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JFK's assassination: your thoughts

What's your current belief about this?

  • Probably just Oswald acting alone

    Votes: 189 88.3%
  • Probably the Mafia

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Probably the CIA

    Votes: 5 2.3%
  • Mixed feelings/not sure

    Votes: 8 3.7%
  • other (desc)

    Votes: 11 5.1%

  • Total voters
    214
It did leak like a sieve. We know the FBIs own tests showed it left copious gunshot residue on the cheeks of every test shooter in their tests.

With some caveats, we can be reasonably certain Oswald hadn't fired any rifle that day.

Actually, without caveat, we can be certain beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald did fire the Carcano from the sixth floor of the TSBD, killing JFK. Then he went on to kill Officer Tippit while trying to make his escape. Then he tried to kill other police officers in the theater where he was cornered.
 
The poll at the top of this thread is very interesting. 90% think Oswald acted alone? I can't imagine that kind of result anywhere else.

Do JREF users have superior insight into the case that everyone else, including those actually involved with it don't?

Let's try and work out how some of them may have voted:

I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger.
Lyndon Johnson, Atlantic Monthly 1973
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/73jul/janos.htm

(Asked whether he thought Oswald killed Kennedy)
Absolutely not...I do not, for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission...I will never speak out publicly about what I believe.
John Connally, interview with Doug Thompson
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_doug_tho_060330_is_deception_the_bes.htm

(When asked if Oswald did it)
If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.
J Edgar Hoover to Billy Byars Jr
‘Somebody Would have Talked’ by Larry Hancock.

I never believed that Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy without at least some encouragement from others.
Warren Commision member Richard Russell, 1970 TV interview
http://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1136&context=fac_pm

He publicly supported the Warren Commission report but privately he was dismissive of it…(he) was fairly convinced others were involved
RFK Jr on his father Robert Kennedy, Charlie Rose interview
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/12/rfk-kennedy-assassination-warren/1828405/

Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission – on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the guns, you name it…
Warren Commision member Hale Boggs
‘Coincidence of Conspiracy’ by Bud Fensterwald Jr. and Michael Ewing

Dr. Burkley advised him that although he, Burkley, had signed the death certificate of President Kennedy in Dallas, he had never been interviewed and that he has information in the Kennedy assassination indicating that others besides Oswald must have participated
Admiral George Burkley (Kennedy’s Doctor who treated him at Parkland and attended the autopsy) in HSCA memo 1977.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/autopsy/Dr_Burkley.html

I think there’s a possibility there could have been another man
Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, filmed interview for 1978 documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUl4SL5U8A

McCone thought there were two people involved in the shooting
John McCone (head of the CIA in 1963) statement reported by historian Arthur Schlesinger
http://www.amazon.com/Journals-1952-2000-Arthur-Schlesinger-Jr/dp/0143114352


We know the CIA was involved, and the Mafia. We all know that.
Richard Goodwin, (Kennedy counsel and deputy secretary of state) in interview with David Talbot
http://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Hidden-History-Kennedy-Years/dp/0743269195


The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.
Final report of the HSCA

The more witnesses we talk to, the more they raised the fact that the Warren Commission really is a house of cards.
Richard Schweiker, chair of the Church Committee and member of the HSCA.

Roy accepted that there was a conspiracy. I'll accept that.
Head of secret service security on 22/11/63 Roy Kellermen's views as reported by his wife.
Vanity Fair article 1994.

Perhaps there was only one assassin, but he did not act alone
Message from RFK and Jackie Kennedy relayed to Khrushchev by William Walton
http://www.amazon.com/One-Hell-Gamble-Khrushchev-1958-1964/dp/0393317900

I didn't shoot anybody, no sir...I'm just a patsy.
Lee Harvey Oswald to reporters, Nov 22nd 1963

I wonder what the results of the poll would have been if these people had voted?
 
The poll at the top of this thread is very interesting. 90% think Oswald acted alone? I can't imagine that kind of result anywhere else.

Do JREF users have superior insight into the case that everyone else, including those actually involved with it don't?

