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[Craig4]

Just for clarity's sake, what Janadele is spewing would be more likely to come from other sources, primarily the Doctrine and Covenants. The Book of Mormon is mostly just a very dull Bible fanfic of the early Americas, and doesn't have that much doctrine in it.

Thanks, I'll concede the point and rephrase my question. Why would anyone believe any of the post to which I first responded when it's foundation documents are demonstrable frauds?

 

[Dissolution]

Ah, Leviticus. Home of stoning, slavery and shellfish.
What does the LDS teach about eating crab?

 

[Empress]

I got curious to see what scriptures the LDS church quotes to support its views on homosexuality, and discovered it actually has a whole separate website with the oddly lurid-sounding

*snip for brevity*

It's oddly weak on scriptural citations though. I'm guessing the church mainly relies on Leviticus like any other Christian denomination, but would be curious what passages specifically a member would cite about homosexuality. I asked my wife, and she said Leviticus. Janadele?

Thanks for that website, Pup. Fascinating. I agree that in 50 or so years there will probably be gay marriage. I also think there will be women holding the Priesthood. Be interesting to see which comes first.

My mother and I had a discussion some months ago about gay marriage, and for some reason she was shocked that I was firmly in favor of it. She asked me why I was for it, and I asked her in return why she was against it. She cited Leviticus, as well. Leviticus ever stopped her from wearing mixed fibers or eating shellfish occasionally, but Leviticus certainly pops up fast when it's about the icky gays!

AS far as I know, the OT is the basis for the Church's stance on gay marriage, since I've never seen anyone cite the D&C as scripture on the subject.

Well, they're limping along in the rear, but maybe they'll get to the finish line with the rest of us one of these days.

 

[Akhenaten]

This thread almost makes me long for another "good" DOC thread... at least those were mildly entertaining.

Hmmm . . .

 

[kellyb]

Paul said bad stuff about gays in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, too.
It's not just the OT.

 

[Janadele]

What's the reasons for our mortal existence, and what if disagree with it ? Better yet, what if I don't care about the Eternal Law, and want to form my own society away from it ? Do I have this freedom ?

Free agency, the right to choose, is the basis of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Lucifer offers instead slavery to immorality, addictions, and the loss of opportunity to progress... regression back through the darkness of time.

The reason for our mortal existence is simple, is was the only opportunity available to us to progress, from our already exalted state, to far greater happiness and exaltation throughout the eternities, by the receiving of an immortal physical body to clothe our spiritual body.

It was a gamble which sadly many have lost through the choices they have made, and continue to make.

 

[JoeMorgue]

At least Lucifer isn't telling us to hate other people for no reason.

 

[tsig]

Coyote told me.

Of course, comprehension of metaphor, knowledge of major trends and events in history, and deductive logic could also explain how I know it, but lacking that first ingredient there's not much hope of communication, so I might as well go with Coyote.

Respectfully,
Myriad

IOW you made it up. OK I can go with that rather than think you're inventing mind states of non existent entities.

ETA: accusing other posters of ignorance isn't very respectful.

 

[Akhenaten]

What's the reasons for our mortal existence, and what if disagree with it ? Better yet, what if I don't care about the Eternal Law, and want to form my own society away from it ? Do I have this freedom ?

Free agency, the right to choose, is the basis of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

And I'll just bet that you think such an idea never existed until the Johnny-Come-Latterlies announced it.

Guess what.

Lucifer offers instead slavery to immorality, addictions, and the loss of opportunity to progress... regression back through the darkness of time.

I'm down with that. Where can I sign up?

The reason for our mortal existence is simple, is was the only opportunity available to us to progress, from our already exalted state, to far greater happiness and exaltation throughout the eternities, by the receiving of an immortal physical body to clothe our spiritual body.

Thus spoke Zarathustra

I don't suppose you have anything original to add to this discussion, do you?

It was a gamble which sadly many have lost through the choices they have made, and continue to make.

Wanna bet?

 

[halleyscomet]

Free agency, the right to choose, is the basis of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Not according to those who accept Predestination. While a brutal, cruel dogma, it does have the advantage of cleanly and unambiguously answering the question of what becomes of those who never hear the Gospel.

Lucifer offers instead slavery to immorality, addictions, and the loss of opportunity to progress... regression back through the darkness of time.

The reason for our mortal existence is simple, is was the only opportunity available to us to progress, from our already exalted state, to far greater happiness and exaltation throughout the eternities, by the receiving of an immortal physical body to clothe our spiritual body.

It was a gamble which sadly many have lost through the choices they have made, and continue to make.

A gamble every non-Mormon says you've lost.

