Continuation Part 5: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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It's my opinion that the scream was Meredith, Its also possible that it was Amanda. Randi is right, my opinion as to who screamed is giving weight to what Guede and Amanda said. I believe Curatolo observed the defendants before the crime and after when they returned to check if someone was coming via the gate, A heated argument and looking over the fence at this point fits. Sound does carry below the cottage the surrounding shape of trees on hills on rock creates the bowl. I'm not budging on that fact as well as the fact that sitting in Grimana you couldn't hear a dog barking below the cottage or people talking. It would be probable for Curatolo to not be able to hear the scream from his location.

What time did this scream happen, which witness do you believe?
Guede said he'd fled by 10:30pm, Nara was supposed 11-11:30, the other lady about 10pm, Amanda's interrogation letter didn't mention a time stamp.

Remember Alessandra Formica and her boyfriend, the broken down car and Tow Truck event, blocks out a certain timeframe.
 
Not withstanding Briars standing up for the discredited witnesses it is a fact that the rest of the world if informed of the facts surrounding these witnesses will turn on the prosecution.

There are 12 days before the trial starts and I retain the hope that the defense will produce their own videos about the key pieces of bogus evidence. The witnesses would make a great episode.

A picture of the cub reporter and video when available of the key witnesses and the background of how they came to be witnesses. The transcript of Volturno about Q. The history of Curatolo's drug use, dealing charge, and past testimonies. add in the convenient incarceration and death. Nara apartment mate coming out after Nara came out months after and only saying she remembered hearing footsteps. I would imagine there are footsteps every night.

Nara should be asked what songs Amanda and friends played on the guitar. Or is that the guiltar :p

Mary, age does play a part, in particular for hearing and vision. It plays for memory issues as well. Nara was questioned because she most likely has diminished hearing, which could always be tested if truth was being sought.

I doubt Curatolo's eyecite (for you Bill) was strong and seeing at night for a mid-fifties heroin addict is a difficult task. He should have been asked to pick out the kids from 30 yards away from a group of like looking kids.
 
Anyone else catch Vogts latest rambling? She has the evidence now as footprints attributed to Knox and RS and created by the blood of MK. This is per the "reliable experts" in the Massei court...

"including the critical testimony of the footprint experts (Lorenzo Rinaldi and Pietro Boemia) who advised the court of first instance that footprints found in the corridor and bathroom of the flat belonged to Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito and had been made in Meredith’s blood"

link here ...if you wish to sue her for pretending to be a reporter or for being a big fat liar.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featured/amanda-knox-appeal-2/

I wrote an email to Andrea Vogt with questions why she's spreading misinformation and she replied. This is what she wrote:
Mr. Donald,

The story refers to testimony made in open court by footprint experts
(Lorenzo Rinaldi and Pietro Boemia) who testified that footprints found in
the corridor and bathroom of the flat belonged to Amanda Knox and Raffaele
Sollecito and had been made in Meredith’s blood.
This is not my opinion, but rather part of the official court record
available to the public via transcripts.

I'll be more than happy to take suggestions from fellow members here if anyone has any (regarding my reply to her).
 
I doubt Curatolo's eyecite (for you Bill) was strong and seeing at night for a mid-fifties heroin addict is a difficult task. He should have been asked to pick out the kids from 30 yards away from a group of like looking kids.

Pede poena claudo.
 
I wrote an email to Andrea Vogt with questions why she's spreading misinformation and she replied. This is what she wrote:
Andrea Vogt said:
Mr. Donald,

The story refers to testimony made in open court by footprint experts
(Lorenzo Rinaldi and Pietro Boemia) who testified that footprints found in
the corridor and bathroom of the flat belonged to Amanda Knox and Raffaele
Sollecito and had been made in Meredith’s blood.
This is not my opinion, but rather part of the official court record
available to the public via transcripts.

I'll be more than happy to take suggestions from fellow members here if anyone has any (regarding my reply to her).
Why is Andrea wanting to make the news rather than report on it.

Trial transcripts also include evidence of a single attacker on.y Trial transcripts include the feasibility and probability that the break-in was doable and real.

