9/11 False Flag Conspiracy

[carlitos]

The 'security bonds' - which were due for the routine 10 year authenticity and ownership checks?

According to the video, this was the primary motive.

I would say that a plan on this scale would require a good part of that 10 years to fine tune.

Wow. The first sentence of the video, I see a small flaw:

It's been a while since I learned about bonds, but I think our video maker might be wrong about something. His "cabal" financed the operation by purchasing $240 Billion in securities. Having done that, they could have used the interest coupons for ten years in order to fund ongoing operations. Just spitballing, T-bills were getting 8% back in 1991, so that would be an operating budget of around $20 Billion per year to the cabal over ten years. Plenty of dough to purchase ex-Soviet industry and what not.

Then, on September 12, all those securities were "due." Um, the cabal bought securities, so maybe the video guy means that the bonds "matured" on that date? Which means that the bonds are now worth their face value to the cabal, if they want to cash them in. So they blew up a building to destroy bonds that were mature to prevent themselves from cashing in on $240 Billion dollars? Huh? They also hit the WTC and Pentagon to kill the investigators, create chaos, get the SEC to declare an emergency to prevent the cabal from cashing in the bonds. Why? They bought the bonds; they should be able to cash the bonds.

Later on in the video, he muses that the buildings were destroyed, bond-traders killed, and an SEC emergency declared whereby these bonds could be cleared "without the usual ownership checks." Umm. They bought the bonds. They own the bonds. They can sell the bonds. This makes no sense. They would have been getting interest payments for 10 years, so it's not like they were anonymous.

 

[Spindrift]

Wow. The first sentence of the video, I see a small flaw:

It's been a while since I learned about bonds, but I think our video maker might be wrong about something. His "cabal" financed the operation by purchasing $240 Billion in securities. Having done that, they could have used the interest coupons for ten years in order to fund ongoing operations. Just spitballing, T-bills were getting 8% back in 1991, so that would be an operating budget of around $20 Billion per year to the cabal over ten years. Plenty of dough to purchase ex-Soviet industry and what not.

Then, on September 12, all those securities were "due." Um, the cabal bought securities, so maybe the video guy means that the bonds "matured" on that date? Which means that the bonds are now worth their face value to the cabal, if they want to cash them in. So they blew up a building to destroy bonds that were mature to prevent themselves from cashing in on $240 Billion dollars? Huh? They also hit the WTC and Pentagon to kill the investigators, create chaos, get the SEC to declare an emergency to prevent the cabal from cashing in the bonds. Why? They bought the bonds; they should be able to cash the bonds.

Later on in the video, he muses that the buildings were destroyed, bond-traders killed, and an SEC emergency declared whereby these bonds could be cleared "without the usual ownership checks." Umm. They bought the bonds. They own the bonds. They can sell the bonds. This makes no sense. They would have been getting interest payments for 10 years, so it's not like they were anonymous.

Since when does reality ever impinge on one of these theories?

 

[BStrong]

Wow. The first sentence of the video, I see a small flaw:

It's been a while since I learned about bonds, but I think our video maker might be wrong about something. His "cabal" financed the operation by purchasing $240 Billion in securities. Having done that, they could have used the interest coupons for ten years in order to fund ongoing operations. Just spitballing, T-bills were getting 8% back in 1991, so that would be an operating budget of around $20 Billion per year to the cabal over ten years. Plenty of dough to purchase ex-Soviet industry and what not.

Then, on September 12, all those securities were "due." Um, the cabal bought securities, so maybe the video guy means that the bonds "matured" on that date? Which means that the bonds are now worth their face value to the cabal, if they want to cash them in. So they blew up a building to destroy bonds that were mature to prevent themselves from cashing in on $240 Billion dollars? Huh? They also hit the WTC and Pentagon to kill the investigators, create chaos, get the SEC to declare an emergency to prevent the cabal from cashing in the bonds. Why? They bought the bonds; they should be able to cash the bonds.