Let's try and work out how some of them may have voted:


Lyndon Johnson, Atlantic Monthly 1973
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/73jul/janos.htm

(Asked whether he thought Oswald killed Kennedy)

John Connally, interview with Doug Thompson
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_doug_tho_060330_is_deception_the_bes.htm

(When asked if Oswald did it)

J Edgar Hoover to Billy Byars Jr
‘Somebody Would have Talked’ by Larry Hancock.


Warren Commision member Richard Russell, 1970 TV interview
http://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1136&context=fac_pm


RFK Jr on his father Robert Kennedy, Charlie Rose interview
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/12/rfk-kennedy-assassination-warren/1828405/


Warren Commision member Hale Boggs
‘Coincidence of Conspiracy’ by Bud Fensterwald Jr. and Michael Ewing


Admiral George Burkley (Kennedy’s Doctor who treated him at Parkland and attended the autopsy) in HSCA memo 1977.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/autopsy/Dr_Burkley.html

Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, filmed interview for 1978 documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUl4SL5U8A

John McCone (head of the CIA in 1963) statement reported by historian Arthur Schlesinger
http://www.amazon.com/Journals-1952-2000-Arthur-Schlesinger-Jr/dp/0143114352


Richard Goodwin, (Kennedy counsel and deputy secretary of state) in interview with David Talbot
http://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Hidden-History-Kennedy-Years/dp/0743269195



Final report of the HSCA


Richard Schweiker, chair of the Church Committee and member of the HSCA.


Head of secret service security on 22/11/63 Roy Kellermen's views as reported by his wife.
Vanity Fair article 1994.


Message from RFK and Jackie Kennedy relayed to Khrushchev by William Walton
http://www.amazon.com/One-Hell-Gamble-Khrushchev-1958-1964/dp/0393317900


Lee Harvey Oswald to reporters, Nov 22nd 1963

I wonder what the results of the poll would have been if these people had voted?

Most of the people in this poll have participated or followed the debate on the ongoing thread and seen all substantial evidence of non-LHO participattion get shredded. Please review and comment here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254176
 
Actually, without caveat, we can be certain beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald did fire the Carcano from the sixth floor of the TSBD, killing JFK. Then he went on to kill Officer Tippit while trying to make his escape. Then he tried to kill other police officers in the theater where he was cornered.

Those are just assertions.

As the actual person in charge of the investigation put it -
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand
Dallas Police chief Jesse Curry.

I would also have thought it quite difficult to have killed Kennedy with a rifle when the hard forensic evidence shows you hadn't fired a rifle that day. What did Oswald do, hit Kennedy over the head with it?

Several people saw a man with a gun in a window of the TSBD that day, but the Warren Commission were really only able to find 1 single witnesses that was willing to say it was Oswald - Howard Brennan (although he actually failed to identify him at first).

However, Brennan gave a description of a man in light-colored clothing. Oswald was actually wearing a dark red/brown shirt and dark trousers. Brennan admits in his Warren Commision testimony that the man he saw was wearing different clothes to the ones Oswald was wearing - in other words it couldn't have been him.

Brennan also gives the individuals height, even though he couldn't possibly have ascertained this as the window in question is at floor level and any shooter would have to be crouched down to fire out of it.

Fortunately we can test Brennan's testimony because his actions are recorded in the Zapruder film. In his evidence he says he turned to look up at the 6th floor window after hearing the first shot. In the Zapruder film he actually continues to look at the motorcade then turns to his right, away from the TSBD.

3 other witnesses saw a man or men with a gun in the in a window of the TSBD, none of them support Oswald as the individual. Arnold Rowland saw a man with a gun on the 6th floor at 12:15, but that man was black.

Caroline Arnold, James Jarman and Harold Norman all saw Oswald on the lower floors of the TSBD when he should have been on the 6th floor. This supports both Oswalds own alibi and his encounter with a policeman shortly after the shooting on the 1st or 2nd floor.

So Jesse Curry's statement was entirely correct - there was no evidence placing Oswald on the 6th floor with a rifle at the time of the shooting.
 
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It did leak like a sieve. We know the FBIs own tests showed it left copious gunshot residue on the cheeks of every test shooter in their tests.

