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Janadele said:
From memories from our pre mortal existence... which allows our Spirits to recognise the Eternal Gospel, with assistance from the Spirit of Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
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Yet the BoM and the BoA are fraudulent, therefore they are not sacred scripture.

You lose, Jack bigot.
 
Janadele said:
As always, my posts are perfectly clear and do not require tedious dissection or explanation.
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To you maybe, but to others, not so much. I'll just start with post 5912 And then everyone can just scroll through the 20 or so posts so they get it all in chronological order and in complete context.

Need I repeat, Pup said that there aren't any scriptures for the hollow earth cause it's not. That was post 5917

Six posts later 5923 you post five D&C scriptures saying:

Section 29:14 and there shall be greater signs in heaven above and in the earth beneath;

Section 45:40 And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath.

Section 88:79 Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth;

Section 84:100 The Lord hath brought down Zion from above. The Lord hath brought up Zion from beneath. 101 The earth hath travailed and brought forth her strength; And truth is established in her bowels;

Section 101:34 Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven.
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So when pakeha responded in post 5926 by quoting the link to the scriptures you posted in 5923 asked if you were saying the hollow earth is part of LDS doctrine and you answered with post 5931 the D&C is doctrine, in effect you seem to be saying that you believe that the scriptures above are are saying the earth is hollow. Therefore since they're in the D&C one can conclude that you're saying it's Church doctrine. Otherwise when everyone was asking, "Do those scriptures mean to you that the Earth is hollow? If not then what do those scriptures mean and why did you post them?" You would have responded in the negative, but you omitted answering it, which is deceitful, in my opinion as it leads others to believe that that's what you meant.

So now I'm confused, you've made it sound even more like you're saying the hollow earth is LDS doctrine than you were saying in your original post. So why did you say that I made a gross misrepresentation of your words, and why did you say "[Cat Tale] refers to my words as if I am saying hollow earth is LDS doctrine, when of course I am saying nothing of the kind." You can't have it both ways. It either is, or it isn't. Which is it? Your posts are not always perfectly clear, at least not to me.

Janadele said:
Discussions of actual LDS beliefs is fine... but posting nonsense as being LDS when it is not LDS is not.
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:rolleyes:
 
Janadele said:
From memories from our pre mortal existence... which allows our Spirits to recognise the Eternal Gospel, with assistance from the Spirit of Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
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My memories of of pre mortal existence show me joe was a fraud, therefore my scriptures of the holy noodle are correct.
 
Janadele said:
From memories from our pre mortal existence... which allows our Spirits to recognise the Eternal Gospel, with assistance from the Spirit of Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
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Yet the BoM and BoA are not the Eternal Gospel, but are fraudulent. So either

a) the Spirit of Jesus and the Holy Spirit deliberately misled you

b) Some evil influence (Satan?) convinced you that it was the Spirit of Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit in order to deliberately mislead you

or

c) You mistook your own fallible mental processes for communication from the Spirit of Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit

Fortunately you can examine the evidence and see for yourself that the BoM and BoA are fraudulent, so whatever it was that caused you to make the mistake you can correct it.
 
Janadele said:
Unacceptable... when you accuse a poster of making such a reference, either proof or a withdrawal of such accusation is required.
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You dismissed the reports that the Spencer Lake Horse Skull was, in fact, a hoax (among which was a press release form BYU) as propaganda.

If you are not honest enought to keep track of the things you say, I am not going to do it for you--only to have it ignored when I do.

For instance, I notice that several posters have pointed out to you that your link (via Victoria Jackson) to David Kupelian's screed contains multiple demonstrable outright lies. You may say that it is not you who is doing the lying (the only thing you contributed to the material was the phrase, "Informative reading relating to some of the questions being asked:"), but you offered trhe lies as purported responses to questions put to you.

When do you intend to address the dishonesties of that post? Why are you reduced to using demonstrable falsehoods to support your campaign?

You have still not addressed any of the questions about your 'gaoled' pastor.

You have still not addressed any of the patent fabrications in the BoM.

You have still not addressed any of the transparent frauds in the BoA.

I find THAT "unacceptable"...
 
Janadele said:
From memories from our pre mortal existence... which allows our Spirits to recognise the Eternal Gospel, with assistance from the Spirit of Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
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Memories? Like actual memories? One of the least reliable feature humans have?
How do you know your "memories" aren't a product of satan to mislead you? How would you know?
 
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Slowvehicle said:
Is that in the same way you remember being Elizabeth I, and writing much of what is attributed to Shakespeare?
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Ouch. I forgot about that one. And just for the record, Mormons don't accept reincarnation. Naughty, naughty Janadele. Those pesky, pesky pre-mortal memories, leading you astray. :(
 
Janadele said:
Sacred Scripture cannot be fraudulent pakeha.
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Since I was able to show you just how wrong the very first verses of the BoA are, Janadele, it's clear the BoA is not sacred, but rather a delierate fraud.


Janadele said:
pakeha in post 8492 you have put your question to me in the wrong sequence.

As you are aware the sequence is as I have posted in 8490... The question being post 5926 and the response being post 5931.

The Scriptures you have reposted were a previous post 5923
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Are those cited verses your proof of references to a hollow earth or are they not?
If not, please forgive my ignorance and show me that the LDS has the idea of a hollow earth as doctrine, please.

Janadele said:
From memories from our pre mortal existence... which allows our Spirits to recognise the Eternal Gospel, with assistance from the Spirit of Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
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The first verses of the BoA are evidence of the fraudulent nature of Smith's con, Janadele. It's hardly an Eternal Gospel, no matter what your or any other Mormons' personal revelations have to say.
 
Janadele said:
I have NEVER referred to BYU as an "anti-mormon propaganda" source.
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You have, frequently, referred to anything that you disagreed with as "anti-mormon propaganda". Given your aggression here, I suspect that specific reference is no longer to be found--either AAH'ed, or self-edited (not that you have any history of changing posts or anything...). I have no desire to wade back through your prose. Since you are now not claiming that BYU is a source of "anti mormon" information, does this mean that you now admit that BYU's report that the Spencer Lake Horse was a hoax is correct, that the Spencer Lake horse skull does not provide support for the existence of horses and a horse culture in the pre-Colombian americas, and that "Steve's" claims of its authenticity are wrong?

What about your claim of being Elizabeth I and writing Shakespeare?

What about all, or any, of the other questions I have asked you?
 
I suspect she didn't bother to figure out if the person she was dismissing as an anti Mormon Propagandist was a BYU archeologist or anthropologist.
 
Janadele said:
I have NEVER referred to BYU as an "anti-mormon propaganda" source.
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You attacked B.H. Roberts. A former Mormon authority. He died a believer but was honest enough to admit that the BoM was likely a fraud.

You are just ad hominem poisoning the well against anyone that says something you don't agree with.
 
Janadele said:
From memories from our pre mortal existence... which allows our Spirits to recognise the Eternal Gospel, with assistance from the Spirit of Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
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You really don't need the scriptures then?
 
desertgal said:
Oh, no, she din't...really?

I thought Jack Mormons don't believe in reincarnation?
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1. In Latter-day Saint belief, there is only one physical death for any one person (Heb. 9:27). Amulek, in the Book of Mormon, taught that man can die only once (Alma 11:45). Reincarnation posits many deaths, but in Latter-day Saint thought, the resurrection (incarnation) follows death (cf. D&C 29:24-25).
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So, Sort of.
 
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Slow Vehicle, Rand Fan and others.. you are inventing claims and statements you say I have made whilst having no words of mine to support such suppositions nor prerogative to do so.
 
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