Why choose one piece of testimony to buttress a case against Knox and Sollecito when there is other testimony at the Massei trial which tends to acquit?

Why are you becoming involved IN the story, rather than simply reporting on it?

Have you ever recanted your false claim when reporting Knox's words, "I was there"? You wrote that this was a further confession made to her mother that she was at the cottage, when the plain meaning of it in its larger context was that she was at Raffaele's?
 
I would also want to know if Ms. Vogt considers herself the primary source of information to Peggy Ganong's version of PMF. What is Ms. Vogt's relationship to Peggy Ganong and PMF now?

What is Ms. Vogt's opinion about the obvious slurs and ad hominem remarks on that website?
 
It's my opinion that the scream was Meredith, Its also possible that it was Amanda. Randi is right, my opinion as to who screamed is giving weight to what Guede and Amanda said. I believe Curatolo observed the defendants before the crime and after when they returned to check if someone was coming via the gate, A heated argument and looking over the fence at this point fits. Sound does carry below the cottage the surrounding shape of trees on hills on rock creates the bowl. I'm not budging on that fact as well as the fact that sitting in Grimana you couldn't hear a dog barking below the cottage or people talking. It would be probable for Curatolo to not be able to hear the scream from his location.
Amanda's testimony is that she did not hear a scream. This was in reference to the imagined, "Tell us what what you would have heard if you'd been there," trick question at interrogation.

She was then faced with, "Well if you were there, why didn't you hear screams?" Her answer was further confusion, "I guess I must have covered my ears."

The point is, she was never there.
 
confirmatory blood tests are the norm

I wrote an email to Andrea Vogt with questions why she's spreading misinformation and she replied. This is what she wrote:


I'll be more than happy to take suggestions from fellow members here if anyone has any (regarding my reply to her).
She is quoting from sources who are demonstrably unreliable: See my reply upthread earlier this morning. Besides the things I said in that message, there is the lack of a confirmatory test for blood. And why only use the prosecution's experts as one's sources? An extremely disappointing article.
 
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^^
I quoted your and Bill's posts and glued them together, as my English is not good enough to get involved in a decent discussion.
Ms. Vogt,
Why do you want to make news rather than report on it?Trial transcripts
also include evidence of a single attacker only Trial transcripts include
the feasibility and probability that the break-in was doable and real.Why
choose one piece of testimony to buttress a case against Knox and Sollecito
when there is other testimony at the Massei trial which tends to acquit?
Why are you becoming involved IN the story, rather than simply reporting on
it?Have you ever recanted your false claim when reporting Knox's
words, "I was there"? You wrote that this was a further
confession made to her mother that she was at the cottage, when the plain
meaning of it in its larger context was that she was at Raffaele's?

As to footprints you wrote "On the forensic front, the Supreme Court
states its belief that the footprints attributed to Knox, which contained
both Knox and Kercher’s DNA, were made in blood. The court also found
there was no evidence that contamination occurred." The number of
female footprints which contain the DNA of both Knox and Kercher is zero.
The blobs in Filomena's room don't qualify as footprints. The
print in Amanda's room had her DNA only. The footprints in the hallway
did not have DNA; only an unattributed shoe print did. In addition, the
attribution of the prints to Amanda and Raffaele suffers from the obvious
deficiency that only reference prints from Amanda, Raffaele, and Rudi were
even taken. In addition the luminol was overapplied, leading to loss of
detail and dilation of the images, according to a pro-guilt commenter,
namely Colonel Garofano. Claiming that a print belongs to one person under
these circumstances is simply not justified by the data IMO. Not even
close.

And why only use the prosecution's experts as one's sources? An
extremely disappointing article.

Here's an interesting article on the general lack of confirmatory
testing in the Knox/Sollecito case:
http://viewfromwilmington.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-sensitivities-of-presumptive-and.html

Kind regards,
Donald.

I'll come back when (if) she replies.
 
lack of convincing evidence

From the link at View from Wilmington: "With respect to the luminol-positive, DNA-negative areas in this case, Drs.Virkler and Lednev said, 'The prosecution should have used much more convincing evidence to prove the presence of blood.'" They coauthored a review that appeared in Forensic Sciences International in 2009, and Dr. Lednev served on a white house subcommittee on the future of forensics.
 