With some caveats, we can be reasonably certain Oswald hadn't fired any rifle that day.

Might want to read posts up thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9551022&postcount=498

From the WC

CUNNINGHAM: Yes. We fired the rifle. Mr. Killion fired it three times rapidly, using similar ammunition to that used in the assassination. We reran the tests both on the cheek and both hands. This time we got a negative reaction on all casts.

EISENBERG: So to recapitulate, after firing the rifle rapid-fire no residues of any nitrate were picked off Mr. Killion's cheek?

CUNNINGHAM: That is correct, and there were none on the hands. We cleaned off the rifle again with dilute HCl. I loaded it for him. He held it in one of the cleaned areas and I pushed the clip in so he would not have to get his hands near the chamber—in other words, so he wouldn’t pick up residues, from it, or from the action, or from the receiver. When we ran the casts, we got no reaction on either hand or on his cheek. On the controls, when he hadn't fired a gun all day, we got numerous reactions.

and further:

EISENBERG: A paraffin test was also run of Oswald's cheek and it produced a negative result.

CUNNINGHAM: Yes.

EISENBERG: Do your tests, or do the tests which you ran, or your experience with revolvers and rifles, cast any light on the significance of a negative result being obtained on the right cheek?

CUNNINGHAM: No, sir; I personally wouldn’t expect to find any residues on a person's right cheek after firing a rifle due to the fact that by the very principles and the manufacture and the action, the cartridge itself is sealed into the chamber by the bolt being closed behind it, and upon firing the case, the cartridge case expands into the chamber filling it up and sealing it off from the gases, so none will come back in your face, and so by its very nature, I would not expect to find residue on the right cheek of a shooter.

ETA:

Better read this post as well:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9550901&postcount=490

Have an answer for this post?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...&postcount=465

The paraffin test is not a conclusive finding.

The reason that the test isn't used and hasn't been used for quite some time is that it's not a relaible, and this was a known defect in the test even before the JFK assassination.

You can get both false positives and false negatives:

http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu...9&context=mulr

FALLIBLE NATURE OF THE TEST

If we are looking for a chemical test for gunpowder residues which
is 100 percent infallible, we have none at the present time.21 While
present day chemical tests for gunpowder residues are based on Locard's
"Exchange Principle" and upon the premise that the hand of a
person firing a revolver will have gunpowder residues on it after firing
a gun, as Dr. Mathews points out, this assumption may or may not be valid:


In the case of rifles and shotguns neither hand is ordinarily
in a position to receive anything from the force of the explosion.
In the case of revolvers and pistols there are many situations
where the hand will not receive any nitrates (or nitrites) from
the explosion. If a revolver is well made, and pertinent tolerances
are at minimum, the amount of gas escape will be negligible.
Often in the less well-made revolvers there is sufficient
clearance and looseness of fit of the cartridge to allow the 'passage'
of gas necessary to produce powder staining on the hand.
 
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Soily:

"The poll at the top of this thread is very interesting. 90% think Oswald acted alone? I can't imagine that kind of result anywhere else."

Not unusual at all if you take into account the demographic of JREF members.

There are scientists, engineers, etc, and folks practicing rational thought interested in all sorts of disciplines.

I'm just an old retired guy that knows about firearms and associated subjects, and dealt with those issues professionally for the whole of my adult life.

You'll find out here (if you read through the whole thread) that there are folks well informed about the JFK assassination that do have knowledge of the established facts and evidence that when they read a statement such as yours (it leaked like a sieve) know it to be false because not just the WC testimony above, they've fired a carcano themselves and know the subject matter first hand - the same goes for the assertions about faked photos of LHO, his supposed CIA connections and every other detail you'd care to refer to as evidence of conspiracy.

Again, I suggest you read through this thread as well as the "it never ends" thread as well. You'll find many reasonable answers to questions commonly accepted by CT believers as fact.
 
The excerpts you're quoting there are about paraffin tests, which is not what I was referring to.

