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FBI dropped the ball wrt Mossaoui

Hey, I have to admit that the lihop slant is the best bet for 911 truthers to take. Why? Because it involves messy, unpredictable human responses to data.
Why didn't the FBI track down any other similar individuals taking flight lessons? Why was international intel not acted upon? Why didn't the CIA cooperate in the best interests of national security and share easily with the FBI?

These are very dis-similar to questions involving what caused the collapses, or whether or not aircraft hit the towers, the Pentagon, or a field in Shankesville. Those involve physics and direct evidence.The biggest problem with lihop is the same thing that makes it their best bet. It involves messy, unpredictable human responses to data.

Frankly I do not normally get involved with lihop theories complaints.

The most succinct answer to the above lihop questions is that human nature caused a failure to intercept the plot. Period, full stop, end of story.
 
jaydeehess said:
The most succinct answer to the above lihop questions is that human nature caused a failure to intercept the plot. Period, full stop, end of story.
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LIHOP requires the least fantastical effort to explain, I suspect this is why it's the CT's least favorite theory.
 
Jetblast said:
You mean like setting-up false flag attacks?








So you are kind of indirectly saying that the ones that aren't honest and law-abiding are the ones that commit the evil stuff I'm pointing-out like the false flag attack on 9-11? You should read the words of James Angleton when he said the most ruthless and willing to sell out other people for their own gains were those who were chosen for promotion at CIA. Angleton said they would probably burn in hell and included himself. Great group you endorse.

The creator of CIA, Truman, wrote an editorial a month after Kennedy's assassination saying the agency had gotten out of control and gone way beyond its original purpose as an intelligence-gathering organization and become a political policy enforcement organ it was never intended to be. It had become an organization not controlled by democracy. What message was Truman trying to send 1 month after Kennedy's assassination?








Berchtesgarten probably did too.









Northwoods is actually a good analogy because it shows the full scale of a false flag and its intention as a pretext for invasion. I take your reply as the arrogant admission and boasting that it is.


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After the CIA's Zoom Climb propaganda was scientifically disproven they came up with no explanation, meaning the official story is now disproven.








Ah ha. You know, known airliner fuel bomb terrorists are usually charged with visa violation.







Bojinka was only a failure because the bomb chemicals accidentally ignited in the Manila safe house causing the fire department to be called and exposing the plot. You are contending the government was not concerned with more players trying to bring down towers and blow-up 12 wide-bodies. Ho hum.







Ah ha. We'll just take their word for everything. After all, they are mostly honest and law-abiding.
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No citations then. Only more twoofer nonsense. What a surprise. Will you still be posting nonsense about 911 in twenty year's time?
 
swright777 said:
I hate to agree with Jetblast on this, so I won't. ;)
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So you're saying there's pressure on this site to avoid admitting the truth?


Isn't this tantamount to saying the majority are liars and therefore 9-11 was a conspiracy?
 
jaydeehess said:
Hey, I have to admit that the lihop slant is the best bet for 911 truthers to take. Why? Because it involves messy, unpredictable human responses to data.
Why didn't the FBI track down any other similar individuals taking flight lessons? Why was international intel not acted upon? Why didn't the CIA cooperate in the best interests of national security and share easily with the FBI?

These are very dis-similar to questions involving what caused the collapses, or whether or not aircraft hit the towers, the Pentagon, or a field in Shankesville. Those involve physics and direct evidence.The biggest problem with lihop is the same thing that makes it their best bet. It involves messy, unpredictable human responses to data.

Frankly I do not normally get involved with lihop theories complaints.

The most succinct answer to the above lihop questions is that human nature caused a failure to intercept the plot. Period, full stop, end of story.
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In my opinion I think it's obvious your fulminations are designed to avoid answering the point. It's like a filibuster. Opinionating instead of answering to the best evidence.
 
Jetblast said:
So you're saying there's pressure on this site to avoid admitting the truth?


Isn't this tantamount to saying the majority are liars and therefore 9-11 was a conspiracy?
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If the majority of people on this site are liars then it's an odds on bet that you are a liar, are you confessing to lying?
 
BStrong said:
If Jetblast was really with the program, he would know that long before the Gulf of Tonkin, we had operators on the ground in Laos 57 - on (project White Star) and the fore-runner to the MAC-V adviser program was running about 5 minutes after Dien Bien Phu fell.

Well, that and the obligatory gratuitous reference to Northwoods, shows a lack of understanding of not just history, but reality.
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I personally know a Laotian who was directly involved in all that. His father was Laotian military who advised CIA where to drop their bombs. He was a boy who saw people on bicycles vaporized to white ash by American bombs. This man's father was captured after CIA cut and ran from Laos and the Pathet Lao took over. They made him fill bomb craters in the hot sun with a small basket. He was lucky to escape to America as was his son who achieved it by swimming across the Mekong River at night.

I know a 1963 VietNam vet whose missions he can't talk about. He was permanently shaken by those they left behind in the jungle.

No your specious patronization is meaningless against the true history discovered by Maryland professor and retired Army officer John Newman who discovered JFK was actually trying a neutralization pact in Laos that was against the wishes of the generals. Best shown in Douglass' book 'JFK And The Unspeakable'. It was this unprecedented effort towards detente with the communists that got JFK killed in Dallas in a coup d'etat. It was the same effort that had to be reversed by Johnson using the Gulf Of Tonkin false flag as a method. They gave Johnson the presidency by a bullet to JFK's head. Johnson then gave them their war.

