Merged Les Stroud's bigfoot show?

dawgma said:
Got to love you armchair experts.
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There are no experts in bigfootery; there are claimants and those who ask for evidence for those claims.

You learned all you need to know about surviving by watching one of his shows, yet he is the poser . . . Sounds to me like he is a doer and you sitting behind your computer are the poser.
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Many of your correspendents here have loads of experience in the out of doors; some like myself are anglers, hikers and hunters, some are wildlife biologists, some are amateur naturalists. Point is, we're more familiar with the subject of North American wilderness (and what is not wilderness) than you seem to understand.
 
rockinkt said:
This.

Anybody that thinks that they know all the sounds any animal makes - much less a whole outdoors area full of them - is probably just some guy who grew up in a city, and was a garbage man in a city, and then a techie in a city, and wannabee musician; then married a film maker and decided to be a "survival expert" and took some courses.

I learned all I needed to know about Les Stroud's survival knowledge when I watched the show where he walked down a steep mountain area into a valley during a heavy rainfall - and then set up camp on a gravel bar on the creek in the valley.
I learned not to be that stupid when I was about 6.

He's a poser. Period.

This latest Bigfoot BS just proves that fact.
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I quit watching when he traversed a dangerous patch of icy trail and I realized that from the camera placement he had to be doing the trip for the third time.

Being on TV merely proves you can get your mug on TV.
 
rockinkt said:
He has all he needs to survive - or he wouldn't have survived.
Anybody can survive for a week with water as long as they can make a fire and rudimentary shelter (if needed).
He also has a team on call that we do not know how many times he has called in to rescue his butt.
3 Weeks would prove the man.

FWIW - Don't assume that people have no real knowledge or experience when it comes to the outdoors just because they also know how to use a computer.
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1) Have you ever survived a week in environmental extremes for a week without food and only minimal water and shelter? Your posts seem to indicate it's not all that difficult.

2) I don't think anyone says it's impossible to survive (obviously), just that his program provides a very bare bones (man vs wild) documentary. It's him and his cameras.

3) I think you might be confusing his program with that of the significantly more scripted Bear Grylls.
 
Resume said:
There are no experts in bigfootery; there are claimants and those who ask for evidence for those claims.



Many of your correspendents here have loads of experience in the out of doors; some like myself are anglers, hikers and hunters, some are wildlife biologists, some are amateur naturalists. Point is, we're more familiar with the subject of North American wilderness (and what is not wilderness) than you seem to understand.
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The experts I was referring to were survival experts. Hikers and anglers are not exactly "survivors" Les Stroud however is an expert. I played golf once, I am not going to critique Tiger Woods
 
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Robrob said:
1) Have you ever survived a week in environmental extremes for a week without food and only minimal water and shelter? Your posts seem to indicate it's not all that difficult.

2) I don't think anyone says it's impossible to survive (obviously), just that his program provides a very bare bones (man vs wild) documentary. It's him and his cameras.

3) I think you might be confusing his program with that of the significantly more scripted Bear Grylls.
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Thank You Robrob!
 
dawgma said:
The experts I was referring to were survival experts. Hikers and anglers are not exactly "survivors" Les Stroud however is and expert. I played golf once, I am not going to critique Tiger Woods
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I've spent 50 years outside, in wilderness from Colorado to Idaho, to Canada. Miles from a road as footers often fantasize about. Sometimes just myself. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that here. It's why some us just shrug at what Stroud does, and how we recognize that some of it plain wrong.

When you've hiked up Left Hand Canyon and found condom wrappers five miles from the road, or you're on an island in the middle of Sealhole Lake and you see dozens of arrowheads hundreds of miles from a settlement, you understand that wilderness is a romantic concept, and that humans have trudged all over North America for quite some time, and bigfoot is a chimera.
 
Resume said:
I've spent 50 years outside, in wilderness from Colorado to Idaho, to Canada. Miles from a road as footers often fantasize about. Sometimes just myself. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that here. It's why some us just shrug at what Stroud does, and how we recognize that some of it plain wrong.