Well, there are a few Buddhists who would assert that if you gain enlightenment through your current path then it's just fine and dandy, but your current, rigid, gloating and prideful sham of belief is pretty much the opposite of enlightenment.

 

[Pixel42]

It was a gamble which sadly many have lost through the choices they have made, and continue to make.

If immortal souls exist then choosing to gambling yours on the word of an proven fraudster is the silliest thing you could do.

 

[Empress]

Paul said bad stuff about gays in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, too.
It's not just the OT.

Very true. Paul was quite a creepy piece of work. But in my experience, Christians quote Leviticus, not Paul as the basis for their anti-gay stance.

 

[Janadele]

Can we have a definition of what's anti-Mormon and what's agreeable to dispute about the LDS please, Janadele?

What is the point of disputation Dissolution? Would it not be better instead to learn and understand and if you agree then follow, or if you disagree then go your own way.

 

[Akhenaten]

If immortal souls exist then choosing to gamble yours on the word of a proven fraudster is the silliest thing you could do.

But it's Sacred Fraud™ and therefore Doctrine™!

Safe as houses, Shirley.

 

[Akhenaten]

What is the point of disputation Dissolution?

None at all.

Makes me wonder why you'd make up such a silly phrase in the first place, let alone seek meaning for it.

Commatose, perhaps?

Would it not be better instead to learn and understand and if you agree then follow, or if you disagree then go your own way.

I want to learn and understand why the LDS perpetuates the demonstrable fraud of the Book of Abraham before I decide on my chosen level of agreement.

Please help me.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Paul said bad stuff about gays in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, too.
It's not just the OT.

Then let the paulianists sing their hymns of hatred, led by their 'god'...he who was said to be said to be "the christ" (x) who is said to be the author & finsisher of xianism, is never said to have said anything against homosexuals--a whole lot of stuff about "caring for the poor", and "loving your neighbor", and "preparing for the 'kingdom', here and now and yet to come". Not a word about homosexuals...

[/OT][/rant]

 

[Foster Zygote]

Lucifer offers instead slavery to immorality, addictions, and the loss of opportunity to progress... regression back through the darkness of time.

So you think everyone who doesn't choose LDS is an immoral drug addict?

The reason for our mortal existence is simple, is was the only opportunity available to us to progress, from our already exalted state, to far greater happiness and exaltation throughout the eternities, by the receiving of an immortal physical body to clothe our spiritual body.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe in your Big Rock Candy Mountain. And I'm perfectly fine with living in a universe in which it doesn't exist outside human imagination.

 

[halleyscomet]

What is the point of disputation Dissolution? Would it not be better instead to learn and understand and if you agree then follow, or if you disagree then go your own way.

See? Noting that even remotely resembles a useful definition.

It all boils down to mindless, unquestioning faith. If you find the lies of pedophile Smith compelling, then you're "in." If you have even remedial critical thinking skills then then the closest you'll get to the "burning in your bosom" is acid reflux.

According to LDS doctrine, Satan wanted to compel people to believe. Based on how God chose to reveal his word to the Mormons, it would appear Jesus preferred to culture people who lack the critical thinking skills to do anything BUT believe. Is it really faith if you only believe because you've been trained not to think about the alternatives? Is one's chastity truly a virtue if one is a eunuch?

 

[ddt]

Lucifer offers instead slavery to immorality, addictions, and the loss of opportunity to progress... regression back through the darkness of time.

How so?

Right there in Genesis, Lucifer takes care that mankind learns of good and evil, something that God wanted to withhold from them. How can you even speak of morality when you don't know about good and evil in the first place?

And in the medieval play Mariken van Nieumeghen, Lucifer teaches the protagonist, a girl named Mariken, the seven liberal arts.

If anything, Lucifer is associated with garnering knowledge, and God wants to keep his dumb.

 

[Myriad]

IOW you made it up. OK I can go with that rather than think you're inventing mind states of non existent entities.

Those are indeed other words, but it's not what I said. Is inventing mind states of non existent entities really that unusual or problematic? Let's ask the average man on the street; what does he think? What is the current mood of the electorate on the issue? Might it depend on whether Wall Street is feeling bullish or bearish today? Or be affected by this angry weather we've been having? Remember, Murphy will always try to make things harder than you expect. The devil's in the details, after all.

ETA: accusing other posters of ignorance isn't very respectful.

What isn't very respectful is attempting to derail a perfectly comprehensible argument about religious beliefs directed at a religious arguer phrased in terms of religious imagery, using feigned incomprehension of a very common metaphor as if it had to be literally true to have meaning. I charitably assumed, therefore, that the incomprehension was real. Was I wrong?

Respectfully,
Myriad