New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

Jetblast said:
The metals documented by FBI in their over 30 page report on the pellets were consistent with metals used in US warhead incendiary devices. It is far from unsubstantiated. The Long Island Coroner witnessed them and FBI tested and documented them. FBI illegally failed to return them to the Medical Examiner's jurisdiction.
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No they're not. As some checking on missile warheads would show.

Jetblast said:
You don't seem to understand how forensics work. We've documented the pellets, you've failed to account for them. This was all clearly spelled-out in Sephton vs FBI.
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I'm curious, have you ever testified as an expert witness? I have.

Jetblast said:
If VietNam fighter pilot Commander Donaldson was murdered using a fast-acting brain cancer because he tried to defend democracy against government traitors what would that make your efforts to attack him?
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:rolleyes:

Jetblast said:
Government said all three failed. (In other words they were there). You failed to answer the point how gov could say they failed yet then admitted one identified Navy assets.
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You've failed to supply and evidence that this statement originates anywhere other than the fetid imagination of conspiracy nuts.
Not that you claim in any way affects the fact that only two KH-11 satellites were operational at the time of the unfortunate loss of TWA 800 and neither of them had line of sight to the crash location.
If you were actually interested you could verify this yourself.


Jetblast said:
The three witnesses had no reason to lie.
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But their statements contradict reality and so can be ignored.

Jetblast said:
You're not fooling anyone.
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Why would I try?

Jetblast said:
We could ask Wire, and the Angelides' if they felt violent shaking. They were there. You weren't. (How could you "mistake" violent shaking?)
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But simple physics shows that the only way an explosion could have caused the claimed effects is if it was of ~5E13 Joules. Which didn't happen.

Jetblast said:
Your input is self-destructively invalid. I'd like to take you before a jury.
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:rolleyes::D I've given evidence before juries. And served on one.

Jetblast said:
Saying "infallible" over and over is not a credible response to the classic ordnance flash Mr Meyer witnessed. He was there and credible. You - well...
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Your infallible witness has been proved to be wrong.
 
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JayUtah said:
Citation still needed.

That's not how the Keyhole system works. In other words, your undocumented claim is bogus.
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Yeah I think JB or some other CT nut (perhaps that idiotic fraud Cashill) made up the claim and didn't expect anyone to call them on the lie.
 
Jetblast said:
Beachnut,


If VietNam fighter pilot Commander Donaldson was murdered using a fast-acting brain cancer because he tried to defend democracy against government traitors what would that make your efforts to attack him?
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Argument by fantasy?
 
Robrob said:
Argument by fantasy?
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I think its called........ 'makeitupandactlikeitsrealogy'

JB if you wait long enough EVERY SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT WILL DIE.....how about that damning evidence? lol
 
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Jetblast said:
The three witnesses had no reason to lie.
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Where have we heard that before? Ah yes, we heard it when Irvine said the exact same thing about Beers' story about being aboard the Trepang, which Irvine had to later admit that Beers had lied.
 
Jetblast said:
Your link shows no page 49.


I had a relative who was shopping for real estate in Connecticut after Flight 800's crash. The woman real estate agent told them she had seen something rise and hit Flight 800 from her shore-side Connecticut home. My relative naively urged her to report it. The real estate agent said she didn't want to get involved. Her home had to be at least 40 miles from Flight 800.

By your own words, anything at 13,000 feet only 10 miles offshore would stand-out like a ballerina at a rodeo.
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Close. I said a bikers' rally. People 70 miles away saw the accident. No one is disputing people saw TWA 800, only the details permitted by the laws of optics and atmospheric scattering.

But thanks for finally admitting it would be impossible for a big US Navy warship to go undetected while so close to shore, passing within 2 miles of several boats, and by Meyers in his HH-60 when he arrived at the scene.
 
Jetblast said:
The metals documented by FBI in their over 30 page report on the pellets were consistent with metals used in US warhead incendiary devices.
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Show me any anti-aircraft missile warhead that is made of "mostly of aluminum with traces of titanium, zirconium, cerium and barium".
 
It's time for another round of Phantasy Physics. Draw a straight line from the missile to each passenger without touching the green fuselage.

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Again with the 'violent shaking' from an AA missile 10 miles away.

Here is a picture of a Missile Magazine on HMS Antelope exploding.
That is all her AA missiles and their fuel going bang.
I was 3 miles away when that happened. I never felt any violent shaking. Granted I was down below at my action station and never witnessed it but the ship never even stirred.
I have been within a few miles of all kinds of ordnance exploding in exercise and war and never felt violent shaking.
I know it's repeating it but I never felt anything much from an AA missile.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Again with the 'violent shaking' from an AA missile 10 miles away.