Later on in the video, he muses that the buildings were destroyed, bond-traders killed, and an SEC emergency declared whereby these bonds could be cleared "without the usual ownership checks." Umm. They bought the bonds. They own the bonds. They can sell the bonds. This makes no sense. They would have been getting interest payments for 10 years, so it's not like they were anonymous.

You caught that too?

What I want to know is where do all these sociopathic and psychopathic professionals that carry out these atrocities come from? is there some Rent-a-Nut franchise that THEY! go to whenever THEY! need horrific deeds committed?

 

[Navigator]

It's an interesting theory, I'll give it that. I eventually lost interest about 3/4ths of the way through. Short version: Powers That Be let it happen on purpose, but specifically targeted certain floors to wipe out data about some large transfer of money from security bonds that were from the end of the Cold War. Apparently the current "conspiracy theories" are actually shills covering for the greater evil, or just plain wrong (I wasn't certain about which angle the video was going for).
It would be a great story, but...

There are no citations or sources whatsoever for any of this. It's all baseless assertions and accusations, with nothing of substance to back it up. It's really little more than a collection of "if", "maybe", "possibly" and other non-committal words.

Certainly.

The concern is though that ever since this tragedy happened, (is tragedy the best word?) this conspiracy stuff has just grown and the damage it is doing is no small thing.

Or maybe it is a small thing...but I have to wonder at the 'freedom of speech' thing - how far it can be taken to seed ideas into minds regarding the motives of individuals - motives which involve murder and mayhem insinuating complicity in atrocity all while maintaining rule over minions who believe in democracy.

I don't think it is a great story I think it is an ugly one.

 

[Navigator]

Wow. The first sentence of the video, I see a small flaw:

It's been a while since I learned about bonds, but I think our video maker might be wrong about something. His "cabal" financed the operation by purchasing $240 Billion in securities. Having done that, they could have used the interest coupons for ten years in order to fund ongoing operations. Just spitballing, T-bills were getting 8% back in 1991, so that would be an operating budget of around $20 Billion per year to the cabal over ten years. Plenty of dough to purchase ex-Soviet industry and what not.

Then, on September 12, all those securities were "due." Um, the cabal bought securities, so maybe the video guy means that the bonds "matured" on that date? Which means that the bonds are now worth their face value to the cabal, if they want to cash them in. So they blew up a building to destroy bonds that were mature to prevent themselves from cashing in on $240 Billion dollars? Huh? They also hit the WTC and Pentagon to kill the investigators, create chaos, get the SEC to declare an emergency to prevent the cabal from cashing in the bonds. Why? They bought the bonds; they should be able to cash the bonds.

Later on in the video, he muses that the buildings were destroyed, bond-traders killed, and an SEC emergency declared whereby these bonds could be cleared "without the usual ownership checks." Umm. They bought the bonds. They own the bonds. They can sell the bonds. This makes no sense. They would have been getting interest payments for 10 years, so it's not like they were anonymous.

Yes well it had something to do with an ongoing investigation into missing trillions from some budget and apparently the money which the bonds represented was laundered and it was only a matter of time before this would be discovered.

The billions from the interests could have financed the operation.

Apparently 'they' did purchase Soviet industry (like oil).

I didn't catch where the bonds were in any of the buildings. It was potential whistle blowers who were in the buildings at meetings which where on the floors where the aircraft hit.

Evidence about other things connected with the conspiracy were in the buildings and destroyed.

It was all about covering up illicit misuse of funds, as far as I can tell.

 

[beachnut]

Yes well it had something to do with an ongoing investigation into missing trillions from some budget and apparently the money which the bonds represented was laundered and it was only a matter of time before this would be discovered.

The billions from the interests could have financed the operation.

Apparently 'they' did purchase Soviet industry (like oil).

... It was all about covering up illicit misuse of funds, as far as I can tell.

the video is a lie, a big lie


Financed what operation? Buying 5 dollar box cutters, 7 dollar small knives? 911 was done on the cheap, they wasted money on flight training, a skill most kids on the street can do is crash a aircraft into a building, albeit nuts who are committing suicide most likely need as much training in crashing as they can get.