Summary of Review of Labwork

Sorry for monster post, but I wanted to share:
The Lab Procedure​

1. The lab utilized a highly unorthodox 50-cycle ICN (Increased Cycle Number) procedure in amplifying the samples via Real Time PCR (RT-qPCR). See https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/scientific_evidence/high_sensitivity_dna_analysis/ (stating that Crown Prosecution Service uses 28-cycle standard, and applies 34-cycle standard only secondarily and under restriction). The lab amplified all of its samples at 50 cycles, nothwithstanding the fact that the lab’s assay kit was validated for 28 cycles of amplification, the accepted standard for ordinary forensic samples is no more than 30 cycles, and the accepted standard for Low Copy Number (LCN) samples is 34 cycles.

2. In ordinary practice, a lab would subject to electrophoresis those samples that were positive for amplification product after completing 28 or 34 cycles (at which point the amplification reaction was halted). Stefanoni, however, amplified all of her samples at 50 cycles and used the CT (Cycle Threshold) value generated in the amplification process to determine which amplifications should be subjected to electrophoresis. The net effect of this unorthodox procedure was that samples were subjected to an additional 15 to 25+ cycles of amplification after exhibiting an acceptable CT value. In addition, some samples achieved an acceptable CT value well in excess of 28 or even 34 cycles. This procedure increased the likelihood of introducing otherwise undetectable, extraneous DNA contamination. http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject09/pdi_s09_m01_03_a.htm (noting likelihood of “undetectable, extraneous DNA contamination”); see also http://www.denverda.org/DNA_Documents/LCN DNA Article Gill.pdf (discouraging amplification in excess of 34 cycles, because it “encourages artifact production”).

3. Generally, the lab subjected to electrophoresis those samples that amplified with CT values below 35. However, the fact that a sample amplified with a CT value below 35, and was therefore subjected to electrophoresis and generated an electropherogram, does not mean that the electropherogram was disclosed to the defendants. Indeed, a large number of electropherograms have been suppressed, and we can hypothesize that they reflect the expected outcome—i.e., contamination—of the unorthodox 50-cycle process employed by the lab.

4. Analyzing the lab results through November 23, 2007, for which amplification records have been produced (this excludes the samples that presumably were amplified in between November 6 and November 22, because the applicable PCR records have been suppressed) we can make the following observations concerning the creation and suppression of electropherograms:


a. CT value below 32: For samples that amplified with a CT value below 32, the prosecution suppressed only the electropherograms that were deemed damaging to the prosecution’s case. Specifically, known suppressed electropherograms with CT values below 32 include No. 601 (a 26-CT amplification of blood located in the downstairs apartment, belying the identification of downstairs samples as “cat’s blood”) and No. 939 and 944 (amplifications from Kercher’s bra, which would likely suggest contamination and therefore would support that the bra clasp was contaminated).​

b. CT value of 33 to 35: For samples that amplified with a CT value of 33 to 35, the prosecution produced only those electropherograms that were helpful to the prosecution’s case (36b is perhaps included in this category); it suppressed all other electropherograms, including but not limited to Nos. 600, 602-04, 626, 628, 948 and 952, all of which would probably show contamination in the form of mixed/uninterpretable results, and therefore undermine the prosecution’s case.​


c. CT in excess of 35: The lab did not process numerous positive amplification products in excess of 35 CT, because these samples likely would have generated mixed/uninterpretable electropherograms and therefore would have undercut the prosecution’s case by suggesting the presence of human DNA, possibly due to contamination in the field and/or lab.​

5. The lab ran both negative and positive controls in at least part of its processes, however, almost all of the relevant records have been suppressed.

6. Each PCR run contained a set of negative controls (No Template Control (NTC)) and positive controls (based on processing of the “0.068 STD” lab standard). For the PCR runs for which records have been produced, the controls appear to have been successful; however, the PCR records for run nos. 545 through 548, which would contain the amplification of 36b, have been suppressed, and therefore there is no record of any control processed in conjunction with the amplification of 36b.

