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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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NancyS said:
It's all turning into an episode of Jerry Springer - I killed my roommate over a floater, is even more ridiculous than the episode about marrying a horse

I don't know how anyone is supposed to defend themselves against this non-evidence, the prosecution are just fantasists
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We all need to calm down and wait for Machiavelli's return from the courtroom to explain all this.

I, for one, will try my best never to mention Satan rites again. But Mach needs to explain what's happened to sex-games gone wrong..... or if it all was because Meredith complained about Rudy's bathroom habits: why was Knox supposed to have been carrying that kitchen knife?

Apparently you can't make up this stuff. Then again with Crini, apparently you can.
 
NancyS said:
It's all turning into an episode of Jerry Springer.
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Jerry Springer won't touch this case. He's got standards.

I have it from a secret source that Comodi is seeking budget approval to spend another EURO 182,000 to do a sequel to her earlier cartoon. This one is to show the new prosecution theory - the poo-fight. It will be called "Who flung dung? - You decide!".
 
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Sandy Hook report has grim details, no motive for shooting

I guess Adam Lanza couldn't have done it.
 
Well, it appears the prosecution is trying to throw so much crap against the wall something will stick. Literally.
 
Kaosium said:
Well, it appears the prosecution is trying to throw so much crap against the wall something will stick. Literally.
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There goes my prediction that Crini was going to tell the court to drop charges.

As Grinder will tell you, I should have stuck with calumny just to have been right about one thing. I'm 0-16 right now in the prediction department. Should have been a Detroit Lion.
 
Strozzi said:
We Americans understand the real problem here, but we are normally too polite to bring it up. European toilet paper is just too rough. As my dainty sister who studied in the Italian part of Switzerland told me, the toilet paper "really rubs you raw!" It's like sandpaper, she said. We prefer squeezable-soft "Charmin" brand.

That is why Rudy didn't like to wipe or flush!
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He did wipe. I have the pictures to prove it.

It is his domestic rather than personal hygiene that is now on trial, albeit with surrogate defendants.
 
I know it sounds stupid, but the poop left in the toilet supports the theory that Rudy was in the house alone before Meredith arrived. I posted a textbook example years ago where burglars were interviewed about this poop phenomenon. Essentially, the burglars break into a house, get nervous, then have to use the toilet. They don't flush for two reasons: (1) they won't be able to hear the footsteps of someone entering the house while the toilet is flushing, or (2) they don't want the toilet to make a sound and alert someone to their presence. To me, it's very strong evidence that Rudy went into burglarize the house. I know it sounds stupid because this is based on poop, but it makes perfect sense. The truth is in the poop.

On the other hand, we must entertain the possibility that Rudy came over with AK and RS, took a poop in the toilet and forgot to flush, and a huge violent fight ensued that led to poor Meredith's death. That is obviously also a very strong possibility.
 
"Meredith Kercher Murdered Over Toilet Cleaning Squabble" - ha, ha, ha. We have left fantasy and entered the surreal.
 
halides1 said:
"Crini alleges that Guede may have sparked anew tensions over cleanliness after he defecated in a toilet inside the hillside apartment and left it unflushed. Crini said Guede, who was friendly with young men living in a neighboring apartment, had done the same thing the previous week." link to WaPo story here. Now I have heard everything.
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Its like overheard jabber in a truck stop by stupid people.

Why is Crini infatuated with Rudys poop?
 
HumanityBlues said:
I know it sounds stupid, but the poop left in the toilet supports the theory that Rudy was in the house alone before Meredith arrived. I posted a textbook example years ago where burglars were interviewed about this poop phenomenon. Essentially, the burglars break into a house, get nervous, then have to use the toilet. They don't flush for two reasons: (1) they won't be able to hear the footsteps of someone entering the house while the toilet is flushing, or (2) they don't want the toilet to make a sound and alert someone to their presence. To me, it's very strong evidence that Rudy went into burglarize the house. I know it sounds stupid because this is based on poop, but it makes perfect sense. The truth is in the poop.

On the other hand, we must entertain the possibility that Rudy came over with AK and RS, took a poop in the toilet and forgot to flush, and a huge violent fight ensued that led to poor Meredith's death. That is obviously also a very strong possibility.
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I knew a guy in college who would save up for a while, then sneak upstairs to an apartment occupied by a group of girls, and leave a large dump in the toilet. This was a source of endless amusement, especially after we found out that the girls were blaming it on one of their roommates.

Looking back on it, and knowing what I now know, I'm surprised that this guy is even still alive.
 
Grinder said:
Insiders noted that some gravitas was added to the Florence prosecutor’s arguments by the presence beside him of veteran magistrate Tindari Baglione. Baglione became a judge in 1970 and worked as prosecutor in Florence for 14 years before moving on to Pistoia, then the Supreme Court. He returned to prosecute again in Florence (in the Court of Appeals) in June of this year. His presence in court is viewed as a gesture of support to Crini, a physical reminder that it is an institution–not just one man–asking for convictions to be upheld. Civil parties, including lawyers for the Kercher family and Patrick Lumumba, will give their arguments next, followed by defense arguments in December — likely to be equally heated. A verdict is expected in mid-January.

Amazing legal culture. Some "star" prosecutor needs to sit with the "new kid" so that the professional jury understands how they are supposed rule. They need to be reminded that the prosecution isn't just by one man?