The FBI actually conducted other tests - including neutron activation analysis, that showed Oswald hadn't fired a rifle that day. As Harold Weisberg discovered, the FBI conducted control tests that showed gunshot residue was always present on the cheek of test shooters using the same model of Carcano. They were unable to find any presence of this on Oswald's cast using the NAA process - a method that's perfectly reliable and sill used today.

Whilst I wouldn't accuse Mr Cunningham of committing perjury, the FBI knew full well his statement about the likelihood of that rifle depositing gunshot residue on the shooters cheek was false because there own tests showed it did in copious amounts.

Oswald cannot have killed Kennedy if he hadn't fired a rifle. The evidence tells us he didn't.
 
The excerpts you're quoting there are about paraffin tests, which is not what I was referring to.

The FBI actually conducted other tests - including neutron activation analysis, that showed Oswald hadn't fired a rifle that day. As Harold Weisberg discovered, the FBI conducted control tests that showed gunshot residue was always present on the cheek of test shooters using the same model of Carcano. They were unable to find any presence of this on Oswald's cast using the NAA process - a method that's perfectly reliable and sill used today.

Whilst I wouldn't accuse Mr Cunningham of committing perjury, the FBI knew full well his statement about the likelihood of that rifle depositing gunshot residue on the shooters cheek was false because there own tests showed it did in copious amounts.

Oswald cannot have killed Kennedy if he hadn't fired a rifle. The evidence tells us he didn't.

Might you have a link to these FBI tests from the primary source?

Bolded - I'm not speculating here - outside of a catastrophic failure of a rifle or shotgun, no modern smokeless powder firearm will deposit nitrate residue on the face of the shooter.

There are some rare exceptions that aren't applicable in this case, but in the interest of accurately describing such events I'll included them here.

Contrary to what you see in the movies wrt sound suppressors on handguns, there's not some minor quiet report at the firing of the piece without other events occurring.

When a suppressed semi auto handgun is fired, because of the additional baffling and what amounts to a restriction of the expanding gases behind the projectile, when the slide moves to the rear and extracts and ejects the spent casing, the gases flow through the path of least resistance, namely the ejection port of the pistol.

Fire enough rounds through the piece w/ the can on and the shooter will look like a chimney sweep.

The other exception to this involves belt fed machineguns, and that is clearly not within the scope of any discussion involving LHO and Dallas.

ETA: just found this:

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Washington 25, D.C.
July 8, 1964
By Courier Service

Honorable J. Lee Rankin
The President’s Commission
200 Maryland Avenue, Northeast
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. Rankin:

As previously reported to the Commission, certain small lead metal fragments uncovered in connection with this matter were analyzed spectrographically to determine whether they could be associated with one or more of the lead bullet fragments and no significant differences were found within the sensitivity of the spectrographic method.
Because of the higher sensitivity of the neutron activation analysis, certain of the small lead fragments were then subjected to neutron activation analyses and comparisons with the larger bullet fragments. The items analyzed included the following: C1—bullet from stretcher; C2—fragment from front seat cushion; C4 and C5—metal fragments from President Kennedy’s head; C9—metal fragment from the arm of Governor Connally; C16—metal fragments from the rear floor board carpet of the car.
While minor variations in composition were fund by this method, these were not considered sufficient to permit positively differentiating among the larger bullet fragments and thus positively determining from which of the larger bullet fragments any given small lead fragment may have come.

Sincerely yours,
J. Edgar Hoover (signed)

If this is the test you're referring to, it doesn't mention anything about LHO not firing a rifle.
 
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Those are just assertions.

As the actual person in charge of the investigation put it -

Dallas Police chief Jesse Curry.

I would also have thought it quite difficult to have killed Kennedy with a rifle when the hard forensic evidence shows you hadn't fired a rifle that day. What did Oswald do, hit Kennedy over the head with it?

Several people saw a man with a gun in a window of the TSBD that day, but the Warren Commission were really only able to find 1 single witnesses that was willing to say it was Oswald - Howard Brennan (although he actually failed to identify him at first).

However, Brennan gave a description of a man in light-colored clothing. Oswald was actually wearing a dark red/brown shirt and dark trousers. Brennan admits in his Warren Commision testimony that the man he saw was wearing different clothes to the ones Oswald was wearing - in other words it couldn't have been him.

