Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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I am rooting for Spezi. Go Spezi!!! Migi's letter sounds like it was written by an arrogant, lying, cheating, criminal snob. Probably because it was.

You are with Spezi also when he submits false witness reports to accuse an innocent?
Or when he attempts to place cal .22 bullets and handguns inside a villa, so that the police blames Mr. Vinci?
 
But in fact, Mignini never proposed any 'ritualistic' nor any 'Halloween-sect-like' scenario for the Meredith murder. There may be well erroneous sources; but none of these sources was in the courtroom, because the trial was hold behind closed doors; and in fact all these sources are British newspapers that seem to be relying on (as they interpret it) a source at La Repubblica, a journalist who himself explicitly states that he is reporting second-hand comments from Il Giornale dell'Umbria.
But when you look at the trial transcripts, there is nothing alike.

As for the Narducci case, I don't know first-hand because I never read the documents, but I never heard about a Satanic scenario involving that.

There has been a discussion about satanic scenarios during the MoF trials in Florence, because there were witnesses who brought that in and also in the investigation elments were found suggesting links with with Satanism, they are in the records but they plaid no role in the trials so far.
But I point out that the MoF case is not the Narducci case; Mignini had nothing to do with the MoF investigation and trials.

There was some element linking to Satanism that enetered also the Narduci case, because the Narducci case resulted from the merging of more than one case; the merge was requested by Florence, it was not Mignini's idea. One of the three original investigations (later merged into one) was a case of anonimous phone stalking against a woman in Perugia, which went on for years, by unknown people who called from telephone boxes in Tuscany mentioning Narducci's 'murder' together with 'sexual' and 'satanic' themes. Apart from this, which was obviously an original theme 'intrinsic' to the case, there has never been any 'satanic' scenario in the Narducci investigation.
A 'ritualistic' or sect-like scenario - albeit never formally proposed - is instead something much closer to what investigators hypothesized in the end. The MoF murders apparently were committed with the purpose of collecting fetishes, and such fetishes may have had some ritual or 'magical' use.

NO!!! NOT THIS OLD CHESTNUT!!! While Mig didn't use the term Satanic, "he did tell the court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers … should have occurred 24 hours earlier” — on Halloween itself — “but on account of a dinner at the house of horrors, organized by Meredith and Amanda’s Italian flatmates, it was postponed for one day.”
 
You are with Spezi also when he submits false witness reports to accuse an innocent?
Or when he attempts to place cal .22 bullets and handguns inside a villa, so that the police blames Mr. Vinci?

I am pulling for Spezi, all these made up from fantasy things are the product of a deranged, insidious, evil man who looks like a fat toad and has a snake tongue. Go Spezi.
 
NO!!! NOT THIS OLD CHESTNUT!!! While Mig didn't use the term Satanic, "he did tell the court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers … should have occurred 24 hours earlier”

It's false.
It's a charming journalistic narrative, but in literal terms a false report.
Find that in the documents if you can.
Mignini never said that in his arguments.
 
I am pulling for Spezi, all these made up from fantasy things are the product of a deranged, insidious, evil man who looks like a fat toad and has a snake tongue. Go Spezi.

Sorry, you are saying: Spezi did not submit a false witness report, together with his accomplice Zaccaria, that placed false evidence against an innocent? Is that what you are saying?
You are saying Spezi was not caught while he was together with the known criminal mobster Ruocco (from the Naples mafia), while they were attempting to place weapons and forged pieces of evidence in Villa Bibbiani, in Northern Tuscany?
You are saying Spezi was not wiretapped in a phone conversation with Preston, in which they recorded agreeing the placing of false evidence in Villa Bibbiani?
 
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Sorry, you are saying: Spezi did not submit a false witness report, together with his accomplice Zaccaria, that placed false evidence against an innocent? Is that what you are saying?
You are saying Spezi was not caught while he was together with the known criminal mobster Ruocco (from the Naples mafia), while they were attempting to place weapons and forged pieces of evidence in Villa Bibbiani, in Northern Tuscany?

Yes, go Spezi. He will prevail.
 
Yes, go Spezi. He will prevail.

So you are saying that proven criminal events never occurred; that an obvious criminal is not a criminal just a good guy; that the Supreme Court is not sending Spezi to trial?
You realize what you are saying?
 