7. After processing via PCR, at least some of the control samples were subjected to electrophoresis. The positive controls can be located in gaps in the electropherogram production, meaning that the electropherograms were created but all have been suppressed, including but not limited to, electropherogram Nos. 622 and 631. The electropherogram records do not show an obvious gap for the negative controls.

8. All control records have been suppressed for the amplification and electrophoresis runs that produced 36b.

9. The ABI 3700 electrophoresis machine utilized by the lab suffers from known design defects known to cause contamination. http://cstl.nist.gov/strbase/valida..._Ref 2340 FSS validation of 3100 and 3700.pdf

Batch One Results​

10. Processing of the first batch of lab samples commenced on November 5 and was completed on or about November 6. Curiously, this batch is designated by a case number (L10747-01) that is different from the case number that was later used for the rest of the case (28669-01).

11. The results from the first batch show that the rapist and the intruder who left the feces in the toilet were one in the same person (i.e., Guede, identified at the time as Uomo No. 2), and that that person was not Sollecito or Lumumba. Thus, the prosecution had Guede’s DNA profile in hand as early as November 6 (probably prompting a concordant leak to the press that a “fourth” man might be involved). These exculpatory lab results, however, were not disclosed for the detention hearing on November 9. In fact, when the exculpatory electropherograms were subsequently produced, they were produced without date information, so that it remains obscured that the prosecution suppressed these exculpatory electropherograms in order to secure the pretrial detention order.

12. The first batch of lab results focused heavily on the downstairs crime scene, in particular, various blood spots that were collected inside and outside of the downstairs apartment. The lab successfully amplified human DNA in many of the samples from these spots. Further, some of the blood spot samples were subjected to electrophoresis, yielding electropherograms. Notwithstanding these facts, the downstairs/outside crime scene investigation was abandoned as soon as Knox/Sollecito were identified as “suspects,” and never revisited by the forensics squad. All samples of the downstairs/outside blood samples have been falsely described as “cat’s blood,” and all corresponding electropherograms (Nos. 600-604, 688-89) have been suppressed.

13. Because the lab was legally prohibited from conducting testing after suspects had been arrested, there was a 5-day delay in some testing for the period Wednesday, November 7 to Sunday, November 11. Notwithstanding this prohibition, it is evident that the lab in fact conducted ongoing testing on November 6, at a time after Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba had already been arrested.

Batch Two Results​

14. The lab resumed testing on November 12.

15. It does not appear to be true that the RT-qPCR machine was out of service as of November 12, as was allegedly claimed; rather, we can identify that RT-qPCR run nos. 545 through 548 correspond to this period between November 6 (PCR Run No. 544) and November 23 (PCR Run No. 549). However, all records of RT-qPCR run nos. 545 through 548 have been suppressed, and therefore, there are no records of the amplification of the samples that were processed during the period November 12 through November 23.

16. Electrophoresis plate no. 365bis was processed on November 13, and contained sample 36b (kitchen knife blade). This plate is remarkable because (i) it is labeled with the suffix “-bis,” suggesting that for this plate, Stefanoni deviated from her ordinary procedures by using of bis-tris propane or similar agent, perhaps intended to “clean up” noisy test results, (ii) three out of the four disclosed electropherograms from this plate generated very low RFU readings, and iii) there are a large number of suppressed electropherograms from this plate, suggesting a serious problem with mixed and uninterpretable profiles.

17. The following egrams have been suppressed from the plate no. 365bis run: 758-60, 762 to 769.

18. The RFU scale for egram No. 36b suggests that it was generated from an extremely-low copy sample; perhaps so low that the profiled DNA could not have gone through a 50-cycle amplification process and therefore must have been introduced after amplification. Since the lab at some point in the process employed a concentration step, and since it appears that the samples in plate no. 365bis underwent some kind of “clean up” procedure, there may have been opportunity for such contamination after amplification but prior to electrophoresis.

