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What if we had $50 million for a new investigation?

Jetblast said:
I made a post saying the money should be directed towards investigating the suppression of FBI agent Coleen Rowley via stand down orders. Someone complained it was off-topic, reported it and it was removed. I protest this. I think the post was entirely on-topic and answered the question in the original post. The question was "How should I spend it?" I gave a perfectly on-topic reasonable answer to that question that was unfairly removed in my opinion.

Furthermore, investigation of the allegations in Peter Lance's book 'Cover-Up' where FBI had pre-knowledge of Khalid Sheik Mohammed planning attacks using airliners should also be thoroughly scrutinized in relation to 9-11.

I believe the real evidence is more clearly seen in the circumstantial evidence surrounding the handling of the Al Qaeda suicide pilots. The operation was similar to Operation Northwoods, a documented and established government conspiracy, as precedent.
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If you were a group of well financed terrorists who wanted kick sand in the face of the great satan... what would you do? Wouldn't a multiple plane hijacking using the planes as missiles be a rather easy one to pull off.. element of surprise... low tech and so forth?

Just because the concept of a false flag exists AND there have been false flags used many times in history to get a war going... does not mean that EVERY attack or insurgency is a false flag event.

You're imagination is flogging your thinking here. It might be but it doesn't look like it was. Yes it is possible that hawks inside the NSS getting wind of the intent to attack would welcome them because it would be the excuse then to attack back and they ALWAYS need provocation. Imperialism is a constant provocation to the colonies. They know it an expect it and try to rule with an iron first to intimidate the empire's serfs. History shows that sooner or later the serfs strike back and rebel... you can bank on it.
 
Robrob said:
2) Your citing of Northwoods tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Please feel free to elaborate.
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CT's citing Operation Northwoods as proof the government does false flags or worse, proving it is direct evidence other, non-related false flags always makes me laugh.

Operation Northwoods was REJECTED and rejected rather quickly and easily. If anything all Northwoods proves is that given the option of a false flag the government will say no way!
 
I've asked a number of truthers how they would structure a new investigation. Those that don't run away say that you can't have any American engineers doing the investigation because government engineers wouldn't be credible, while university engineering professors are compromised by the fact that universities get government grants, and engineers working for private firms are compromised because the firms get government contracts.

So the engineers either have to be unemployed (heh!) or retired or from another country. OK, so the new investigation is conducted by retired US engineers and foreign engineers. Fine. But that actually won't satisfy the truthers either. When the new investigation finds no evidence of CD, the truthers will of course claim this new group of engineers was "gotten to" with CIA threats, payoffs, etc. Or they'll claim the data and evidence provided to the investigators was fraudulent.

threadworm said:
There is no witness that hasn't been tampered with, unless they say something truthers like.

There is no video that hasn't been faked, unless it proves some truther point,

There is no scientist that isn't compromised, unless their work validates a truther claim.
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I'm afraid that's correct.

In the distorted view of truthers, endlessly everything was fake. The hijackers were fake and the passenger phone calls were fake and the plane debris at the Pentagon & Shanksville was fake and the FDRs were fake and the flight paths were fake and Pentagon eyewitnesses were fake and the forensic analyses were fake and all FEMA, NIST and university analyses were fake and the Bin Laden video was fake and everything was fake. Sure. Makes perfect sense.

Richard Gage has supposedly raised $250 million for his new PR campaign. He could use a portion of that to fund some new, independent dust studies or an analysis of how the official story allegedly "violates the Laws of Physics" (LOL) but paying for propaganda is more important to him than science.
 
Poetry Hound said:
I've asked a number of truthers how they would structure a new investigation. Those that don't run away say that you can't have any American engineers doing the investigation because government engineers wouldn't be credible, while university engineering professors are compromised by the fact that universities get government grants, and engineers working for private firms are compromised because the firms get government contracts.

So the engineers either have to be unemployed (heh!) or retired or from another country. OK, so the new investigation is conducted by retired US engineers and foreign engineers. Fine. But that actually won't satisfy the truthers either. When the new investigation finds no evidence of CD, the truthers will of course claim this new group of engineers was "gotten to" with CIA threats, payoffs, etc. Or they'll claim the data and evidence provided to the investigators was fraudulent.



I'm afraid that's correct.