 

[Navigator]

the video is a lie, a big lie


Financed what operation? Buying 5 dollar box cutters, 7 dollar small knives? 911 was done on the cheap, they wasted money on flight training, a skill most kids on the street can do is crash a aircraft into a building, albeit nuts who are committing suicide most likely need as much training in crashing as they can get.

One thing of many things I wonder about is where the Jet fighters were while these aircraft were heading towards the towers.
I also wonder how a bunch of terrorists were so able to achieve these things given the ability of America to counter such tactics with superior technology.

I cant say one way or another that what is in the video is simply 'one big lie' -

For example, in the video it says that the families of the victims had a bit of a battle to get the government to investigate and answer some of the anomalies.
Also, what was that white aircraft filmed in the vicinity doing?
And what were those cylinders seen under the fuselage of the domestic jets?
(did those jets even have markings?)

Still, it is most obvious this stuff isn't just going to 'go away' any time soon. I wonder at some of the obvious personal claims against 'the players' (Such as Bush and the then Mayor of NYC) being accused of complicity to murder and fraud. Are the ones being accused doing anything about it?

I understand the nature of the world we live in, that very rich people can and do get away with stuff that ordinary folk are punished for. Sometimes money itself is all that is required to keep the secrets secret.
That at least is plausible. I would like to think that the Alphas in power are above reproach and genuinely folk of integrity and exceptionally trustworthy but alas, to do so would be more a case of my being naive than realistic.

So all we can do is look at the data, and like I say, I am not a believer either way.

 

[Snarf]

JREF gets mentioned about 15:45 in.

No *********** way!! I don't believe it! You've got to be kidding me!

You made it all the way to the 15:45 mark? How??

 

[cjnewson88]

One thing of many things I wonder about is where the Jet fighters were while these aircraft were heading towards the towers.

It's 2013. If you really are wondering that, then you have done minimal research. If you want to know what was going on that morning, see here, here, here, and here.

I also wonder how a bunch of terrorists were so able to achieve these things given the ability of America to counter such tactics with superior technology.

It was a surprise attack, they were intelligent, patient, and well planned. See here, and here.

I cant say one way or another that what is in the video is simply 'one big lie' -

For example, in the video it says that the families of the victims had a bit of a battle to get the government to investigate and answer some of the anomalies.

The families asked for a public commission to be set up. The investigation itself began on September 11, called PENTTBOM, the largest criminal investigation in the history of the FBI. See here.

Also, what was that white aircraft filmed in the vicinity doing?

White aircraft? Around Manhattan? Which happens to be surrounded by 3 of the busiest airports in the US? Kennedy? Newark? LaGuardia? Any of these ring a bell? Dozens of aircraft an hour take off and land in these airports which surround Manhattan. You think it's a surprise one gets caught in the background of peoples films??

And what were those cylinders seen under the fuselage of the domestic jets?
(did those jets even have markings?)

See here, here, and here.

Still, it is most obvious this stuff isn't just going to 'go away' any time soon. I wonder at some of the obvious personal claims against 'the players' (Such as Bush and the then Mayor of NYC) being accused of complicity to murder and fraud. Are the ones being accused doing anything about it?

No, because they know the few fringe paranoid nuts who claim this are a tiny minority which go out of their way to create conspiracy theories for any administration which happens to be in power at the time. Why waste their time? You can't debunk faith.

I understand the nature of the world we live in, that very rich people can and do get away with stuff that ordinary folk are punished for. Sometimes money itself is all that is required to keep the secrets secret.
That at least is plausible.

I wont argue there, however I will caution to say 99% of the secrete eventually come out. With regards to the Government, they couldn't hide a semen stain on dress in the Oval Office... In the age of whistleblowers, leaks, and spies, not a lot stays secrete.

I would like to think that the Alphas in power are above reproach and genuinely folk of integrity and exceptionally trustworthy but alas, to do so would be more a case of my being naive than realistic.