The fact that they still stick by the idiot witnesses, that aren't witnesses at all, pretty much says it all.
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Blech. What happened to this woman, to make her this way?

I'm reminded of a line from Sylvia Plath: Every woman adores a Fascist.
 
Diocletus said:
I knew a guy in college who would save up for a while, then sneak upstairs to an apartment occupied by a group of girls, and leave a large dump in the toilet. This was a source of endless amusement, especially after we found out that the girls were blaming it on one of their roommates.

Looking back on it, and knowing what I now know, I'm surprised that this guy is even still alive.
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Your friend is lucky neither he nor his victims have died as a result of these shenanigans.
 
HumanityBlues said:
I know it sounds stupid, but the poop left in the toilet supports the theory that Rudy was in the house alone before Meredith arrived. I posted a textbook example years ago where burglars were interviewed about this poop phenomenon. Essentially, the burglars break into a house, get nervous, then have to use the toilet. They don't flush for two reasons: (1) they won't be able to hear the footsteps of someone entering the house while the toilet is flushing, or (2) they don't want the toilet to make a sound and alert someone to their presence. To me, it's very strong evidence that Rudy went into burglarize the house. I know it sounds stupid because this is based on poop, but it makes perfect sense. The truth is in the poop.

On the other hand, we must entertain the possibility that Rudy came over with AK and RS, took a poop in the toilet and forgot to flush, and a huge violent fight ensued that led to poor Meredith's death. That is obviously also a very strong possibility.
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Very good post. This case seems so ripe for satire.
 
Somone undoubtedly has pointed this out already but, the toliet was not the one used by Ms Kercher nor Knox, and, had Ms Kercher found herself in it, she would not have held Knox responsible for its upkeep.
 
This case illustrates the fact that a policeman must keep in mind whenever a psychic helps him solve a crime. It is more likely than not what the psychic said is not true.
Prosecutore Mignini worked with a psychic to figure out what happened in Meredith Kercher's murder.
Kercher died Nov. 1 ,Mignini pronounced the case closed Nov. 7.
The thing is you can't just take the psychic's word for it. You must get some other evidence or testimony, and make your case from that. If you just say you know who did it because the psychic told you, who will believe you? Actually you should keep the psychic secret.
Things went wrong for Mignini because he didn't wait until he had something to back up the psychic's opinion before he said case closed.
What the psychic said was just something that didn't happen IRL, Therefore this event that did not occur, did not leave any evidence and was not witnessed by anybody.
If you review this case from the start you will see that they started knowing who did it, and then they attempted to find a reason why they should suspect Amanda. All they could come up with is she acted like she had recently killed someone and did cartwheels in the police station, when she should have been making a proper grief reaction.
Luckily for Mignini the tabloid newspapers in Italy and Britain printed whatever Mignini told them without doing any fact checking. The jury read that Amanda was guilty, so Mignini was able to talk them into voting guilty.
The Italians may ask for Knox's extridition, but they know they are not gonna get it
 
HumanityBlues said:
I know it sounds stupid, but the poop left in the toilet supports the theory that Rudy was in the house alone before Meredith arrived. I posted a textbook example years ago where burglars were interviewed about this poop phenomenon. Essentially, the burglars break into a house, get nervous, then have to use the toilet. They don't flush for two reasons: (1) they won't be able to hear the footsteps of someone entering the house while the toilet is flushing, or (2) they don't want the toilet to make a sound and alert someone to their presence. To me, it's very strong evidence that Rudy went into burglarize the house. I know it sounds stupid because this is based on poop, but it makes perfect sense. The truth is in the poop.

On the other hand, we must entertain the possibility that Rudy came over with AK and RS, took a poop in the toilet and forgot to flush, and a huge violent fight ensued that led to poor Meredith's death. That is obviously also a very strong possibility.
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Thats fine and interesting, UI recall reading your post on that.

But come on, Rudys poop should have been the focus in his trial not this one.

His poop has zero meaning to the verdict in this trial.(I would hope it has no meaning)

They drag these kids through this trial, and the Kerchers, for years and years, and then the big closing Prosecution point is focused on Rudys poop, even Barbies talking about it...Im confused why?

Rudys so detached from this trial, as is PGP who have always defended and praised Rudy Guede so much.

This trial seems to be drifiting even further away from proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, Amanda and Raffaele committed the crime.

I guess Crini is throwing everything at the wall to see if anything sticks.
 
JREF2010 said:
Thats fine and interesting, UI recall reading your post on that.

But come on, Rudys poop should have been the focus in his trial not this one.

His poop has zero meaning to the verdict in this trial.(I would hope it has no meaning)

They drag these kids through this trial, and the Kerchers, for years and years, and then the big closing Prosecution point is focused on Rudys poop, even Barbies talking about it...Im confused why?

Rudys so detached from this trial, as is PGP who have always defended and praised Rudy Guede so much.

This trial seems to be drifiting even further away from proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, Amanda and Raffaele committed the crime.

I guess Crini is throwing everything at the wall to see if anything sticks.
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I'm now wondering whether the real problem was that Rudy left an entire poop, together with TP, in the bowl. I mean, what if Rudy had just left a skid mark? Would that have avoided any sort of confrontation? It would seem kind of frivolous for Meredith to get that upset over a mere skid mark.
 
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