So you are saying that proven criminal events never occurred; that an obvious criminal is not a criminal just a good guy; that the Supreme Court is not sending Spezi to trial?
You realize what you are saying?

This is why people have trials, they are presumed innocent.
 
So you are saying that proven criminal events never occurred; that an obvious criminal is not a criminal just a good guy; that the Supreme Court is not sending Spezi to trial?
You realize what you are saying?

Yep we are Mach. By your reasoning Amanda is a proven killer and we KNOW that she isn't actually a killer. Mig and his cabal is a bunch of morons who unjustly accused countless people of crimes that they didn't commit. Mig is a scumbag and is the one person besides Rudy Guede who really should be behind bars.
 
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Apparently Harry Rag was already a pro guilt campaigner on another case before the Amanda Knox case happened. Just try doing a search on these names.

Ian Stephens

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This guy has used scores of user names and sometimes pretends to be an aristocratic female poster called Ghislane.
 
For the poster who claims that Amanda was sexually attracted to Meredith, that the defense lawyers didn't really want the raw data, they just wanted to be denied it so they could complain about it, that Hellmann was bribed by US media people and paid through Masonic connections, that claims a conspiracy among Amanda's supporters to corrupt the Italian justice system, I no longer give any credibility to anything this poster has to say.
 
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Without entering the topic of translation issues (which do exist), leaving aside the omission of the rest of Mignini said (rather important), where is the "ritual" in this? And where is the "sacrifice"?

Notice how the Preliminary Judge understands Mignini's comment:

un po’ lumeggiate dal P.M., pur non contestandole, nella a dir poco fantasiosa ricostruzione descrittiva di riti, festini di Halloween, pubblicazioni manga ed occasioni da non lasciarsi sfuggire,

The "rites" which Micheli mentions are in fact meand by Mignini as being just Halloween and the Italian Holiday of Saints (originally the Celtic First Day of the year), which means, they are dates. It's an argument to suggest Oct 30. and Nov. 1. are seen as the same holiday in Perugia, hence you can transfer the Halloween atmosphere/mode on Nov. 1.
Instead of ritualistic murder, judge Micheli correctly points out that the event is called by Mignini "festino". Which is absolutely not a ritual, but a "little party", a "little fun".
 
Yep we are Mach. By your reasoning Amanda is a proven killer and we KNOW that she isn't actually a killer. Mig and his cabal is a bunch of morons who unjustly accused countless people of crimes that they didn't commit. Mig is a scumbag and is the one person besides Rudy Guede who really should be behind bars.

Machiavelli will say anything to defend that fat toad Mignini and his cohort in crime, Stefanoni. I chose to believe Spezi.
 
So you are saying that proven criminal events never occurred; that an obvious criminal is not a criminal just a good guy; that the Supreme Court is not sending Spezi to trial?
You realize what you are saying?

Let's all just dwell for a second on those two highlighted parts. Ignore what the cases are which is causing this furor....

.... but consider the credibility of someone who claims that ANYONE is a proven criminal before they are sent to trial.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Machiavelli. He's the one who translates Mr. Mignini's lies for North American hate sites.
 
Apparently Harry Rag was already a pro guilt campaigner on another case before the Amanda Knox case happened. Just try doing a search on these names.

Ian Stephens

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Starryian007

This guy has used scores of user names and sometimes pretends to be an aristocratic female poster called Ghislane.

Interesting.

If all this is accurate, are we to take it that he does this out of some warped "altruism"?

Or is someone paying him for his time and effort?
 
Without entering the topic of translation issues (which do exist), leaving aside the omission of the rest of Mignini said (rather important), where is the "ritual" in this? And where is the "sacrifice"?

Notice how the Preliminary Judge understands Mignini's comment:



The "rites" which Micheli mentions are in fact meand by Mignini as being just Halloween and the Italian Holiday of Saints (originally the Celtic First Day of the year), which means, they are dates. It's an argument to suggest Oct 30. and Nov. 1. are seen as the same holiday in Perugia, hence you can transfer the Halloween atmosphere/mode on Nov. 1.
Instead of ritualistic murder, judge Micheli correctly points out that the event is called by Mignini "festino". Which is absolutely not a ritual, but a "little party", a "little fun".

LOL. Of course they are just dates. Migi is simply giving a calendar lesson. That's all, nothing to see here, move along.
 
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