When you've hiked up Left Hand Canyon and found condom wrappers five miles from the road, or you're on an island in the middle of Sealhole Lake and you see dozens of arrowheads hundreds of miles from a settlement, you understand that wilderness is a romantic concept, and that humans have trudged all over North America for quite some time, and bigfoot is a chimera.
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I'll stop here, but he is not going to Idaho. The places he goes are the most treacherous of anywhere in the world. He goes places where you will not survive an hour if you don't know what you are doing. The point of many of his shows is surviving in an extreme environment. Not next to where a couple of teenagers just screwed. I live smack dab in the mountians. However without the luxury of my home, I would not survive many nights especially when it snows. Les does not go on leisurely picnics. I don't think many of you who are so vocal here know who I am referring to or have only seen a few shows. This guy is not on a pleasure cruise when he leaps out of a helicopter because it is the only way to get where he is going and it is 50 miles to get out.
 
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Robrob said:
3) I think you might be confusing his program with that of the significantly more scripted Bear Grylls.
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All reality shows are scripted, even this one, and even if the script is only in Stroud's head.
 
dawgma said:
I'll stop here . . .
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You should have. But I did it for you. I'm not playing this stupid game. I've been in many wild places and don't need to whip out a resume.

The point is many people have spent much time in the places Stroud "survives".
 
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There are plenty of military folks who have training that will keep them going in real wilderness for weeks at a time, but that doesn't mean that such people would be experienced enough to work one of my field crews. Survival training does not necessarily indicate an encyclopedic knowledge if animal sounds.
 
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The Shrike said:
There are plenty of military folks who have training that will keep them going in real wilderness for weeks at a time, but that doesn't mean that such people would be experienced enough to work one of my field crews. Survival training does not necessarily indicate an encyclopedic knowledge if animal sounds.
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If there even is such a thing.

There isn't, is there?
 
The Shrike said:
There are plenty of military folks who have training that will keep them going in real wilderness for weeks at a time, but that doesn't mean that such people would be experienced enough to work one of my field crews. Survival training does not necessarily indicate an encyclopedic knowledge if animal sounds.
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I agree. Other than perhaps the obvious (lion, bear, kraken) what difference would knowing one animal sound from another mean to a survivalist? Stroud has said himself that in a pure survival situation, hunting meat is one of the less efficient means of feeding yourself.

(Preemptive note for all the hunters; we are talking about a person with minimal equipment, crashed or beached in the wild. Not a properly equipped hunter.)
 
Robrob said:
I agree. Other than perhaps the obvious (lion, bear, kraken) what difference would knowing one animal sound from another mean to a survivalist? Stroud has said himself that in a pure survival situation, hunting meat is one of the less efficient means of feeding yourself.
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That depends on where you're at. A spruce grouse can be killed with a well-thrown rock as can be a snowshoe hare sitting in form. Ground nesting fowl of all kinds are vulnerable as well. It just depends.
 
Robrob said:
I agree. Other than perhaps the obvious (lion, bear, kraken) what difference would knowing one animal sound from another mean to a survivalist? Stroud has said himself that in a pure survival situation, hunting meat is one of the less efficient means of feeding yourself.

(Preemptive note for all the hunters; we are talking about a person with minimal equipment, crashed or beached in the wild. Not a properly equipped hunter.)
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Yes!
When I used to have to be flown around the remotebush of NW Ontario Canada, we all packed survival kits. Two types, one included a sleeping bag, ground sheet and clothing. The other, smaller, basically a small backpack, red or yellow in colour. It contained rice, dry pasta matches, light rope, and a few dry sauce mixes. It also contained snare wire. It makes no sense at all to pack a gun or bow and arrow since expending energy to try and hunt will take away from more basic needs of shelter and warmth. Set a snare and maybe get lucky and catch a bunny.

Above all, if possible, you stay in place. You do NOT go stumbling around the countryside. You do your utmost to try and stay dry.
 
A compact takedown .22 rifle would make hunting small game almost effortless, assuming game is in the area. There are good candidate rifles that pack very small.

You can signal for help with it, too. a 50 round box of .22LR is tiny.
 
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A rifle is secondary. The reason for two packs was that if the plane was going down you grab the backpack and hug it to your chest. IF once down you have time you then also grab the sleeping bag.
Fact is that you expect to be rescued within days. So you construct shelter, start fire, obtain water( not a problem in the northern boreal forest) and s-t-a-y put.

Going off to hunt increases the chances of getting lost and not finding your campsite again. A snare can be set up a dozen feet from camp.

Stroud makes a habit of stumbling about in all manner of environments.
 
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