Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

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Northern Lights said:
...I was handed a Flir thermal scope that had a recorder attached...
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Why were you handed a thermal scope? Why was there a thermal scope at this camp?


Northern Lights said:
... I was told it was recording...
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I'm sure you were.


Northern Lights said:
...The next morning, we downloaded the thermal files to find them empty...
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Damn. What are the odds, huh?


Northern Lights said:
...No one knew where we were camping and we were on private land...
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Well, no-one except you guys. I don't think you have to look too far for possible suspects.


Northern Lights said:
...This isn't something I believe I saw, this was something I did see. There is no question in my mind and I am not lying. I have absolutely nothing to gain by providing these details and actually am expecting to be ridiculed, but I've said before that I'm a big boy and can take it. Fire away.
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Wait, all you saw was a rounded thingy, that moved silently, wasn't recorded so you couldn't check, that you figured was 9 foot tall, based on reckoning from the night before? Why on earth do you think it was bigfoot? I gotta say I'm disappointed. I suspect that your fellow thrillseekers weren't even punking you. No "bipedal hulking monster " shape? Man, it sounds like they weren't even trying.
 
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Northern Lights said:
I have intentionally not written extensively about my recent thermal sighting because I don't have anything more than my story, and it isn't evidence. But, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't good forum manners to make a fleeting reference and then not elaborate. Since this subject has turned more along the lines of what Resume has listed, I have decided to give a bit more detail and see if any of those items can be used to explain my sighting. Here are the highlights, and again, I realize this isn't evidence, just my story:

Friday, September 6, 2013, approximately 10:00 p.m. CDT. We were sitting around a camp fire in a very remote location in northern Minnesota with 4 adult males, 2 adult females and 2 teenage boys. We had been hearing stick snaps around the camp since sundown. I was handed a Flir thermal scope that had a recorder attached. I was told it was recording, so I walked out of camp alone down a trail approximately 150 feet to the west. All I could see in the scope was faint white images of the birch trees, and nothing else. After a few minutes of viewing the trail to the west, a bright white image appeared. It was sort of round shaped at the top and spread out below fading to black and was moving slowly to the north east.

I watched it move in the deep woods as it slowly approached our camp. The movement was very fluid, appearing to glide along. One of our campers was playing the flute as the others were talking. I could only see a rounded image and did not see any other distinct shape through the scope, but it was very clear and moving and a slow but steady pace. It would disappear behind the trees and reappear on the other side. I watched it for approximately five minutes and lost sight as it got very close to the camp. I decided to walk back to camp and take up another vantage point and see if I could find it again. I was not able to find it again, so I walked back to my original location.

After a few minutes, I was able to find it again close to our camp and it started moving back towards the west away from camp. It was moving slowly and again, I could only see a rounded image on top. It took a few minutes, but it went back to the spot where I first picked it up where it stopped moving. It stayed at the location for approximately 10 minutes where it just faded off and the screen went black.

The next morning, we downloaded the thermal files to find them empty. They didn't record anything, much to my frustration. We went into the woods and discovered a small trail which matched the path the image took that I viewed through the scope. I had one camper stand on the path as I went back to my original location and discovered I couldn't see him. There was a line of trees between me and him and he had to wave his shirt over his head so I could see it. We measured the line of trees and they topped out at 8 feet. The image I viewed was above the line of trees so we determined it to be approximately 9 feet tall.

So, to recap, I watched it for a total of approximately 15 minutes, it traveled a distance of approximately 100 yards to our camp and 100 yards back, and it was measured at approximately 9 feet tall.

So, based on this information and using the list provided by Resume, what are your thoughts?

Additionally, no one else saw it because I believed it was being recorded and didn't want to take my eye off it. No one knew where we were camping and we were on private land. There was a new moon that night, so it was very dark.

This isn't something I believe I saw, this was something I did see. There is no question in my mind and I am not lying. I have absolutely nothing to gain by providing these details and actually am expecting to be ridiculed, but I've said before that I'm a big boy and can take it. Fire away.
NL
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No ridicule, just a dose of reality. You saw a round blob. You estimated it may have taken a path you saw the next day. (any tracks there from the alleged 9 foot beast?)

Why would you assume a round blob to be bigfoot? Are there any other scenarios you may want to consider? You guys were there looking for bigfoot? And you found it?

Did you consider that perhaps that someone that gave you the thermal knew it wasn't recording? Could they have walked through the woods then, having a nice little laugh at your expense. Also, there are many other things you may want to consider such as the natural fauna in the area. (such as moose, or elk) Seeing a blob (and not recording it) doesn't necessarily equate to bigfoot. There are many more likely explanations that would perfectly suit your described scenario.

The total number of Minnesota licensed hunters has remained stable at about 570,000 annually since 2000.
 
Jodie said:
It sounds like the lights on Brown Mountain in North Carolina. They move like that, no one knows what they are but it's probably something natural since they have been seen there for centuries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gftfwM9_J0g
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Your kidding right?

at the 25 sec mark you can see two moths flying for goodness sakes.

And "centuries"? I don't think so...
Happy 100th birthday tho...

To the train light spotting in 1913...
 
Jodie said:
When you keep thinking you see something, or evidence for something, yet can't find the thing you are looking for then the natural conclusion is that it isn't corporeal rather than the alternative explanations.
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No, that's the dishonest explanation. The honest explanation is to consider that you may be wrong. If you're unwilling to do that, you're not a good person in my view; no dishonest coward can be.