So all we can do is look at the data, and like I say, I am not a believer either way.

Perhaps spend more time looking at the actual data. You seem to ask some fairly old fashioned questions, things which have been explained years ago. The 9/11 datasets site I linked you to above, download a heap of the data from there. It's a gold mine of information.

 

[Robrob]

So they blew up a building to destroy bonds that were mature to prevent themselves from cashing in on $240 Billion dollars? Huh? They also hit the WTC and Pentagon to kill the investigators, create chaos, get the SEC to declare an emergency to prevent the cabal from cashing in the bonds. Why? They bought the bonds; they should be able to cash the bonds.

Later on in the video, he muses that the buildings were destroyed, bond-traders killed, and an SEC emergency declared whereby these bonds could be cleared "without the usual ownership checks." Umm. They bought the bonds. They own the bonds. They can sell the bonds. This makes no sense. They would have been getting interest payments for 10 years, so it's not like they were anonymous.

Yes well it had something to do with an ongoing investigation into missing trillions from some budget and apparently the money which the bonds represented was laundered and it was only a matter of time before this would be discovered.

It was potential whistle blowers who were in the buildings at meetings which where on the floors where the aircraft hit.
Evidence about other things connected with the conspiracy were in the buildings and destroyed. It was all about covering up illicit misuse of funds, as far as I can tell.

Where can I find an emoticon of a smiley face pounding its head on the desk?

I've heard multiple conflicting and contradictory variations of the "9/11 was carried out for them to cover up theft" meme many, many times before. Gold, bonds, destroying computer records, or assassinating office workers (invariably as an explanation why the "real" target was WTC7 all along). I call this "Argument by Bond Villain." Only someone who bases their POV on the movie screen could seriously espouse these theories.

Gold - this meme completely overlooks the logistical nightmare involved with moving a "bazillion" tons (the claimed numbers always vary wildly) of gold, both physically and economically. Not only is gold heavy but you have to sell it to have money. The commodities market is very sensitive to large influxes. It would be so easy to identify but for some reason no one has ever done it.

Bonds - contrary to what you saw in Die Hard - there are no "untraceable bearer bonds." Everything has a number and unless you base your POV on TV (once again) and Richie Rich comics - you know it's almost impossible to get hard copy "stock certificates" for at least the past 15+ years. Everything is a spread sheet in your broker's office. Not to mention, how dumb do you have to be to (in the imaginary world of paper) to set the building on fire before you steal the docs?

Computer records - Truthers have never heard of intranets, the internet, back up hard drives, floppy disks, etc...? Blowing up the "master computer" is going to make the investigation magically "go away?" Likewise with killing the accountants, etc... More Argument by Bond Villain.

BTW, "missing trillions" is always a clue you're talking to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Ask them to tell you what the DoD's combined budget was from 1991 - 2001. That's good for a laugh!

 

[Reactor drone]

One thing of many things I wonder about is where the Jet fighters were while these aircraft were heading towards the towers.

Well they started out in the QRA shelters, then they moved onto the runway before taking off and climbing to altitude whilst heading south towards NY.

 

[Spindrift]

One thing of many things I wonder about is where the Jet fighters were while these aircraft were heading towards the towers.

Do you think there were fighters sitting on a runway with the engines going?

Do you know how long it takes to get a jet plane into the air? It's not like in the movies where you just hop in, flip a few switches and take off.

 

[Vermonter]

Certainly.

The concern is though that ever since this tragedy happened, (is tragedy the best word?) this conspiracy stuff has just grown and the damage it is doing is no small thing.

Or maybe it is a small thing...but I have to wonder at the 'freedom of speech' thing - how far it can be taken to seed ideas into minds regarding the motives of individuals - motives which involve murder and mayhem insinuating complicity in atrocity all while maintaining rule over minions who believe in democracy.

I don't think it is a great story I think it is an ugly one.

