Shooter at DC Shipyard

LTC8K6 said:
I don't recall any discussion of any gun control law that would have banned shotguns, or made them difficult to purchase.
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As I have said before, ALL guns should be strictly controlled, and difficult for civilians to obtain. Licenses should be issued only after testing both practical and medical, and insurance must be maintained.

This as an alternative to banning the damned things totally.
 
LTC8K6 said:
It looks like he only owned a pistol and a shotgun, and legally he shouldn't have had those, given his history. And he only bought the shotgun recently.

Why he still had a permit is beyond me.

I have more guns than that, and I'm not considered a "gun nut" by most people.
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Are you saying the present gun laws do not adequately protect the public?
 
BenBurch said:
As I have said before, ALL guns should be strictly controlled, and difficult for civilians to obtain. Licenses should be issued only after testing both practical and medical, and insurance must be maintained.

This as an alternative to banning the damned things totally.
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"All guns" really just means the guns of honest citizens who haven't done anything wrong.

Whether banning, or controlling.
 
LTC8K6 said:
No law, that is unenforced, does much.

This guy shot up a car in a rage over parking. Not to mention his other problems.

It's infuriating.
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Why aren't the gun laws enforced?

LTC8K6 said:
...When you shoot at a vehicle because the owner dissed you, and you've been arrested a few times, you should go to jail and not be allowed to purchase guns any more.
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Do you have a link to this?
 
No hysteics NWO jsut pointing out from outside the USA it looks like its lost is grip on controlling guns, the only hsyteria I have seen is from the anti gun control lobby only serving to make the problem of almost total lack of any control whatsoever worse.
 
I noticed yesterday that a local sporting goods store has a separate area for tactical gear. A counter selling AR-15s and similar firearms, "cold steel" knives, camo outfits, night vision gear.

Who buys this stuff?
 
BStrong said:
Why not avoid the rush and get on the winning team?

Local reports are that the shooter has two previous LE contacts involving firearms.

One negligent discharge inside his apartment while he was "cleaning his gun" and an incident where he shot out the tires on a vehicle in a "blackout" from rage.

News report just stated he brought a shotgun into the facility, broke into a gun safe on site and removed an assault rifle and continued his attack using that, and it is believed that he also took a weapon from a LEO who was wounded and down.
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In the UK you would have your gun taken off you for that and would seriously struggle to get it back. Then consider the difficulty he would have getting an illegal gun and you can see why these incidents are common in the USA and rare in the UK.
 
Nessie said:
In the UK you would have your gun taken off you for that and would seriously struggle to get it back. Then consider the difficulty he would have getting an illegal gun and you can see why these incidents are common in the USA and rare in the UK.
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That's exactly what should have happened to Alexis under current US law, imo. He shot up a car in a rage.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Alexis.pdf
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LTC8K6 said:
He put a round through the ceiling at an upstairs neighbor he was upset with, and claimed he was cleaning his pistol and cooking at the same time...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/aaron-alexis-navy-yard-shooter-567432
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Thanks.

I see in the first incident in 2004 his father told Seattle police his son suffered from PTSD a result of his working at the World Trade Center following the Sept. 11th attacks. That sounds like a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card.

Three years following that incident Alexis enlisted in the U.S. Navy. The accidental discharge in Ft. Worth in 2010, that might've been while he was still in the Navy. According to other news reports he was serving at the Ft. Worth (TX) Naval Air Station at that time.

So I can see how he slipped through the cracks. The problem is, there are probably many people who have incidents like this on their records and none of them go on to stage mass killings. It's a not a one-size-fits-all scenario.

However enough of people have said the existing gun laws are not enforced to convince me this is probably true. I think we as a society need to begin demanding that they ARE enforced.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
That's exactly what should have happened to Alexis under current US law, imo. He shot up a car in a rage.
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To continue the comparison, if this was the UK whoever issued his permit, failed to revoke it and seize his gun would now be under investigation to see if there was a neglect of duty.
 
newyorkguy said:
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However enough of people have said the existing gun laws are not enforced to convince me this is probably true. I think we as a society need to begin demanding that they ARE enforced.
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Even the NRA would support that.
 
Nessie said:
To continue the comparison, if this was the UK whoever issued his permit, failed to revoke it and seize his gun would now be under investigation to see if there was a neglect of duty.
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I think the error was with the police who basically did not prosecute the vehicle shooting incident. So the incident did not end up on his records as it should have.

I really can't imagine shooting up a car in a rage and getting away with it.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think the error was with the police who basically did not prosecute the vehicle shooting incident. So the incident did not end up on his records as it should have.

I really can't imagine shooting up a car in a rage and getting away with it.
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It looks like they charged him with discharge of a weapon. I don't see a disposition in the report you were kind enough to link. However, he acted very irresponsibly but I think to call it shooting up a car in a rage is maybe overstating it a bit. He fired three shots at a tire of an unoccupied vehicle because...wasn't this over construction workers hogging parking spaces? Not to minimize it but...

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