Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Skind]

What I found most disturbing in Knox's comment about the "most beautiful black man he ever met", is not his looking but the fact that she never revealed his name.

Which would indicate that:

a: she can't remember it or have a hope of saying it right
b: she didn't know it
c: it was Rudy Guede and she was protecting him from a police investigation about a murder that hadn't even occurred yet.

I find it disturbing because you may count black men attending bars in Via Garibaldi just like you know your neighbours. Can you imagine how small the place is? How little the bars? Who is this unknown second black man?

Perugia has 160,000 people in it. About two thousand are 'black' as an American would understand it. Via Garibaldi is in an area notorious as a hangout for North Africans.

Perugia is famed for it's University (just around the corner) that takes on forgeign students on purpose - even from Africa, especially North Africa.

Nothing reported about Perugia would make it surprising to find multiple 'black men' on any given stay, in any given area.

It should be extremly easy to identify him and find him if we just had his name.

And thus a solid reason for Knox to never reveal his name.

 

[kwill]

But I have the entire minutes and statements, and no police officers gave them to me: they all came from lawyers. These statements were deposited at the prelimiary judge's office on Nov. 8. and were released to the atorneys on Nov. 6. This includes Lumumba attorneys and the civil party attorneys.
Everybody had them by that time.



You could complain both about transparency abd about secrecy. You have disadvantages in both cases.

Do you have the transcripts of the interrogations that led to the statements?

 

[Grinder]

What I found most disturbing in Knox's comment about the "most beautiful black man he ever met", is not his looking but the fact that she never revealed his name. Not even in her book.
Though, she knew for sure because this was a person to whom she promied they would meet again after her return from Germany.
I find it disturbing because you may count black men attending bars in Via Garibaldi just like you know your neighbours. Can you imagine how small the place is? How little the bars? Who is this unknown second black man? It should be extremly easy to identify him and find him if we just had his name.

Could comment. I've met plenty a person and said I hoped we would meet again and it never happened. I think had she seen him again she would have put it on her MySpace or emailed it or written another short story about him

Tesla didn't get it but had that been the guy she would have blurted it out the second she met him in town with her neighbors. She would have giddy as a six year old in a candy store. She would have told Meredith that this was the beautiful black guy and she would have talked his ear off and then...

She hadn't met Raf at that point. There is no way that the guy was Rudy but not because of some aging Seattlites POV.

 

[Bill Williams]

What I found most disturbing in Knox's comment about the "most beautiful black man he ever met", is not his looking but the fact that she never revealed his name. Not even in her book.
Though, she knew for sure because this was a person to whom she promied they would meet again after her return from Germany.
I find it disturbing because you may count black men attending bars in Via Garibaldi just like you know your neighbours. Can you imagine how small the place is? How little the bars? Who is this unknown second black man? It should be extremly easy to identify him and find him if we just had his name.

When (date) did Amanda write this about the most beautiful black man and where and what was Rudy doing during this same date?

This may have been answered in a prior post (which I missed) so I am sorry if this has already been answered.

All good questions.... because it's Machiavelli who "(finds) most disturbing" that she never "revealed" the man's name.

This is how the vilification works. It's the innuendo that there's something wrong with Knox making what amounts to a random comment, that gets picked apart to its nth degree as if it has some sort of hidden, dietrological meaning.

Personally, I find it disturbing that Machiavelli would invent such innuendo - especially without providing the detail you've asked for.

 

[acbytesla]

Which would indicate that:

a: she can't remember it or have a hope of saying it right
b: she didn't know it
c: it was Rudy Guede and she was protecting him from a police investigation about a murder that hadn't even occurred yet.



Perugia has 160,000 people in it. About two thousand are 'black' as an American would understand it. Via Garibaldi is in an area notorious as a hangout for North Africans.

Perugia is famed for it's University (just around the corner) that takes on forgeign students on purpose - even from Africa, especially North Africa.

Nothing reported about Perugia would make it surprising to find multiple 'black men' on any given stay, in any given area.