My personal opinion is that belief in conspiracy theories is fine. If someone wants to waste their time and energy researching fictitious adversaries to inflate their own ego, fine, whatever. Once it crosses the line into "We need to bring X to justice for their crimes" with "X" being whatever assumed perpetrator they think is behind it, that is when they've gone too far. That's when you get people who think that they need to take justice into their own hands, and worse, convince others about the same.

They also have to be prepared for the social ramifications of being a conspiracy theorist. Some people (rightfully so) stay far away from such individuals, or treat them differently.

 

[Quad4_72]

Do you think there were fighters sitting on a runway with the engines going?

Do you know how long it takes to get a jet plane into the air? It's not like in the movies where you just hop in, flip a few switches and take off.

Not to mention the time it takes to actually fly to intercept...

 

[Navigator]

1. It's 2013. If you really are wondering that, then you have done minimal research. If you want to know what was going on that morning, see here, here, here, and here.
   
   
   
   It was a surprise attack, they were intelligent, patient, and well planned. See here, and here.
   
   
   
2. The families asked for a public commission to be set up. The investigation itself began on September 11, called PENTTBOM, the largest criminal investigation in the history of the FBI. See here.
   
   
   
3. White aircraft? Around Manhattan? Which happens to be surrounded by 3 of the busiest airports in the US? Kennedy? Newark? LaGuardia? Any of these ring a bell? Dozens of aircraft an hour take off and land in these airports which surround Manhattan. You think it's a surprise one gets caught in the background of peoples films??
   
   
   
4. Seehere, here, and here.
   
   
   
5. No, because they know the few fringe paranoid nuts who claim this are a tiny minority which go out of their way to create conspiracy theories for any administration which happens to be in power at the time. Why waste their time? You can't debunk faith.
   
   
   
6. I wont argue there, however I will caution to say 99% of the secrete eventually come out. With regards to the Government, they couldn't hide a semen stain on dress in the Oval Office... In the age of whistleblowers, leaks, and spies, not a lot stays secrete.
   
   
   
7. Perhaps spend more time looking at the actual data. You seem to ask some fairly old fashioned questions, things which have been explained years ago. The 9/11 datasets site I linked you to above, download a heap of the data from there. It's a gold mine of information.

1. Yes that is true. The fact is I haven't really been that interested in the whole thing until now. I am not overly interested in CTs. I am looking into this because a friend made comment on this recently (taking the CTers side) and I said to him that he ought look into all sides of the argument before coming to any decision. I am more interested in why folk choose to believe in Conspiracies than anything else.
   
   Thanks for those Flight path links too. I can see plainly there was a lot of confusion that morning and it was sad to watch.
   
2. Okay - I will also watch that vid again to get the gist of what was being said in relation to the families.
   
   
3. Yeah - it was a big aircraft which seemed to have something on the top of it. When I watch the video again I will mark the place where this comes up and snip it too.
   
4. This accompaniong music doesn't add seriousness to the subject.
   That aside, the first image:
   
   
   
   clearly shows a difference of lenghts in the underbelly markings which doesn't help. In example 2:
   
   
   
   The color pic is closer to the observer and does not convey that much similarity. To me they look like different models.
   Again, this does not help.
   
5. In a way I agree. However, that does not stop the debunking process, which is good because these 'nuts' have more than a few supporters and many more silent ones (like my friend) so it only takes a spark to start a fire, as the saying goes.
   Obviously we are many years down the track but you will appreciate that other things have happened which unfortunately add to the fire as it were. People start to connect dots, lose that 'faith' in the democratic leadership and as I said, this isn't just going to go away.
   It could just as easily be surmised that government etc don;t care because they are in positions of immunity, and one thing on top of the other just compounds the vast task of keeping track and performing intense non biased investigation. Some would and do argue that this is all part and parcel of distraction.
   
   
6. The point you raise here is valid. In regard to 9/11 and subsequent events which are part of the CTers ongoing portfolio, semen stains are of no particular interest. This is far, far bigger than that.
   In regard to whistle-blowers, leaks and spies in as much as the secrets are revealed it is not the keepers of those secrets who are being punished, but the whistle-blowers.
   