Brennan also gives the individuals height, even though he couldn't possibly have ascertained this as the window in question is at floor level and any shooter would have to be crouched down to fire out of it.

Fortunately we can test Brennan's testimony because his actions are recorded in the Zapruder film. In his evidence he says he turned to look up at the 6th floor window after hearing the first shot. In the Zapruder film he actually continues to look at the motorcade then turns to his right, away from the TSBD.

3 other witnesses saw a man or men with a gun in the in a window of the TSBD, none of them support Oswald as the individual. Arnold Rowland saw a man with a gun on the 6th floor at 12:15, but that man was black.

Caroline Arnold, James Jarman and Harold Norman all saw Oswald on the lower floors of the TSBD when he should have been on the 6th floor. This supports both Oswalds own alibi and his encounter with a policeman shortly after the shooting on the 1st or 2nd floor.

So Jesse Curry's statement was entirely correct - there was no evidence placing Oswald on the 6th floor with a rifle at the time of the shooting.

Curry was DPD chief at the time, and CLEO's direct investigations, they are not usually investigators by training or experience and they're law enforcement administrators appointed by whatever body is responsible for such in the municipality in question.

Curry has his opinion on the subject certainly, but if he was involved in the questioning of LHO I've seen no such evidence (or I have and forgotten, getting old is a bitch) and Capt. Fritz was the DPD lead in the investigation (such as it was) before Oswald was shot.
 
Soily:

"The poll at the top of this thread is very interesting. 90% think Oswald acted alone? I can't imagine that kind of result anywhere else."

Not unusual at all if you take into account the demographic of JREF members.

There are scientists, engineers, etc, and folks practicing rational thought interested in all sorts of disciplines.

I'm just an old retired guy that knows about firearms and associated subjects, and dealt with those issues professionally for the whole of my adult life.

You'll find out here (if you read through the whole thread) that there are folks well informed about the JFK assassination that do have knowledge of the established facts and evidence that when they read a statement such as yours (it leaked like a sieve) know it to be false because not just the WC testimony above, they've fired a carcano themselves and know the subject matter first hand - the same goes for the assertions about faked photos of LHO, his supposed CIA connections and every other detail you'd care to refer to as evidence of conspiracy.


The paraffin tests are irrelevant. The cast was tested both spectrographically and with the NAA method and it showed a lack of the chemicals that were present in the control tests, which is exculpatory for Oswald.

And I'm afraid the Carcano did indeed leak like a sieve. As the FBIs own tests (the ones they lied about to the Warren Commision) showed -

http://www.giljesus.com/nitrate_test.JPG

Edited by LashL: 
Changed hotlinked image to regular link. Please see Rule 5.



Vincent Guinn, who conducted the tests, confirmed their findings to the Journal of Forensic science in 1964 -

These measurements, however, produced very interesting results, namely, that firing of this type of rifle deposited quite measurable amounts of Ba (Barium) and Sb (Antimony) on both hands and both cheeks of the firers.

As we can see, the control tests they did showed quite conclusively that the rifle left abundant amounts of the relevant elements on the shooters cheek.

As Warren Commision counsel Norman Redlich admitted to Dulles in a memo -

There is no basis for concluding that he also fired a rifle.
 
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The paraffin tests are irrelevant. The cast was tested both spectrographically and with the NAA method and it showed a lack of the chemicals that were present in the control tests, which is exculpatory for Oswald.

And I'm afraid the Carcano did indeed leak like a sieve. As the FBIs own tests (the ones they lied about to the Warren Commision) showed -

[qimg]http://www.giljesus.com/nitrate_test.JPG[/qimg]


Vincent Guinn, who conducted the tests, confirmed their findings to the Journal of Forensic science in 1964 -



As we can see, the control tests they did showed quite conclusively that the rifle left abundant amounts of the relevant elements on the shooters cheek.

As Warren Commision counsel Norman Redlich admitted to Dulles in a memo -

If you want to go to Gil Jesus, on the very page your test results pic came from he discusses the fact that handling paper would deposit Barium and Antimony on the hands and LHO was seen reading a newspaper, and he extrapolates that out to explain why LHO wasn't the shooter.