And thus a solid reason for Knox to never reveal his name.

It's pretty clear, she didn't know who this beautiful black man was.

 

[kwill]

It's not that I just support: I don't believe it happened. I don't think the police released material to tabloids; and I think it would be absurd to believe they had a purpose to influence public opinion by doing so.
I don't think the police could prevent this material from being published in Italy even if they wanted to, and I don't think they are accountable for it. It is structurally impossible to grant privacy within the Italian justice system, because of the way the system is designed.

How did the list of lovers she wrote when they told her she was HIV + get into the papers?

 

[Machiavelli]

When (date) did Amanda write this about the most beautiful black man and where and what was Rudy doing during this same date?

This may have been answered in a prior post (which I missed) so I am sorry if this has already been answered.

We know that Rudy had his apartment at Via del Canerino but, actually, the problem is: who could keep track of what Rudy was doing at the moment? Who knows what Rudy was doing? Over the latest time, it appears that it was a problem for his friends and relatives to know about that too.

 

[Grinder]

So why is Machiavelli suggesting that they did...and why are you helping him?

Helping him? I just hate badly thought out arguments. Just like the kids have to be innocent and the knife couldn't be the knife because they wouldn't have taken it to the cottage.

I've already "helped" you by explaining why the beautiful black couldn't have been Rudy.

As for Mach, I'm way more interested in his POV about media access than her sex life.

 

[Machiavelli]

How did the list of lovers she wrote when they told her she was HIV + get into the papers?

Her whole diary was photocopied, and put into the investigation file.

 

[acbytesla]

Could comment. I've met plenty a person and said I hoped we would meet again and it never happened. I think had she seen him again she would have put it on her MySpace or emailed it or written another short story about him

Tesla didn't get it but had that been the guy she would have blurted it out the second she met him in town with her neighbors. She would have giddy as a six year old in a candy store. She would have told Meredith that this was the beautiful black guy and she would have talked his ear off and then...

She hadn't met Raf at that point. There is no way that the guy was Rudy but not because of some aging Seattlites POV.

Oh who gives a damn Grinder? It's damn clear that this person wasn't Rudy. At least you are smart enough to recognize that.

You can pretend that Rudy is some gorgeous male model but some of us know a duck when we see one. You know, ...... if it looks like a duck............

 

[acbytesla]

Helping him? I just hate badly thought out arguments. Just like the kids have to be innocent and the knife could be the knife because they wouldn't have taken it to the cottage.

I've already "helped" you by explaining why the beautiful black couldn't have been Rudy.

As for Mach, I'm way more interested in his POV about media access than her sex life.

No Grinder, I think what you hate is logic.... because in your world...anything is possible.

 

[christianahannah]

We know that Rudy had his apartment at Via del Canerino but, actually, the problem is: who could keep track of what Rudy was doing at the moment? Who knows what Rudy was doing? Over the latest time, it appears that it was a problem for his friends and relatives to know about that too.

Well I meant in the general sense of time and not at the exact moment. I was just wondering how the two events align themselves to each other.

 

[Grinder]

But I have the entire minutes and statements, and no police officers gave them to me: they all came from lawyers. These statements were deposited at the prelimiary judge's office on Nov. 8. and were released to the atorneys on Nov. 6. This includes Lumumba attorneys and the civil party attorneys.
Everybody had them by that time.

Are you saying that the statements made by Amanda before being vetted by the SC were made available to all the defense attorneys?

What do you mean by minutes? Are there transcripts of the interrogations?

You could complain both about transparency abd about secrecy. You have disadvantages in both cases.

I see no reason why everything needs to be open before charges are filed. Of course this is another problem with the Italian system because they can wait a year to charge.

