Merged Les Stroud's bigfoot show?

dawgma said:
If you want to go to he was more likely dreaming than hearing what he says he heard, than I find that your skepticism has put you in a place where you can't without fear leave the house or cross the street.
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What the hell are you talking about? Sleep disturbances are documented phenomenon, unlike an Alaskan monkey.

WP. Les Stroud is not a Bigfoot promoter and is in fact the reason why the article that started this whole debate was written. He has a survivor show and is very good at what he does. You obviously do not know who Les Stroud is so too are blowing your own horn just to join the band.
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Les Stroud is an player on a reality TV show; he is just as interested in self-promotion as any other player.
 
dawgma said:
No, he describes it being in between moving his camera over some giant knocked down tree that he had to crawl over and it was daylight. Not a possible dream being confused as reality.
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This is the issue that's causing the tension, I think.

You can't rule out hypnagogia; especially in a man who, by his own admission, spends a lot of time sleep-deprived, dehydrated, and hungry.
 
You cant rule out hypnagogia anymore than you can rule out that he was suffering any of dozens of different possibilities. We know him to be a credible and reliable person in what he does and being that he is not even really a Bigfoot believer, he comes forth as more credible than those who go out into the woods deliberately hunting it. That is the point of the article. A credible NON believer who knows how to track and survive in the wilderness, going out and seeing whats there. Being a skeptic, you would think you would want an unbiased person out there, instead of an idiot Boboo, who every tree knock is a Sasquatch
 
Out of the woodwork, something in the water - that's what I thought too.

Les Stroud seems like a cool guy; I've watched a few episodes of his show. His on-air persona seems to be significantly less arrogant and full of crap than his major competitor, Bear Grylls.

For a few years now, bigfooters have been claiming Stroud as one of their own because, when asked, he relayed an experience that he could not explain, and he was open to the idea that he could have encountered a bigfoot.

Since that time, Stroud has apparently figured out that there is another cash cow to milk: bigfooters. He is now producing some kind of episode that addresses his experience, and I assume the more general topic of bigfoot. Given what we know at present, there is no indication that Stroud is seriously considering the alternative explanations for his experience that do not include bigfoots grunting like gorillas in the Alaskan bush. Therefore, he appears to have embraced his new and improved celebrity bigfooter status. That's to be expected for a television personality struggling to be relevant. It's why a good critical thinker generally takes statements from television personalities with a rather large lump of salt.

It is apparently also the case, however, that Stroud has somehow aligned himself with one of the most notorious and laughable bigfoot con artists of our time, Todd Standing. Unless Stroud publicly reveals Standing to be a complete fraud, then I have no alternative but to view Stroud as either a newly minted delusional bigfoot cultist or a con artist himself.
 
HighRiser said:
This is the issue that's causing the tension, I think.

You can't rule out hypnagogia; especially in a man who, by his own admission, spends a lot of time sleep-deprived, dehydrated, and hungry.
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or a Barred Owl:

Survivorman Les Stroud: Bigfoot Experience (Alaska) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7lu4APwSdM

Barred Owl vocals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zc-NHIipw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fppKGJD3Y6c

Barred owls seem pretty common in Southeast Alaska:
http://www.farnorthscience.com/category/ak-sci-forum/
 
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The Todd Standing thing was an untrue rumor or if it was ever considered it was squashed pretty quickly. This will be another solo trip like he always takes. Not sure how you can say Les Stroud is trying to relevant by doing a two show series on BF. Like I said before why not do the show? It is entertainment like everything else on television
 
jaydeehess said:
Anyone who has heard a bear grunt may comment on how human it sounds. If you see the bear you know its a bear, if you cannot see the bear.......
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This.

Anybody that thinks that they know all the sounds any animal makes - much less a whole outdoors area full of them - is probably just some guy who grew up in a city, and was a garbage man in a city, and then a techie in a city, and wannabee musician; then married a film maker and decided to be a "survival expert" and took some courses.

I learned all I needed to know about Les Stroud's survival knowledge when I watched the show where he walked down a steep mountain area into a valley during a heavy rainfall - and then set up camp on a gravel bar on the creek in the valley.
I learned not to be that stupid when I was about 6.

He's a poser. Period.

This latest Bigfoot BS just proves that fact.
 
rockinkt said:
This.