So is the test you reference proof that LHO had B & A on his hands from reading the paper or from firing a firearm?

ust note the rifle tested was not the LHO Carcano as well.
 
It's the cheek cast that's relevant here. There could be many reasons for false positives, especially on the hands, but a false negative on the cheek is much harder to explain.
 
It's the cheek cast that's relevant here. There could be many reasons for false positives, especially on the hands, but a false negative on the cheek is much harder to explain
.

Assuming it was a false result.

If LHO's Carcano had tighter headspace than the rifle tested that you assert "leaked like a sieve." it wouldn't have deposited residue, or it could be that the rifle (non-LHO) tested had been stored wrapped in paper before it was acquired for testing purposes, which was very common w/ surplus firearms back in the day. Unfired examples of surplus military rifles generally came to the dealer covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper - I know firsthand because I cleaned 100's of them as a kid that my father sold.

You can still find such examples for sale today, and such examples are the ne plus ultra of surplus rifles.
 
You may be thinking of the Swedish Mauser model of 1900 CG-63 in 6.5 x 55mm. It was used extensively in target competitions in Europe both before and after WWII. The rifle was later updated in chambering to 7.62 NATO and is still being used.

There was one very well noted user of the 6.5 on elephants, W.D.M. Bell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._D._M._Bell

But he used the Mannlicher-Schoenauer in 6.5x54mm, not the Carcano 6.5 x 52mm

I'm a huge fan of the 6.5 Swedish cartridge, and my next wildcat cartridge rifle build will probably be a .378 Weatherby magnum case necked down to 6.5mm.

With proper load development it should be an interesting 1000yd rig.

I was referencing Gus Russo's Live By The Sword: The Secret War Against Castro . While Russo leans toward the "Raul Castro Paid LHO to Do it" camp, it does have great technical data on the Carcano and LHO's USMC shooting scores.

He might not know the difference, and it has been a long time since I read the book.

My point is that the rifle was up to the job, and not some piece of junk as CT want to believe.
 
The numbers don't seem all that high. Why is this considered proof of anything?

Because Oswalds antimony result was half of the absolute lowest numbers they could achieve for someone who had fired a rifle and more than 6 times lower than the highest result.

Thats why the Warren Commision were forced to privately admit that they had no evidence Oswald had fired a rifle that day.

Furthermore, Guinn's original report states that wind makes a huge difference in the depositing of barium and antimony on a shooter, with 50% more antimony deposited than under normal conditions. Oswald was of course accused of firing out of an open 6th floor window on a blustery day (as a side note, Marion Baker recalled it was so windy that day he was almost blown off his motorcycle in Dealey Plaza).
 
My point is that the rifle was up to the job, and not some piece of junk as CT want to believe.

One has to wonder why the CT's seem to think that the evil conspirators would get together and decide to give the pasty an inferior weapon (in their CT eyes) not capable of doing the job........
 
Not really, you just wish they were. You should read the Warren Commission report and their findings. You'll find a link to it in this thread or the other one.

I've read it.

A report so good 3 of its members and the man who commissioned it didn't believe it's own findings.

We know now, from the documents, that the Warren Commision existed as a political fix to close off any speculation that there was a conspiracy. It didn't exist to find out what actually happened. It's was written by lawyers and politicians and is not history.

You should try reading Breach of Trust by Gerald McKnight, who's actually a proper historian.
 
I was referencing Gus Russo's Live By The Sword: The Secret War Against Castro . While Russo leans toward the "Raul Castro Paid LHO to Do it" camp, it does have great technical data on the Carcano and LHO's USMC shooting scores.

He might not know the difference, and it has been a long time since I read the book.

My point is that the rifle was up to the job, and not some piece of junk as CT want to believe.

Absolutely correct.

Since I'm Sicilian, I can relate the standard jokes on the subject relating to Italian rifles and Italian marksmanship.

All surplus WWII Italian rifles were sold with the same story - "Fired twice, Dropped once."

Do you know who put the 6 bullets in Mussolini's head? 600 Italian marksman.

I'll be here all week folks.
 

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