 

[Strozzi]

What I found most disturbing in Knox's comment about the "most beautiful black man he ever met", is not his looking but the fact that she never revealed his name. Not even in her book.
Though, she knew for sure because this was a person to whom she promised they would meet again after her return from Germany.
I find it disturbing because you may count black men attending bars in Via Garibaldi just like you know your neighbours. Can you imagine how small the place is? How little the bars? Who is this unknown second black man? It should be extremly easy to identify him and find him if we just had his name.

Is there any evidence that Knox literally intended to meet this man again? Did she write down his name? His phone number? If she did, I would expect the police to have it as the police confiscated her phone and any existent notes that she had when they imprisoned her.

 

[Grinder]

Oh who gives a damn Grinder? It's damn clear that this person wasn't Rudy. At least you are smart enough to recognize that.

You can pretend that Rudy is some gorgeous male model but some of us know a duck when we see one. You know, ...... if it looks like a duck............

deep seated problems tesla.

No Grinder, I think what you hate is logic.... because in your world...anything is possible.

never said that. perhaps you should go to the mountains where it is snowing and you can make snowmen which is almost like your favorite thing - straw men.

please source where I said anything is possible

 

[acbytesla]

deep seated problems tesla.

We all have problems Grinder, I'm sure you have a few.


never said that. perhaps you should go to the mountains where it is snowing and you can make snowmen which is almost like your favorite thing - straw men.

please source where I said anything is possible

What I'm not going to do is comb through your 4 thousand posts one by one. And from what I can tell, with this site, it is impossible to really search through it with Boolean logic operators.

But you probably never actually said those words specifically, just the logic and some of the crazy scenarios you are willing to entertain shows that you are unwilling to filter out the absurd and ridiculous.

 

[Machiavelli]

Could comment. I've met plenty a person and said I hoped we would meet again and it never happened. I think had she seen him again she would have put it on her MySpace or emailed it or written another short story about him

Tesla didn't get it but had that been the guy she would have blurted it out the second she met him in town with her neighbors. She would have giddy as a six year old in a candy store. She would have told Meredith that this was the beautiful black guy and she would have talked his ear off and then...

It's a bit unconvincing. She could have met him again but nothing happened. We know that he was at the downstairs apartment and that they talked to each other on that occasion. We know that Guede told his friends "I'd like to bang her" and this suggests he didn't do that by that time.
Moreover Knox's MySpace was not even very well updated, if I recall that correctly. She didn't have a 24h internet access at that time.

She hadn't met Raf at that point. There is no way that the guy was Rudy but not because of some aging Seattlites POV

.

But she had already given her phone number to a drug dealer, then she had met Juve or some other, and she also started to have some coming outs about Meredith and Giacomo that we may define seductive (suggesting that she would be confortable being seen naked by her friend's boyfriends) and even jealous (her attempts to attract attention). Then, it was I think Sophie who recalled how Meredith found it strange about Amanda that she would be infatuated so quickly with guys and start intimate relations so instantly.
Knox seemed very ready to be completely caught by someone but also quite volatile. There is something immature, even childish, in her intensity and changes. So I really find it difficult to make inferences based on the assumption that Knox would be easilly predictable.

 

[Machiavelli]

Is there any evidence that Knox literally intended to meet this man again? Did she write down his name? His phone number? If she did, I would expect the police to have it as the police confiscated her phone and any existent notes that she had when they imprisoned her.

Ehm, no there is no number but... this is another strange element in fact. If she really liked him (as she writes in her page, and there is no particular reason to believe she lies on her MySpace) in a situation like this, you would expect that they would probably exchange their phone numbers. The fact they didn't do that despite they liked each other, is itself not what you would expect. Unless they were both shy people (they were not). But what if the man didn't have a cell phone?

 

[kwill]

Her whole diary was photocopied, and put into the investigation file.

And was the investigation file made public by the attorneys?

 

[Mary_H]

<snip>Mary is a very shallow girl. I'm sure the boy was charming as all get out and being that I was on the same train I can tell you the girl was flat and had no shape to her legs.<snip>

Like Amanda, when it comes to men, I tend to look at faces. And now we know, when it comes to women, what you tend to look at!