Anybody that thinks that they know all the sounds any animal makes - much less a whole outdoors area full of them - is probably just some guy who grew up in a city, and was a garbage man in a city, and then a techie in a city, and wannabee musician; then married a film maker and decided to be a "survival expert" and took some courses.

I learned all I needed to know about Les Stroud's survival knowledge when I watched the show where he walked down a steep mountain area into a valley during a heavy rainfall - and then set up camp on a gravel bar on the creek in the valley.
I learned not to be that stupid when I was about 6.

He's a poser. Period.

This latest Bigfoot BS just proves that fact.
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I saw that episode I believe. Didn't he also try rowing a rotten old boat he found at an abandoned tourist camp. My thought was 'idiot!' Stay put and create a shelter at the camp.
Instead he got soaked in very cold water. Good way to hasten your death.
 
And by the way, Les is just as skeptical as all of you, which once again the point is that here is a skeptic, with ultimate knowledge of the wilderness (and its inhabitants) as well as how to survive in it with next to nothing. So who better could you ask for to look for it, being that you can't really trust an avid believer? In Les we have a rational person doing the looking, who is not going to be prone to thinking just anything is a Bigfoot and in reality will have real world knowledge of most that he encounters. In other words, he is not likely to be fooled into thinking something is a BF when it is not or come to a wild conclusion.
 
dawgma said:
And by the way, Les is just as skeptical as all of you, which once again the point is that here is a skeptic, with ultimate knowledge of the wilderness (and its inhabitants) as well as how to survive in it with next to nothing. So who better could you ask for to look for it, being that you can't really trust an avid believer? In Les we have a rational person doing the looking, who is not going to be prone to thinking just anything is a Bigfoot and in reality will have real world knowledge of most that he encounters. In other words, he is not likely to be fooled into thinking something is a BF when it is not or come to a wild conclusion.
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Can you point to something other than his self promotion TV shows and the surrounding hype that proves that he has "ultimate knowledge of the wilderness (and its inhabitants)"?
 
rockinkt said:
Can you point to something other than his self promotion TV shows and the surrounding hype that proves that he has "ultimate knowledge of the wilderness (and its inhabitants)"?
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What else do you need? Every episode is a week in some of the most treacherous places in the world, all by himself, doing all of his own camera work and with barely any rations. He has over 75 episodes, which means he has been out there in these places for over a year. How many times have you gone car camping with your Coleman camper stove and a weeks worth of food for an over night trip?
 
dawgma said:
What else do you need? Every episode is a week in some of the most treacherous places in the world, all by himself, doing all of his own camera work and with barely any rations. He has over 75 episodes, which means he has been out there in these places for over a year. How many times have you gone car camping with your Coleman camper stove and a weeks worth of food for an over night trip?
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He has all he needs to survive - or he wouldn't have survived.
Anybody can survive for a week with water as long as they can make a fire and rudimentary shelter (if needed).
He also has a team on call that we do not know how many times he has called in to rescue his butt.
3 Weeks would prove the man.

FWIW - Don't assume that people have no real knowledge or experience when it comes to the outdoors just because they also know how to use a computer.
 
dawgma said:
You two are funny guys. If you read anything instead pontificating through your blow hole, you would know that Les was not saying it was a Bigfoot. He was asked if had ever had any experiences and he relayed that he in fact had (A primate sounding series of grunts while in Alaska) If you want to go to he was more likely dreaming than hearing what he says he heard, than I find that your skepticism has put you in a place where you can't without fear leave the house or cross the street.
WP. Les Stroud is not a Bigfoot promoter and is in fact the reason why the article that started this whole debate was written. He has a survivor show and is very good at what he does. You obviously do not know who Les Stroud is so too are blowing your own horn just to join the band.
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One of the crew had real bad diarrhea?
 
dawgma said:
You cant rule out hypnagogia anymore than you can rule out that he was suffering any of dozens of different possibilities. We know him to be a credible and reliable person in what he does and being that he is not even really a Bigfoot believer, he comes forth as more credible than those who go out into the woods deliberately hunting it. That is the point of the article. A credible NON believer who knows how to track and survive in the wilderness, going out and seeing whats there. Being a skeptic, you would think you would want an unbiased person out there, instead of an idiot Boboo, who every tree knock is a Sasquatch
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I only know him as a TV personality who dramatizes outdoor situations.

I'm sure he'd go along with any scheme to increase audience.
 
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