Kennedy went to VietNam with Bobby in 1951. He spoke to ambassador Gullion who told him any colonial war in Vietnam would be as unwinnable as Dien Bien Phu turned out to be 3 years later. It was at this point that Kennedy established his international policy.

"Really with the program". Geesh...
 
Jetblast said:
I personally know a Laotian who was directly involved in all that. His father was Laotian military who advised CIA where to drop their bombs. He was a boy who saw people on bicycles vaporized to white ash by American bombs. This man's father was captured after CIA cut and ran from Laos and the Pathet Lao took over. They made him fill bomb craters in the hot sun with a small basket. He was lucky to escape to America as was his son who achieved it by swimming across the Mekong River at night.

I know a 1963 VietNam vet whose missions he can't talk about. He was permanently shaken by those they left behind in the jungle.

No your specious patronization is meaningless against the true history discovered by Maryland professor and retired Army officer John Newman who discovered JFK was actually trying a neutralization pact in Laos that was against the wishes of the generals. Best shown in Douglass' book 'JFK And The Unspeakable'. It was this unprecedented effort towards detente with the communists that got JFK killed in Dallas in a coup d'etat. It was the same effort that had to be reversed by Johnson using the Gulf Of Tonkin false flag as a method. They gave Johnson the presidency by a bullet to JFK's head. Johnson then gave them their war.

Kennedy went to VietNam with Bobby in 1951. He spoke to ambassador Gullion who told him any colonial war in Vietnam would be as unwinnable as Dien Bien Phu turned out to be 3 years later. It was at this point that Kennedy established his international policy.

"Really with the program". Geesh...
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Man, you're fun to have around.

At the time White Star was up and running, there really was no effective "Laotian Military." That was why SF operators were there in the first place. Might want to read up on Vang Pao:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vang_Pao

And Kong Le:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong_Le

For background on the conflict and the failure of government in Laos.

For some actual truth and facts about the agency and Laos, might want to start with this:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...ons/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art7.html

And please note - DOD took overall control of most of the former classified projects on or about 1959 or '60.

1963 SF vet that can tell you that he did things he can't talk about? If you're brave enough shoot me a pm with his name and rank and I'll vet the guy - but the old "I wish I could tell you about my 5th tour, but it's classified" war story should start out "Once upon a time..."

So JFK knew in '51 that SEA was a non-starter? sure doesn't match up with this:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/goldzwig.htm

And seriously, the other open JFK thread is the place for this discussion, should we take it there, or do you wish to derail this thread?

BTW, on most of Lao's border with Thailand, the Mekong is a stream, not a river, you can wade across.

But I guess that being there and seeing it for yourself isn't near as cool as writing about it on the 'net as an assertion of knowledge.

ETA - I just can't let this pass - did the "vet from '63" believe he was going to take someone back to Oki or Bragg when he went home? - 63 is a far bit removed from 74.
 
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Jetblast said:
So you're saying there's pressure on this site to avoid admitting the truth?


Isn't this tantamount to saying the majority are liars and therefore 9-11 was a conspiracy?
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Why yes of course its exactly like that. Swright is a rogue jref poster and will be docked 200 Ameros off his next NWO pay.:rolleyes:
 
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Jetblast said:
In my opinion I think it's obvious your fulminations are designed to avoid answering the point. It's like a filibuster. Opinionating instead of answering to the best evidence.
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Sorry, what was the question again that I have not addressed?

You realize that this entire subject, no matter what side of the debate you fall on, is a matter of opinion. Your opinion is that the FBI brass acted in collusion with a rogue CIA group , to intercept and frustrate any attempt to thwart the AL Qaeda attacks of 9/11/01. Your opinion is that the actions and non actions of these agencies proves your point but its all opinion! This is why I prefer to stick with technical matters. 2+2=4 every time in basic decimal number system math.

Since we are talking our opinions of what is obvious, I think its obvious you are a 14 year old parroting someone else's ruminations. You have been asked a very simple question right from the beginning. Please list the supposed 12 flight schools the FBI 'should' have contacted. Its obvious that you ignore this question because your mentor has not listed them for you so you cannot.
 
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Jetblast said:
So you're saying there's pressure on this site to avoid admitting the truth?


Isn't this tantamount to saying the majority are liars and therefore 9-11 was a conspiracy?
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I don't know where you pulled that from. Did you notice the little wink-face at the end of my post?

It was meant as a joke, because that's the best that most (all?) of your comments deserve.

jaydeehess said:
Why yes of course its exactly like that. Swright is a rogue jref poster and will be docked 200 Ameros off his next NWO pay.:rolleyes:
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So I have to put up with the furlough/sequestration and now this? If I could find a better gig I would take it. :mad:

For Jetblasts sake, I'll add this - ;) - so that he can tell it's a joke.
 
Jetblast said:
In my opinion I think it's obvious your fulminations are designed to avoid answering the point. It's like a filibuster. Opinionating instead of answering to the best evidence.
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How does this work when it's only your opinion that it's the best evidence?

For that matter, how does opinion become best evidence? :boggled:
 
Still waiting on what question I have not addressed yet?
I believe I have shown that the intelligence failures can be attributed to intercine rivalries and human nature. Bojinka was 6 years prior to 9/11, the mastermind of it was in jail, AQ had not managed to perform a large scale operation in the past and even the planning of Bojinka was discovered due to a cock.up in the Phillipines by its perpetrators.
Mossaoui was being held on the only provable charge, visa infractions, in Minnesota which is hardly a hotbed of anti-American Jihadists and literally half a world away from the Phillipines.
 
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