   Some would argue then, that it is already too late to do much about these events or any more events to come which may well have been orchestrated, because those who may be involved are beyond reach of those whom they rule over.
   The voting majority simply yawn, shrug, cannot comprehend or ignore, maybe from fear, maybe because they are content, or patriotic or confused Who knows?
   
   Its a sad crazy world.
   
   
7. Too be sure I will be. My opinion right now (and for some time) has been that for every piece of data, there is an opposing piece of data so if 'the truth is out there' it is beyond the reach of most and the internet is of no value as a tool for getting to that truth.
   
   Nonetheless, while I am interested, I will continue to look into things, and remain a believer of neither 'side'.
   
   Cheers.

 

[Reactor drone]

That aside, the first image:
[qimg]http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/585/en25.jpg[/qimg]
clearly shows a difference of lenghts in the underbelly markings which doesn't help. In example 2:
[qimg]http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2651/6ci7.jpg[/qimg]
The color pic is closer to the observer and does not convey that much similarity. To me they look like different models.
Again, this does not help.

That's because the first colour image is of a United 757. It's there merely to show that United's livery has light grey stripes on the belly.

The second image is from a different angle. Should be easy enough to work out that it's the same type of aircraft showing the same feature.

 

[Navigator]

My personal opinion is that belief in conspiracy theories is fine. If someone wants to waste their time and energy researching fictitious adversaries to inflate their own ego, fine, whatever. Once it crosses the line into "We need to bring X to justice for their crimes" with "X" being whatever assumed perpetrator they think is behind it, that is when they've gone too far. That's when you get people who think that they need to take justice into their own hands, and worse, convince others about the same.

They also have to be prepared for the social ramifications of being a conspiracy theorist. Some people (rightfully so) stay far away from such individuals, or treat them differently.

That says much. However I have to say that not all CTers are nuts or lack intelligence or are doing what they do simply to cause trouble.
I think some of them are genuine and want to get to the truth, are not trusting or satisfied with the official accounts and sincerely would like justice.

Unfortunately they have circumstantial evidence and while this satisfies them that something is drastically amiss they are stuck with no damning evidence and also lack of finance.
It fact the whole CT foundation is the belief that those in power actually have the power to cover their tracks quiet efficiently and what is left is circumstantial at best.

Perhaps if we lived in a world or system where everything was transparent and leadership was of a quality which simply couldn't be suspect, then there would be no CTers.
But that is not the case. Those attracted most to CT are those who feel most disadvantaged by the systems in place.

These just happen to make up a large number of potential believers, since the larger portion of population are those who are less...'fortunate' but also of course less powerful. Many no longer even believe their is any point in voting.

That is quite sad, you might agree, but what the hey.

 

[Navigator]

1. That's because the first colour image is of a United 757. It's there merely to show that United's livery has light grey stripes on the belly.
   
2. The second image is from a different angle. Should be easy enough to work out that it's the same type of aircraft showing the same feature.

1. Well along with the music in the debunking video, such omission of data does not help.
2. If debunking is a serious thing, assuming every individual will see it that way will not help.
   I thought along those lines myself when viewing the video these images came from, but had to conclude that the picture could have been zoomed out from in order that the comparison was unmistakable.
   The other thing about this is that since the color pic is closer, the circled examples show clearly that the object in the B&W pic is bigger than the one in the closer color pic, which is a 'fail' and doesn't help.
   
   

 

[beachnut]

One thing of many things I wonder about is where the Jet fighters were while these aircraft were heading towards the towers.

DEBUNKED - do research, not google woo

Jet fighters do not shoot down airliners over the USA before 911.
This is a result of your ignorance of the the military mission before 911, and why our skies are civilian, the military was not police of the skies - civil police are the police.