19. Immediately after completing electrophoresis plate no. 365bis and isolating Kercher’s profile in sample 36b, Stefanoni created a second electropherogram of the sample, apparently as a single sample in the succeeding plate no. 366. This suggests that Stefanoni, herself, believed 36b to be the result of contamination, and possibly, that she had no control records to validate the original finding. It is unclear whether this subsequent 36b electropherogram was generated from the same or second amplification well for 36b.

Sample Storage and Recordkeeping​

20. Many of the exhibits collected in the early days of the case were catalogued, packaged and stored together for a lengthy period, allowing for a significant opportunity for contamination if not packed correctly, e.g., packed in a calendar box.

21. Extensive laboratory documentation has been withheld. These records include: (i) evidence collection/receipt reports, (ii) logs/indices of lab traces, (iii) all authentic/contemporaneous extraction records, (iv) complete and authentic Qubit Flourometer records, (v) Real Time PCR records for run nos. 545 to 548, which would include the amplification records for 36b, (vi) records of concentration/purification processes, (vii) certain electropherograms (e.g., nos. 600-604, 617, 622, 626, 628, 631, 685-86, 688-89, 693-94, 758-60, 762-69, 939, 944, 948, and 952), and of course (viii) EDFs.
 
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Two witnesses hear a scream at about the same time. Antonella, a teacher leaned out the window and was concerned enough to go to the apartment downstairs to check with her parents. Nothing suggests she came forward later for attention . More than one witness, the scream happened and Meredith's voice was heard. I would imagine unless there is a gunshot screams and fighting are heard by witnesses and they aren't reported until later during the investigation of a crime. Common because people don't want to bother the police for a false alarm.

Like Hellman said. These theories are full of probably's and whole lot of imagining. No facts. Nothing to validate any of it.
 
Snook,

Why don't you ask her if she still stands by the statements made by Laura Wray the DNA expert of PMF. Laura Wray turns out to be an office worker at a fashion house with a B.S. undergraduate degree in biology. She went by the name Nicki (sp?).

Ask her why she would interview Peggy Ganong as part of her coverage of a case in Italy, when Peggy has no inside knowledge and didn't spend any time in Perugia.

You might also ask her for a list of aricles she has written about anything but Amanda.

"To think that this is the crime scene of the most internationally famous murder case right now ... it's astonishing to me," said Bremner, who is assisting a group of Knox supporters.

But Laura Wray, an American molecular biologist living in Milan, Italy, who works regularly with DNA samples, said she believes many of the defense claims of contamination or poor match are "groundless."

Concerns about contamination aside, investigators have definitively matched DNA found on the bra clasp to Sollecito, said Wray, who has followed the case closely. However, Wray said the alleged murder weapon evidence is weakened by the fact that there wasn't enough DNA recovered from the knife to run a second set of tests. This may be a key point for the Knox defense.


Yes ask her for proof Wray is a micro biologist.
 
I don't believe that the experts ever said they were a match only compatible, a standard too low for evidence. This is similar to taking a smudged fingerprint and saying it is compatible with a defendant or having a few alleles match - it isn't compelling at all.

The technicians were asked to: (1) compare the shoeprints found during the crime scene inspection – in particular, trace 105 on Meredith’s pillow-slip, attributed to the presumed print of a woman’s left shoe – with the seized shoes; (2) compare the footprints taken from those being investigated with the foot print found on the bathmat in the so-called small bathroom of the Via della Pergola cottage; (3) compare the footprints taken from those being investigated with the prints revealed by means of Luminol; (4) ascertain the compatibility or non-compatibility of the prints found in the cottage with those taken during physical examination of the persons under investigation
So they didn't determine matches as they weren't asked to determine matches. They didn't look at other samples of footprints from other people and they weren't given a line-up of prints to pick out.

As was pointed out these same "experts" got the show print wrong. They used a discredited system of grid analysis.

ETA More from Massei:

Due to the lack of minutiae found on the friction ridges *‚epidermal ridges‛+, these latter being highly differentiating elements, the technicians decided that the print on the mat was useful for negative comparisons but not for positive ones; in this case, in the same manner as for print 5/A and for numerous others, Dr Rinaldi and Chief Inspector Boemia arrived at an opinion of probable identity, as will be explained

The method used was that of overlaying each print with a grid measured off in centimetres, the so-called ‚Grid of L.M. Robbins‛


The above-mentioned differences led the technicians to conclude that there was compatibility of imprint “A” on the mat with regard to the general characteristics of shape and size with Raffaele Sollecito’s right foot, and this outcome allowed them to express of an opinion of probable identity ; at the same time they arrived at a finding of non-[366] compatibility of print ‚A‛ with Rudy Hermann Guede’s right foot (page 44 transcripts).

