Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Mojo]

The highlighted makes no sense. Rewrite it.

It makes perfect sense. Reread it.

 

[Dcdrac]

This study included unvaccinated children clayton

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

and so does this one:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x/full

also this one

http://www.bmj.com/content/322/7284/460

 

[Tomtomkent]

There have been no studies of unvaccinated children.

The highlighted makes no sense. Rewrite it.

The first point is factually untrue. The second is worrying.

Why are you conplaining that a method described by your link as ineffective was not used, given a multitude of alternate forms of research available?

 

[Clayton Moore]

This study included unvaccinated children clayton

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

and so does this one:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x/full

also this one

http://www.bmj.com/content/322/7284/460

All garbage.

 

[Mojo]

All garbage.

On what grounds do you come to this conclusion?

 

[Tomtomkent]

All garbage.

Like the claim there had been no such studies?

 

[Clayton Moore]

On what grounds do you come to this conclusion?

I've commented on that type nonsense, maybe even that nonsense, earlier in the the thread.

Where is the US study of unvaccinated children? It ain't happening for a reason.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Where is the US study of unvaccinated children? It ain't happening for a reason.

Is the New England Journal of Medicine from a different New England to the one in America then? Or is the study only valid when of American children too?

 

[dafydd]

aahhahahahahhahaha

That's about as intellectual as you get.

 

[Tomtomkent]

By the way. I happen to consider it racist to jude the study on nationality rather than evidence and accuracy. Feel free to correct me if you have a valid reason to do so. None has ever been provided in this thread.

 

[dafydd]

On what grounds do you come to this conclusion?

Not by looking at the evidence.

 

[Clayton Moore]

By the way. I happen to consider it racist to jude the study on nationality rather than evidence and accuracy. Feel free to correct me if you have a valid reason to do so. None has ever been provided in this thread.

There is no valid reason why an American Autism study has not been done on unvaccinated American children.

 

[dafydd]

There is no valid reason why an American Autism study has not been done on unvaccinated American children.

Here is some more evidence for you to ignore, I bet that you won't even glance at it.

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...a=X&ei=z-WAUu_RIs_QsgaR34DIAQ&ved=0CCoQgQMwAA

http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vacci...inated-children/survey-results-illnesses.html


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120822181234.htm

 

[Dcdrac]

Autism is autism wherever it is clayton geography has nothing to do with it.

 

[Estellea]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/...s.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e20147e0324398970b


These studies would be difficult to perform because of the likely differences among these 3 groups in health care seeking behavior and the ethics of experimentally studying children who have not received vaccines.

Which is false: http://pediatrics.aappublications.o...EX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT%20
Selective/delayed vaccinated children actually performed worse for numerous measurements than fully-vaccinated children but weren't statistically-significant in subsequent analyses. You don't hear the science crowd crowing that vaccines protect children contrary to anti-vaxx nutters lying about studies. This was done in the U.S. with U.S. children and the investigators did this study on their own time and dime.

Because he didn't get the result he wanted.

Bingo!

I've commented on that type nonsense, maybe even that nonsense, earlier in the the thread.

Where is the US study of unvaccinated children? It ain't happening for a reason.

You have never done any such thing Clayton because you don't have the education to do so contrary to your claims of "being smarter than 98.7 people" (which may be the only factually true thing you have stated). Why do you invoke foreign studies then when you think they provide the results that confirm your biases? How do you explain this double standard?

Este

 

[dafydd]

Autism is autism wherever it is clayton geography has nothing to do with it.

Not in his vaccination fantasy world.

 

[Garrison]

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/...s.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e20147e0324398970b



These studies would be difficult to perform because of the likely differences among these 3 groups in health care seeking behavior and the ethics of experimentally studying children who have not received vaccines.

And after all how could you trust the findings of a doctor who performed unethical experiments on children?

 

[Tomtomkent]

There is no valid reason why an American Autism study has not been done on unvaccinated American children.

So you disagree with the post you made earlier that (literally) highlighted one such reason:

These studies would be difficult to perform because of the likely differences among these 3 groups in health care seeking behavior and the ethics of experimentally studying children who have not received vaccines.

?

Which of your two contradictory posts is truthful?

 

[dafydd]

So you disagree with the post you made earlier that (literally) highlighted one such reason:

?

Which of your two contradictory posts is truthful?

Clayton has a very bad memory.

 

[Tomtomkent]

And no knowledge of meta- studies, patient records studies, or other forms of study than the (experimental) form that is clearly being discussed in his own quote. I can only assume that was why he resorted to "ahahahahaha" and a sourceless opinion in a quote box rather than actually answering my question. He must have forgotten what he posted....

Or not understood it...

Neither are exactly promising for a worthwhile discussion are they?