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Right Wing declares war on Right Wing Watch

Travis

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Right Wing Watch is a great resource for those trying to keep up on the various doings of America's political conservatives. And it seems said political conservatives don't like it archiving the things they say.

David Takes Down Goliath -- Anti-Jesus Group Right Wing Watch Terminated by YouTube After Chaplain Files Copyright Infringement Claims
WASHINGTON, Nov. 7, 2013 /Christian Newswire/ -- The anti-Christian group Right Wing Watch (RWW) had their YouTube account terminated today after repeated violations of copyright infringement, theft, and allowing followers to issue death threats against a Christian chaplain.
Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt, PhD, who is now a candidate for state representative in Colorado successfully persuaded YouTube to terminate the anti-Christian group's account, after RWW repeatedly stole, copied, and re-published without permission as many as 90 videos created and copyrighted by Chaplain's corporation, The Pray In Jesus Name Project.
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Now I've been reading Right Wing Watch for some time now. I don't recall ever reading anything on the website that would fall under the term "anti-Christian" or "anti-Jesus." In fact the website and the Youtube channel have never offered up opinions on the existence of Jesus or the merits of Christianity.


Nonetheless they have declared the website and Youtube channel to be the enemies of both.


Right Wing Watch has appealed this malicious attack on them and issued the following statement:


"We are confident that our videos are protected under Fair Use, as has always been the case in our previous experience with these sorts of copyright complaints. But this just goes to show the lengths that right-wing activists will go to in an effort to conceal their extremist rhetoric."
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Travis said:
Right Wing Watch is a great resource for those trying to keep up on the various doings of America's political conservatives. And it seems said political conservatives don't like it archiving the things they say.

David Takes Down Goliath -- Anti-Jesus Group Right Wing Watch Terminated by YouTube After Chaplain Files Copyright Infringement Claims
WASHINGTON, Nov. 7, 2013 /Christian Newswire/ -- The anti-Christian group Right Wing Watch (RWW) had their YouTube account terminated today after repeated violations of copyright infringement, theft, and allowing followers to issue death threats against a Christian chaplain.
Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt, PhD, who is now a candidate for state representative in Colorado successfully persuaded YouTube to terminate the anti-Christian group's account, after RWW repeatedly stole, copied, and re-published without permission as many as 90 videos created and copyrighted by Chaplain's corporation, The Pray In Jesus Name Project.
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Now I've been reading Right Wing Watch for some time now. I don't recall ever reading anything on the website that would fall under the term "anti-Christian" or "anti-Jesus." In fact the website and the Youtube channel have never offered up opinions on the existence of Jesus or the merits of Christianity.


Nonetheless they have declared the website and Youtube channel to be the enemies of both.


Right Wing Watch has appealed this malicious attack on them and issued the following statement:


"We are confident that our videos are protected under Fair Use, as has always been the case in our previous experience with these sorts of copyright complaints. But this just goes to show the lengths that right-wing activists will go to in an effort to conceal their extremist rhetoric."
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Lolz. A great resource? For confirmation bias?
 
Hey, they aren't forcing the people to say what they say. They only archive it all.
 
Travis said:
Hey, they aren't forcing the people to say what they say. They only archive it all.
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Conservatives obviously hate being reminded what their heroes say.

Cowardly YouTube. I trust they will now pull down every single video which have other sources. :rolleyes:
 
a_unique_person said:
They are archiving actual footage that these people voluntarily make. :confused::confused:
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Obviously, 16.5 is saying that just listening to what the right wingers are saying leads to a bias as to what they stand for. That's why conservatives communicate via telepathy.
 
lionking said:
Conservatives obviously hate being reminded what their heroes say.

Cowardly YouTube. I trust they will now pull down every single video which have other sources. :rolleyes:
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YouTube normally overreacts when they get a copyright claim. It's easier and cheaper for them to simply shut down the offending channel, or remove the videos than to first investigate. False copyright claims is a scourge for many content providers on YT, and often used as a form of censorship.
 
uke2se said:
YouTube normally overreacts when they get a copyright claim. It's easier and cheaper for them to simply shut down the offending channel, or remove the videos than to first investigate. False copyright claims is a scourge for many content providers on YT, and often used as a form of censorship.
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Agreed. But I think that, as this would always be a high profile case, they would look very closely at the fair use principal rather than just banning RWW. Lawyers at ten paces it seems.
 
lionking said:
Agreed. But I think that, as this would always be a high profile case, they would look very closely at the fair use principal rather than just banning RWW. Lawyers at ten paces it seems.
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Most likely outcome is the same as has happened to many other channels hit with false claims: restoration of the channel and all videos. RWW could take it further and go to court to get the nutters who false flagged them, but I don't think that's really viable.
 
Dog Town said:
I could give you a mirror!
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I do need to get to work on Stundie Finals. :D

uke2se said:
YouTube normally overreacts when they get a copyright claim. It's easier and cheaper for them to simply shut down the offending channel, or remove the videos than to first investigate. False copyright claims is a scourge for many content providers on YT, and often used as a form of censorship.
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It is a cowardly one too.
 
This, about commenters on the YouTube account, if true, is certainly troubling:

Three of those posts, still active on YouTube as of 16 Aug, call upon RWW's followers to kill Chaplain Klingenschmitt:
1. can we murder this ****
2. I don't think he's a fetus. So yeah, you could murder him and still be pro-life.
3. Another white *** cracker ***** that needs a .45 Caliber renovation. - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/lesson-dr-chaps-how-internet-works#sthash.1Nh7Vgq3.dpuf
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I have actually mostly decided not to moderate comments at SLC because there is so much vile back and forth that it seems like too much of a chore to sort it all out. James and I have vehemently refused a couple of lawyer requests to remove comments about specific individuals, based on several court cases.

On the "fair use" issue, it's complicated. The question is largely how much of the material is used and how extensive is the rebuttal. If RWW is posting a 45-minute speech and countering it with "these guys are idiots" then I don't think there's much doubt that it's not fair use. If there is detailed rebuttal (especially inside the video) then they should have the right.
 
Yeah, I just noticed it seems their videos are up again.
 
I commented the other day that I had "liked" RWW on Facebook and was frankly astounded at the sheer volume of lunacy portrayed... And by quoting these people directly.

I remember getting into my patrol car one night a couple of summers ago and someone had left the car radio on. When I turned on the car I was greeted by Glen Beck in full cry... Moaning about "taking America back" from Obama....
I don't know exactly how many people would qualify as harboring extreme beliefs, but I find it depressing that there appears to be so many.
 
Brainster said:
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On the "fair use" issue, it's complicated. The question is largely how much of the material is used and how extensive is the rebuttal. If RWW is posting a 45-minute speech and countering it with "these guys are idiots" then I don't think there's much doubt that it's not fair use. If there is detailed rebuttal (especially inside the video) then they should have the right.
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Can you explain this further? If a 45-minute speech is posted, and it's copyrighted, how can that be fair use? Why does the fair use criteria depend on the rebuttal?
 
a_unique_person said:
They are archiving actual footage that these people voluntarily make. :confused::confused:
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Basically you are watching silly videos from the fringe of the fringe and concluding that it constitutes "the right wing."

Why would you watch these things anyway.

Ohhh, these videos make me so mad!
 
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