So the experts said they thought it looked more like Raf's than Rudy's.
 
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Snook,

Why don't you ask her if she still stands by the statements made by Laura Wray the DNA expert of PMF. Laura Wray turns out to be an office worker at a fashion house with a B.S. undergraduate degree in biology. She went by the name Nicki (sp?).

Ask her why she would interview Peggy Ganong as part of her coverage of a case in Italy, when Peggy has no inside knowledge and didn't spend any time in Perugia.

You might also ask her for a list of aricles she has written about anything but Amanda.

"To think that this is the crime scene of the most internationally famous murder case right now ... it's astonishing to me," said Bremner, who is assisting a group of Knox supporters.

But Laura Wray, an American molecular biologist living in Milan, Italy, who works regularly with DNA samples, said she believes many of the defense claims of contamination or poor match are "groundless."

Concerns about contamination aside, investigators have definitively matched DNA found on the bra clasp to Sollecito, said Wray, who has followed the case closely. However, Wray said the alleged murder weapon evidence is weakened by the fact that there wasn't enough DNA recovered from the knife to run a second set of tests. This may be a key point for the Knox defense.


Yes ask her for proof Wray is a micro biologist.

My conspiratorial little mind is wondering if Andrea Vogt is more central to keeping the hater's PR machine going than any of us realize. Yes, she herself has profited from this murder with a few articles - but not so much like Barbie Nadeau. At least Nadeau is one of CNN's "go to people" on the Kercher murder trials, as long as she behaves herself.

It's just puzzling about Vogt. She's pursuing an agenda which is not all that clear. She has very infrequent paycheques from stuff she submits, but she still disseminates through her seldom-visited blog guilter talking points.

What was her latest? Pure Galati. It was that the ISC has directed the Florence courts to reconsider evidence thrown out by Hellmann, but this time to evaluation it with, as she put it, a higher standard of proof.

WTF!? I thought the standard of proof applied to the prosecution. She is certainly not saying that Hellmann's acquittals were thrown out because Hellmann adopted too high a standard of proof on these things he threw out. Is she?

She's misusing this phrase to suggest that the Florence court should assume that the prosecution has already met the standard of proof - which, by the way, on each piece of evidence is only on the balance of probabilities to begin with. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" belongs only for the prosecution's case as a whole.

Vogt either purposefully or ignorantly misuses this issue of "a higher standard of proof."

But give that it was Vogt's reporting that formed the core of the developing hate-site at PMF, and given Vogt's centrality to known guilter who post copiously on the 'net, esp. at these sites.....

I'm beginning to suspect, using my own suspicious little mind (I'll grant you that!), that once all the smoke clears in 5 or ten years's time, you'll find that she played a more central role than she's letting on. But that may just be me.

For the record, has Vogt EVER recanted her story about, "I was there"? Vogt led Seattle readers to believe that Knox had been secretly audiotaped confessing to her mother that she really was back at the cottage.

That's what Vogt reported. Yet when that comment is put into the context of the recording, Knox was saying she had been back at Raffaele's.

I remember this misquote of Vogt's being used to buttress the invalid claim that Knox kept changing her story.

For my liking, Vogt played a role in creating the very news she reported on. But is was NOT for her own financial gain really. That would be to confuse her with Barbie Nadeau.

So the only thing left is to wonder...... what's in it for Vogt? To keep her relationship with Peggy Ganong intact? I think not.
 
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Sorry for monster post, but I wanted to share:
The Lab Procedure​
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Excellent post, amazing information. I only wish I had more intelligence on the science.

I think the two might have a slim chance at being acquitted if they allow the science discussion and review of Stefonani's work.
If the court judges choose gut-instinct and face-saving as evidence, it will be an ugly injustice, imo.
 
