw have a slightly different design than American toilets. One defecates onto a little platform, rather than a standing bowl of water.

All of this takes us further and further from the crime and the evidence. It merely shows how ridiculous the case has become because a cohort of fanatics refuse to accept the obvious, which is that Guede used the toilet after he broke into the place, and he killed Meredith because she walked in on a burglary.
 
JREF2010 said:
Yes, I think the only departure was mainly the new motive Crini created from his brilliant mind and per the Defense lawyers , he presented it well.

Of course the Judge and jurors will have to decide if they can convict on fictional scenarios never before heard nor proven.
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I can't wait to see the judicial opinion where they describe the dynamic by which Meredith was killed because she got uppity about Geude's poop. It's gonna be a classic, right up with Potter Stewart's "I know it when I see it" definition of obscenity.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
I went over there a few years ago. The toilets I saw have a slightly different design than American toilets. One defecates onto a little platform, rather than a standing bowl of water.
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I thought the toilet in question was in fact of the design Brits and Americans would regard as normal? I saw pics, I think, and wasn't there some talk about the turd having sunk below the water at some stage? That couldn't happen with the design you're describing.

Rolfe.
 
JREF2010 said:
I wonder why Meredith would explode over Rudy pooping in Filomena and Lauras toilet.
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Meredith was probably afraid that neatnik Laura would open a big can of whoop ass if she found a turd in her toilet. Therefore, instead of just flushing Rudy's stink bomb, she decided to get all uppity on Amanda.

You know, just to make sure that Amanda didn't invite in any other unsavory friends of Meredith's boyfriend and encourage them have a crap in Laura's toilet and not flush.
 
Rolfe said:
I thought the toilet in question was in fact of the design Brits and Americans would regard as normal? I saw pics, I think, and wasn't there some talk about the turd having sunk below the water at some stage? That couldn't happen with the design you're describing.

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I don't think they have those Anglo Saxon crappers in Italy. Never seen one.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
I went over there a few years ago. The toilets I saw have a slightly different design than American toilets. One defecates onto a little platform, rather than a standing bowl of water.
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Okay, thank you. I bet those brushes get pretty nasty, but probably they have some way of keeping them sanitary, or just replace them often. That's all I need to know, ever, on this subject. I wasn't at all familiar with all the nonsense in the public sphere when I first read Amanda's book . . . but it's obvious after a few months of catching up that many of things she described are there ONLY to answer four years' worth of lies and slander. This is clearly one of them.

All of this takes us further and further from the crime and the evidence. It merely shows how ridiculous the case has become because a cohort of fanatics refuse to accept the obvious, which is that Guede used the toilet after he broke into the place, and he killed Meredith because she walked in on a burglary.
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Yes. Every scenario that isn't: Rudy was broke, Rudy needed rent money, Rudy had prior experience breaking and entering, Rudy had recently threatened someone with a knife, Rudy's DNA, footprints, and handprints were in the murder room, Rudy left the country, and Rudy himself said, on tape, that Amanda had nothing to do with what happened is irrelevant nonsense.

This is a case about him and what he did to Meredith. The end.
 
acbytesla said:
I saw pictures as well, it's a toilet that you would expect to find in Britain and the US.
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I just looked at a pic of the toilet in question. It appears to be a hybrid. It doesn't have a proper poop platform (it's more like a ramp), but on the other hand, the bowl isn't full of water. It's almost like it was engineered to leave a long skid mark trailing down to the bottom of the toilet. My guess is that a toilet brush manufacturer designed this thing.
 
Diocletus said:
I just looked at a pic of the toilet in question. It appears to be a hybrid. It doesn't have a proper poop platform (it's more like a ramp), but on the other hand, the bowl isn't full of water. It's almost like it was engineered to leave a long skid mark trailing down to the bottom of the toilet. My guess is that a toilet brush manufacturer designed this thing.
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I can't believe we are having this conversation.
 
Rolfe said:
So what was all that about the faeces having sunk below the water?

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I really can't speak to that.

I'm just waiting for Machiavelli to come on here and explain about how Italians' poop doesn't stink, and also, under Italian law, Rudy's poop is technically imputed to Amanda.
 
Best Headline Award

Irish Examiner headline:

"Unflushed toilet ‘may have caused Knox to kill’"

LMAO
 
acbytesla said:
That has to be the most absurd motive I have ever heard!!! Crini totally skips over Rudy's semen inside Meredith and suggest that Amanda went into a rage with brand new roommate over a guest not flushing the toilet? It's the crap in the toilet this moron focuses on? If I had been a judge, I would have been laughing at the idiot.

He seemed to say over and over again that he didn't have to prove anything. Which he didn't.
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Is the highlighted portion of your post a typo?
 
acbytesla said:
No, but it is a mistake, they found Rudy's DNA inside Meredith, not his semen.

Brain lapse.
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No, I think it was a typo. You only messed up two letters. The semen was "be"side Meredith, not "in"side.
 
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acbytesla said:
No, but it is a mistake, they found Rudy's DNA inside Meredith, not his semen.

Brain lapse.
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Ok thanks for the clarification.

Gosh following the last few pages one could be left with the impression that the prosecutor spoke only of Guede’s un-flushed deposit, was anything else raised? Was any mention made of the Italian Supreme Court’s motivation report on Guede third level trial, that he and others were responsible for Meredith’s murder? How long did proceedings last on Tuesday?
 
acbytesla said:
I can't believe we are having this conversation.
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I can't believe Crini could call the single killer theory 'absurd' and yet propose a scenario where Rudy taking a dump in Filomena's bathroom 'sparked tensions about hygine' and it led to Meredith's death with a knife that was a quarter-mile away that he has no interest in explaining how it got to the cottage. If it was a spontaneous murder like his theory suggests, then what was the knife doing at the cottage instead of in Raffaele's drawer? They would have had to have brought it with them, which undermines it being a spontaneous murder over Rudy's bathroom habits.
 
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