Military would follow, or watch hijacked aircraft; would take an hour or so to set up normally. On 911 things happened faster because the FAA and military stood up - not down. you have googled yourself into woo

I also wonder how a bunch of terrorists were so able to achieve these things given the ability of America to counter such tactics with superior technology.

They rushed the cockpit and killed the pilots in place - that is an easy answer, so simple 911 truth can't figure out given 12 years.
What superior technology is there to keep people from cutting throats?
The 19 terrorists did not do anything special, they were simple murderers who hate people like us.
kill pilots
fly aircraft into buildings
Simple skills
No superior technology can stop nuts from killing. What is your point?

I cant say one way or another that what is in the video is simply 'one big lie' -

Simple research exposes the video as a fraud, nonsense, and idiotic fantasies. It only fools a few who can't do simple research.

For example, in the video it says that the families of the victims had a bit of a battle to get the government to investigate and answer some of the anomalies.

There are no anomalies, only ignorance. All of the families?

Also, what was that white aircraft filmed in the vicinity doing?

Flying. Another silly not an anomaly claim; did it fool you? this is DEBUNKED - look it up.

And what were those cylinders seen under the fuselage of the domestic jets?

lol, there are no cylinders, there is light and low resolution video.
Each jet was tracked by RADAR from multiple sites and each was tracked from takeoff to impact. Making the planes stock. Pilots do preflights which included an inspection of the entire aircraft - no cylinders, just lies dumbed down for the CT minded.
This is one of the dumbest claims made...

(did those jets even have markings?)

Each jet tracked from takeoff to impact - all were stock airliners, with real people on board. 911 truth lies. You can download the RADAR data, but you seem to busy falling for lies.

Still, it is most obvious this stuff isn't just going to 'go away' any time soon.

It never existed; 911 truth claims are fantasy, as dumb as Bigfoot.

I wonder at some of the obvious personal claims against 'the players' (Such as Bush and the then Mayor of NYC) being accused of complicity to murder and fraud. Are the ones being accused doing anything about it?

??? -

I understand the nature of the world we live in, that very rich people can and do get away with stuff that ordinary folk are punished for.

Really? BS.

Sometimes money itself is all that is required to keep the secrets secret.

Maybe you could lie about murder for money, not me. Making a statement like this only shows you might drop your moral for money.

That at least is plausible. I would like to think that the Alphas in power are above reproach and genuinely folk of integrity and exceptionally trustworthy but alas, to do so would be more a case of my being naive than realistic.

19 terrorists did 911, has nothing to do with Alphas in power.

So all we can do is look at the data, and like I say, I am not a believer either way.

So far you are full blown 911 truth believer, unable to figure out you brought lies.
Can't believe you are posting the photos of 175. Debunked long ago, and any kid could do it.

The aircraft impact of 175 was equal in energy to 2000 pounds of TNT - a large kinetic energy weapon; no need for BS fantasy of junk on the plane, a stock plane which was 175, with real people murdered at impact; people you mock by doing shallow or no research.

19 terrorists did 911 - Flight 93 Passengers figured out 911 in minutes, you are undecided after 12 years. When will you figure out 911?

 

[cjnewson88]

Navigator, the images which Ryan provides in his video cannot be 100% correlated because we can only make do with what material is available.

In the first comparison, the belly livery shows a difference because the 757 Ryan used to comparison is the new United-Continental livery. The old livery is along the same lines. But it comes down to availability of material. There may not be an undershot of a UA767 in the old UA livery, so Ryan had to make do with what he had. I could not find one either, so I had to fire up the Flight Sim - Here.

As for the next image, it's not from United airlines, or a 767. But all airliners have these protrusions for the landing gear assemblies. Again, availability of material means that no UA767 photo was available in that exact position, so Ryan had to use a comparison.

Bare in mind that, unlike the other 3 hijacked aircraft, UA175 never turned off its transponder. It only changed the code it was transmitting. It was tracked on radar by multiple air traffic controllers all the way in. It was also spotted by a couple of aircraft and identified as a United Airlines 767.

You can listen to the recordings here.



and here;