Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Puppycow]

HPV Vaccine: A Strong Criticism from Leading Israeli OBGYN Doctor

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1481510#ixzz2gGA1mMoT


The doctor thinks otherwise.

“ ‘If the HPV vaccine, however, were proven to prevent cervical cancer, that would be something else,’ Beller continued. ‘But it hasn’t. The US Food and Drug Administration checks for safety of the vaccine, but (does not check) for efficacy. There is no evidence that the vaccine protects against cervical cancer, only (that it) counters the virus itself. No decrease in invasive cervical cancer... in the vaccinated population has been documented so far. Australia was the first country to implement a school based mass vaccination program with Gardasil in April 2007.’ The World Health Organization in 2009 recommended the use of HPV vaccines for primary prevention of cervical cancer. But there is no evidence that prophylactic (preventative) vaccination against HPV types 16 and 18 reduces the incidence of cervical cancer (1).”

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1481510#ixzz2gM7RpaP7

Well it's necessarily going to take decades to confirm the long-term effectiveness in prevention of cervical cancer. Considering that mass vaccination only began in 2007 and these cancers may take decades to appear after initial exposure to the virus.

He's basically asking for a multi-decade-long clinical trial before it can be used en masse. A lot of cervical cancers could potentially be prevented by not waiting for decades for such results.

 

[dafydd]

What does that have to the thread?

What does the nonsense that you post here have to do with vaccination?

 

[Dcdrac]

so one Dr who has reservations about one vaccinne I assume clayton you ahve read his full clinical concerns and can demonstrate your understanding of them?

 

[Clayton Moore]

so one Dr who has reservations about one vaccinne I assume clayton you ahve read his full clinical concerns and can demonstrate your understanding of them?

I ahve.

 

[dafydd]

I ahve.

Not enough laughing dogs in world for that one.

 

[Border Reiver]

I ahve.

Please enlighten us then and outline Dr. Beller's clinical concerns.

 

[abaddon]

HPV Vaccine: A Strong Criticism from Leading Israeli OBGYN Doctor

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1481510#ixzz2gGA1mMoT


The doctor thinks otherwise.

That's a Jew. According to your rules, that's automatically a lie, so I am ignoring it.

 

[dafydd]

That's a Jew. According to your rules, that's automatically a lie, so I am ignoring it.

Clayton believes that the world is run by an evil Jewish cabal, so why word he take the word of a Jew on this subject?

 

[Dcdrac]

Yes Clayton show us the details of the clinical details of this Doctor's objections.

 

[dafydd]

Yes Clayton show us the details of the clinical details of this Doctor's objections.

He doesn't know the details.

 

[Bingowings]

From Dr. Beller's paper:

CASES:

We present two cases--one young, vaccinated woman who developed cervical carcinoma that was unrelated to HPV and another who developed cervical carcinoma secondary to infection with an HPV subtype not covered by the vaccine. Both patients were treated successfully and remained well without evidence of cancer.

So here we have a study which shows, rather unsurprisingly:

i) one case of cancer caused by non-HPV means and
ii) one case of cancer caused by HPV strains which are not covered by the vaccine AND where the patient hadn't been vaccinated in the first place

are not preventable by the current HPV vaccine. Not only is it a pointless paper it has the unfortunate side-effect of making it look like Clayton doesn't have the first idea what he's talking about.

This information took me less than two minutes to find out. There is no vaccine for laziness.

As an aside, look out for my forthcoming paper "Biltong consumption and its effects on complete stranger's kitchen colour schemes" in the upcoming Feng Shui and Dried Meats Journal.

 

[Reality Check]

Clayton Moore, can you recognize your citation of an ignorant and paranoiac person

HPV Vaccine: A Strong Criticism from Leading Israeli OBGYN Doctor

Sorry, Clayton Moore, but citing an ignorant and paranoid "Leading Israeli OBGYN Doctor" makes you look as ignorant and paranoid.

The paranoia comes in his thinking that just because a company makes "billions of dollars" from a product (Hello Microsoft !) then that product must be useless and evil.

He stated " "I want to see fundamental studies proving efficacy, and they do not exist"" when in the real world Gardasil has been known to work from 2006:
Gardasil (Human Papillomavirus Vaccine) Questions and Answers - Gardasil, June 8, 2006

How well does Gardasil work?
Four multinational studies were conducted to show how well Gardasil worked in women between the ages of 16 and 26 by giving them either the vaccine or placebo. The results showed that in women who had not already been infected with the type of HPV contained in the vaccine, Gardasil was nearly 100 percent effective in preventing precancerous cervical lesions, precancerous vaginal and vulvar lesions and genital warts caused by infection with the HPV types against which the vaccine is directed . It is believed that prevention of cervical precancerous lesions is highly likely to result in the prevention of those cancers.
Two studies were also performed to measure the immune response to the vaccine among younger females aged 9-15 years. Their immune response was similar to that found in 16-26 year olds, indicating that the vaccine should have similar effectiveness when used in the 9-15 year age group.
It is important to note that Gardasil did not protect against HPV types that are not in the vaccine.

Clayton Moore, can you recognize your citation of an ignorant and paranoiac person?

 

[pakeha]

So.
Nothing about how vaccines cause autism, then?

 

[mikado]

Of course not... but hard to prove that, really isn't it?

 

[Dcdrac]

so after all this time it is absolutely clear vaccines do not cause autism, glad that is cleared up then.

 

[FrederickEason]

What originally was the abc vaccine concept has become the azAZAAZZ of implementation. Vaccines are destabilizing millions of years of human evolution quicker than quicksand.

How, exactly, does one "destabilize" evolution?

Baloney.

1 more is more. Plus isn't the reason most children don't get vaccinations is because they are too sickly?

Clayton, what do you mean by "most children don't get vaccinations"?

"Most" children do, in fact, get their recommended vaccinations. The number of children who don't is very small.

Clayton, why is >90% of children not "most children"?

 

[Garrison]

Posting this from the BBC. Here in the UK the courts have decided that a couple of children must be vaccinated and have rejected the mothers concerns over MMR:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24493422

 

[Clayton Moore]

Posting this from the BBC. Here in the UK the courts have decided that a couple of children must be vaccinated and have rejected the mothers concerns over MMR:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24493422

The father and judge are idiots.

 

[Clayton Moore]

How, exactly, does one "destabilize" evolution?

Think asthma and autism.

 

[dafydd]

How, exactly, does one "destabilize" evolution?

Now Clayton will give us the benefit of his vast knowledge of genetics. Or not.