Northern Lights said:
I'm all for solid evidence, but unless you can figure out some way for me to un-see something, I don't think that is going to work.
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It's not a question of un-seeing, but of rationally understanding what you see. I once spent a fair amount of time with the sense that there was something invisible following me around. Another....thing....attached to the back of my head. Most of the time I ignored it, but it got rather hostile sometimes. Never knew WHAT to make of it. Then I found out that it's actually not an uncommon psychological issue--stimulation to certain parts of the brain (or, in my case, working far too much, not sleeping nearly enough, and not eating right for a few months straight) can result in this dislocation of one's sense of identity. I don't need to un-see that thing behind me; it was a very real experience. The thing is, it didn't reflect reality, only my addled perceptions.

I have deep sympathy for people who think they see things. Observations can be quite powerful, as I can attest to from personal experience. The issue is, seeing something doesn't make it real. Our senses are not infallible, and the first step to becoming a scientist is realizing that we must always question our own observations. No one's denying that you saw something. It's the interpretation that we're questioning.
 
NL:

Can you see how confirmatory bias can make one susceptible to hoaxing?

A few points.

You were handed a Flir camera, sort of the way neophytes were handed a burlap sack before embarking on a snipe hunt. So who handed you the camera? Why? Well, one reason could be that it's the perfect vehicle to produce an ambiguous image subject to interpretation. Paranormal "investigators" are way ahead of bigfoot enthusiasts in this regard. Then, of course, the files were empty the next morning, and you were left with your memory of the events from the night before. Then, what ho, you found a trail that matched your memory. Which leads us here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases

Have you given much thought to the perfectly rational idea that your fellow campers hoaxed you? If not, why not?
 
Dinwar said:
I once spent a fair amount of time with the sense that there was something invisible following me around. Another....thing....attached to the back of my head. Most of the time I ignored it, but it got rather hostile sometimes. Never knew WHAT to make of it. Then I found out that it's actually not an uncommon psychological issue--stimulation to certain parts of the brain (or, in my case, working far too much, not sleeping nearly enough, and not eating right for a few months straight) can result in this dislocation of one's sense of identity. I don't need to un-see that thing behind me; it was a very real experience. The thing is, it didn't reflect reality, only my addled perceptions.
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Do you have a link to this phenomenon? A common enthusiast narrative is that bigfoot "follows" them, whether it be in the woods, or even all the way to their suburban homes.
 
Dinwar said:
No, that's the dishonest explanation. The honest explanation is to consider that you may be wrong. If you're unwilling to do that, you're not a good person in my view; no dishonest coward can be.
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In the case of footers, the majority are not necessarily the best educated and there still exists a cultural stigma for having a mental disorder. The average person doesn't differentiate that hallucinating or misidentifying something doesn't necessarily indicate a mental disorder, so claiming something paranormal as an explanation is preferable.

It's not a question of un-seeing, but of rationally understanding what you see. I once spent a fair amount of time with the sense that there was something invisible following me around. Another....thing....attached to the back of my head. Most of the time I ignored it, but it got rather hostile sometimes. Never knew WHAT to make of it. Then I found out that it's actually not an uncommon psychological issue--stimulation to certain parts of the brain (or, in my case, working far too much, not sleeping nearly enough, and not eating right for a few months straight) can result in this dislocation of one's sense of identity. I don't need to un-see that thing behind me; it was a very real experience. The thing is, it didn't reflect reality, only my addled perception.

I have deep sympathy for people who think they see things. Observations can be quite powerful, as I can attest to from personal experience. The issue is, seeing something doesn't make it real. Our senses are not infallible, and the first step to becoming a scientist is realizing that we must always question our own observations. No one's denying that you saw something. It's the interpretation that we're questioning.
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This applies across the board in all walks of life.
 
Castro said:
Thermal? what thermal?...Night vision technology and "thermal" are 2 completely different things:
http://www.flir.com/cvs/americas/en/view/?id=30052

ETA: The youtube video you brought to the table was...
..."filmed using 3rd generation night vision goggles for National Geographics show called Paranatural"
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And this sort of thing is so typical of woomeisters.
"Ignore the fact that we don't know how to use the equipment or apply it incorrectly, and then go on to not understand the output and misinterpret the output if it is explained to us.

This is 3RD GENERATION DUDE"
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It is a version of argument by authority.
"This is 3rd generation gear, therefore bigfoot, aliens, crop circles, ghost lights...."
 
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If it was a blob floating it probably was some kind of piezoelectric effect related to the soil content. Did you check to see if there was a lot of quartz in the area NL?
 
Jodie said:
If it was a blob floating it probably was some kind of piezoelectric effect related to the soil content. Did you check to see if there was a lot of quartz in the area NL?
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Never mind.
 
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Resume said:
Do you have a link to this phenomenon?
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I was gonna say "No", because I didn't, but I decided to do a quick Google search. This sort of thing is uncomfortable for me; when I say that it got hostile I mean it felt like this thing was going to kill me, and it's rather disconcerting to admit that you've had such a major mental screw-up (raises the question of what else you "know" isn't real). Plus, I'm not a psychologist. And most of the info I've been able to find is woo ("Shadow People Attacks on Humans Increasing", that sort of thing). The end result is that my Google-fu is weak in this area, and I'm probably missing a lot of links.

Anyway, here's a link to a brief discussion of it. It references a psychological study on a woman where they put electrodes into a particular area of the brain (the angular gyrus) and found that by stimulating it correctly they could enduce the shadow-person effect, as well as out-of-body experiences. I haven't been able to find the name of the disorder, unfortunately; that's hampered my searching, as a clinical name would cut through most of the woo.

This applies across the board in all walks of life.
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And it's something that you, personally, should consider. I know what it would take to prove me wrong. Can you articulate what data that would be for your stance?

What is wrong with my suggestion?
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You asked if there was a lot of quartz in the area. There's a lot of quartz EVERYWHERE--it's the most common mineral on the planet, and is the end-game for about half the chemical weathering processes that occur at the surface (the other end-game is clay minerals). You may as well have asked if there was dirt there, or air.
 
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