Here is a picture of a Missile Magazine on HMS Antelope exploding.
That is all her AA missiles and their fuel going bang.
I was 3 miles away when that happened. I never felt any violent shaking. Granted I was down below at my action station and never witnessed it but the ship never even stirred.
I have been within a few miles of all kinds of ordnance exploding in exercise and war and never felt violent shaking.
I know it's repeating it but I never felt anything much from an AA missile.
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That's because neither you nor your ship had the magic resonance from the magic shockwave frequency. :rolleyes:
 
carlitos said:
Hey, she was there and you weren't. I dare you to confront her and call her a liar.

:covereyes
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Wait, she was 17 miles away, why can't she see the windows; she saw a rocket or UFO, or something hit 800. Can you see a missile from 17 miles away?

I would never call a witness a liar; we take the statements. We analyze the data.
http://twa800.com/witnesscd/AppendixC.pdf page 49, which does not exist for 800 missile believers...

She heard a loud "boom" about a full second after she saw the plane break apart. The new speed of sound is 17 miles a second, a long drawn out second, or was it a ... minute?
 
beachnut said:
I would never call a witness a liar; we take the statements. We analyze the data.
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As dispassionately as possible, I might add. The UFO nuts, 9/11 twoofers, TWA 800 missile fans, and all the other fringe theorists who rely heavily on outlying eyewitness testimony are the ones who are desperate to interject passion into the argument. In their minds, finding that a witnesses statement is not reliable is tantamount to wrecking his credit, setting fire to his car, and kicking his dog. In the real world, in forensic investigation, it has no more emotional value than finding the DFDR memory module is unreadable. Real investigators don't need to "call a witness" anything, or imply that others are.

http://twa800.com/witnesscd/AppendixC.pdf page 49, which does not exist for 800 missile believers...
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Ask a laywer about how well an FD-302 would stand up in court these days.

She heard a loud "boom" about a full second after she saw the plane break apart. The new speed of sound is 17 miles a second, a long drawn out second, or was it a ... minute?[/QUOTE]
 
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JayUtah said:
As dispassionately as possible, I might add. The UFO nuts, 9/11 twoofers, TWA 800 missile fans, and all the other fringe theorists who rely heavily on outlying eyewitness testimony are the ones who are desperate to interject passion into the argument. In their minds, finding that a witnesses statement is not reliable is tantamount to wrecking his credit, setting fire to his car, and kicking his dog. In the real world, in forensic investigation, it has no more emotional value than finding the DFDR memory module is unreadable. Real investigators don't need to "call a witness" anything, or imply that others are.
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Eyewitness testimony is never as clear cut as movies and TV would have it.

I work in law enforcement. I was once in a shooting while approaching a residence to conduct a search warrant. Long story short, during the encounter - the officer next to me fired his pistol from maybe 3' to my side and I did not even realize it.
 
matt.tansy said:
Show me any anti-aircraft missile warhead that is made of "mostly of aluminum with traces of titanium, zirconium, cerium and barium".
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Those metals are not contained in Boeing 747 construction. So therefore you haven't accounted for them. Nor has the government.


Do you understand that you lose this debate on this one point alone? By the way, like most of what you post, if we traced this you would find those were metals used in US missile warhead incendiary devices. Sephton is not an idiot prone to statements that would blow up on him. He was an MIT professor.



The shaking proved a missile. The arguments used to doubt it wouldn't pass a jury's scrutiny.



Go to "bjnboy"'s You-Tube video showing the government version. He ignores the radar data showing no loss in airspeed and enters the zoom climb. He then blocks anybody who counters his propaganda and links this site as reference.
 
matt.tansy said:
But thanks for finally admitting it would be impossible for a big US Navy warship to go undetected while so close to shore, passing within 2 miles of several boats, and by Meyers in his HH-60 when he arrived at the scene.
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You still haven't explained what the radar picked-up. Or was it also a hallucinating unreliable witness?
 
Jetblast said:
Those metals are not contained in Boeing 747 construction. So therefore you haven't accounted for them. Nor has the government.


Do you understand that you lose this debate on this one point alone? By the way, like most of what you post, if we traced this you would find those were metals used in US missile warhead incendiary devices. Sephton is not an idiot prone to statements that would blow up on him. He was an MIT professor.



The shaking proved a missile. The arguments used to doubt it wouldn't pass a jury's scrutiny.



Go to "bjnboy"'s You-Tube video showing the government version. He ignores the radar data showing no loss in airspeed and enters the zoom climb. He then blocks anybody who counters his propaganda and links this site as reference.
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A 747 doesn't have aluminum?

As for the bridge: I grew up in the Chicago area. Stand on any of Bascul bridges over the Chicago river when a bus crosses - the Michigan Avenue bridge is a good one - and let me know about the shaking. Isn't it just possible there was traffic on the bridge in question?

Yes, metaphorically, the radar was hallucinating. More to the point, there were uncorrelated targets.

Look, when I first heard of this tragedy, like Kallstrom I was convinced that it was a missile attack or a bomb. The facts have proven that wrong. You may not like that, as a grand conspiracy is more sexy, but, sorry, life just ain't like that.
 
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