In the distorted view of truthers, endlessly everything was fake. The hijackers were fake and the passenger phone calls were fake and the plane debris at the Pentagon & Shanksville was fake and the FDRs were fake and the flight paths were fake and Pentagon eyewitnesses were fake and the forensic analyses were fake and all FEMA, NIST and university analyses were fake and the Bin Laden video was fake and everything was fake. Sure. Makes perfect sense.

Richard Gage has supposedly raised $250 million for his new PR campaign. He could use a portion of that to fund some new, independent dust studies or an analysis of how the official story allegedly "violates the Laws of Physics" (LOL) but paying for propaganda is more important to him than science.
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As far as the "gotten to with threats", I'm not seeing a lot of that with Snowden's family. Same with Pat Tilman's family.
 
Robrob said:
So you're of the LIHOP persuasion rather than the MIHOP crowd?
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If you're smart there's a point where there's no difference.



Robrob said:
1) It's a CT meme, if they can't prove something by facts and evidence - point to imagined "flaws" with the investigation as evidence of the (unproven) cover-up.
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Way too general to hold any credible water. In a debate look at people who move from direct accusations to general. Coleen Rowley was stood-down in my opinion.



Robrob said:
2) Your citing of Northwoods tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Please feel free to elaborate.
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It should be fairly easy to understand. Northwoods was an open plan to fake a foreign attack in order to justify an invasion (just like 9-11).
 
Mark F said:
Operation Northwoods was REJECTED and rejected rather quickly and easily. If anything all Northwoods proves is that given the option of a false flag the government will say no way!
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And the Gulf Of Tonkin after they killed JFK?
 
JSanderO said:
If you were a group of well financed terrorists who wanted kick sand in the face of the great satan... what would you do? Wouldn't a multiple plane hijacking using the planes as missiles be a rather easy one to pull off.. element of surprise... low tech and so forth?

Just because the concept of a false flag exists AND there have been false flags used many times in history to get a war going... does not mean that EVERY attack or insurgency is a false flag event.

You're imagination is flogging your thinking here. It might be but it doesn't look like it was. Yes it is possible that hawks inside the NSS getting wind of the intent to attack would welcome them because it would be the excuse then to attack back and they ALWAYS need provocation. Imperialism is a constant provocation to the colonies. They know it an expect it and try to rule with an iron first to intimidate the empire's serfs. History shows that sooner or later the serfs strike back and rebel... you can bank on it.
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You sound like you're saying two things Sandero.

There's too many signs of covert involvement like how they got their visas and Coleen Rowley being prevented from looking in to Moussaoui.

Answer me why FBI, one of the most sophisticated state police agencies in the world, couldn't figure out to call the other 11 Flight simulator training facilities in America to see if they had any other trainees fitting the profile of Moussaoui?

They had Bush jr in office and were going to take maximum advantage of it and did.

Read Lance's book 'Cover-Up' and tell me they didn't see another Bojinka happening when they captured Moussaoui.
 
Jetblast said:
Answer me why FBI, one of the most sophisticated state police agencies in the world, couldn't figure out to call the other 11 Flight simulator training facilities in America to see if they had any other trainees fitting the profile of Moussaoui?
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What profile?
 
So. Jetblast. Who's going to do the investigation and how?

Have you seen the movie, "up"? I think of you when I hear the word, squirrel. :rolleyes:
 
Jetblast said:
You sound like you're saying two things Sandero.

There's too many signs of covert involvement like how they got their visas and Coleen Rowley being prevented from looking in to Moussaoui.

Answer me why FBI, one of the most sophisticated state police agencies in the world, couldn't figure out to call the other 11 Flight simulator training facilities in America to see if they had any other trainees fitting the profile of Moussaoui?

They had Bush jr in office and were going to take maximum advantage of it and did.

Read Lance's book 'Cover-Up' and tell me they didn't see another Bojinka happening when they captured Moussaoui.
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So you want to spend 50 million to make up a report of fantasy based on political bias and silly claims?>

There are hundreds of flight training facilities in the USA, you only got 11? Better spend part of the 50 million on learning what are facts and what is woo.
 
Travis said:
What does the Gulf Of Tonkin have to do with Northwoods?
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What does Gulf of Tonkin have to do with the assassination of JFK?

No, shelve that as OT.

So Travis, its your hypothetical millions. Do LIHOPers get the same consideration as those who believe in fantastical mechanisms of death and destruction such as proposed by AE911T?
 
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