I remember this misquote of Vogt's being used to buttress the invalid claim that Knox kept changing her story.

For my liking, Vogt played a role in creating the very news she reported on. But is was NOT for her own financial gain really. That would be to confuse her with Barbie Nadeau.

So the only thing left is to wonder...... what's in it for Vogt? To keep her relationship with Peggy Ganong intact? I think not.

Bill you weren't following this case when Vogt wrote those things.

She had a small journalistic career and actually has a degree in journalism and some experience. She has more education cred than Barbie by far.

Vogt fits in with a group of the hateful women that at some point lived in Europe and are losing their youth and with it a certain appearance. Most of these women have in common their self proclaimed sophistication and a disdain for the US as well as being without children. Have you noticed the attacks on Curt for bringing hamburger helper to Italy. The attacks on Edda for being fat and ugly (Amanda's future according to the PGP) and as quoted above alluding to the fact that all supporters are unsophisticated boobs.

Go check on Vogt's writing history. She did stories on Germany's sex industry. She even wrote a book.
 
But Laura Wray, an American molecular biologist living in Milan, Italy, who works regularly with DNA samples, said she believes many of the defense claims of contamination or poor match are "groundless."

Concerns about contamination aside, investigators have definitively matched DNA found on the bra clasp to Sollecito, said Wray, who has followed the case closely. However, Wray said the alleged murder weapon evidence is weakened by the fact that there wasn't enough DNA recovered from the knife to run a second set of tests. This may be a key point for the Knox defense.


Yes ask her for proof Wray is a micro biologist.

ask her if Stefonanis group is so perfect, what happened to re-testing the bra clasp?

intentional destruction of evidence? or incompetence?
 
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Sorry for monster post, but I wanted to share:


It's all very impressive. But for all I know you could be just making up the evidence as it relates to this case. Not that I believe you are making anything up but I cannot support what I cannot verify. To do otherwise would make me indistinguishable from the standard guilter.
 
Why is Andrea wanting to make the news rather than report on it.

Trial transcripts also include evidence of a single attacker on.y

Would you qute such transcript “evidence” of “a single attacker only”? Where did you read/hear it? In what transcript is it?
(maybe you read it there where you read a judge finding that Knox had no psychopathology, and that there was no mixed DNA blood trace… )

Trial transcripts include the feasibility and probability that the break-in was doable and real.

Where and how do (you think) the transcripts show that the break in was “real”? Or show the “probability” that it was “real”?

(I would say Micheli and Massei tend agree with Vogt on what the transcripts show… )

Why choose one piece of testimony to buttress a case against Knox and Sollecito when there is other testimony at the Massei trial which tends to acquit?

A testimony that tends to acquit? An interesting concept.
I wait for your quotes of transcripts showing your claims.

Why are you becoming involved IN the story, rather than simply reporting on it?

I would be tempted to ask you why didn’t you attend a court hearing, or read the transcripts yourself, if you are so involved.

Have you ever recanted your false claim when reporting Knox's words, "I was there"? You wrote that this was a further confession made to her mother that she was at the cottage, when the plain meaning of it in its larger context was that she was at Raffaele's?

It seems the Cassazione too defintely agrees with Vogt, rather than with you. Matteini, Ricciarelli, Micheli and Massei; which means, look: all existing court judgements (Pratillo Hellmann was annulled) happen to agree with Vogt, about what was the obvious meaning of Knox’s statement. Plus Mignini, Comodi, Costagliola and Galati, and all magistrates and judges at Cassazione (and now, likely, Florentine prosecutors) seem to agree qith Vogt, about what the “larger context” was.
Everybody at alll courts agreed with Vogt; everybody (except the defence) thought that there was absolutely no "plain" context where the meaning of Knox's statement was "at Raffaele's" .
Despite this, however, for some reason you question why Vogt(!) read it that way (wouldn’t it be more logical that you question why *you* see something different?). How is it - in your opinion - that the "larger context" shows such a "plain" and clear meaning (were Edda and Amanda obviously and explicitly speaking about Raffaele's place in that dialogue lines? Quote?).
 
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