New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

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Done...

http://www.accessnewage.com/articles/astro/TChPlane.htm

Those pesky angels...

 

[Hans]

Those pesky angels...

How can one argue with evidence like this!

Note that 88 appears as a number also with the July 6 plane incident; the plane was an MD-88. Also, it is interesting to note that Revelation was originally written in Greek-- and Flight 800 had just come from Greece

 

[matt.tansy]

Here is a screencap from Stellarium showing what the pilots would have seen if it were dark. Gamma Pegasi was directly in front of the aircraft.

Gamma Pegasi is also known as Algenib, Greek for "the flank" or "side". Where did the missile hit TWA 800, boys and girls? That's right. In the side! We're down the rabbit hole, people!

http://i.imgur.com/TWmAeOD.png

 

[Robrob]

You know, aircraft have red hot exteriors from air friction, which is why lavatory ice chunks sometimes form from leaks.

Um, what?

 

[carlitos]

Um, what?

No, he's totally right here. I took a flight today and the whole plane was glowing red.

 

[fess]

If we ignore the silly responses the 32 degree outside temperature on Flight 800 at 13,000 feet would have condensed any alleged fuel vapors inside the center fuel tank. You know, aircraft have red hot exteriors from air friction, which is why lavatory ice chunks sometimes form from leaks.

Did you get this information from one of your aviation experts? If so, find a different expert, because this one knows less than you.

 

[catsmate]

<snip> it is very compelling evidence for the existence of the Missile Fairy.

Obviously the evil twin sister of the Invisible Pink Unicorn

The missile fairy had happier times when she was housed in a Mk10 launcher mag. Now she's all cooped up in vertical box launchers.

And what about her little sister, ESSM, crammed four in a box.

To get all that in I do think we'll have to invoke the CT favourite fall backs - to create such a embracing theory we'll need a dead alien, a rogue cell of the NWO, a bald thespian Sasquatch, a recipe (in Farsi) for sweet and sour rutabaga and the skull of Phillip III of Macedonia.

Not to forget the Atlantean vase and a splinter from the true cross.

Wait a minute ------ there was not flight TWA 800, we need to reference the work of the no-planers too

It was all a fake, everything, even the reconstruction, no one died at all, all false.

I think you have Dan Brown's next book there.

 

[Jetblast]

The fuel tank was heated by the air conditioning unit for the plane (bad design IMO), so your claim that it couldn't have been hot due to the outside temperature is not too different from claiming you can't boil water on your stove because it's cold outside.

As Donaldson showed Jet-A is scientifically designed so it is hard to ignite in situations other than intended combustion in jet engines. The phony test done in the Arizona desert where they tried to explode a 747 tank failed at voltages much higher than those proposed for Flight 800. That test ended-up using propane heaters for assistance. The 32 degree external temperature at 13,000 feet would have tipped the scales far in the direction of impossibility.

Just a layman's guess, but they probably didn't find the insulation damage on the fuel tank wiring because the susequent jet fuel fire completely incinerated the insulation. That's probably obvious to everyone but you.

Depends on the point of short circuit. If you knew more about this there were plenty of places with little or no burning. The burning fireball seen with Flight 800 was mostly from the wing tanks far from the wiring. The reason the official investigation didn't use that is because they knew they couldn't get away with it.

 

[Jetblast]

Irvine asked about "three vessels", not "three radar tracks". There were more than three radar tracks: http://twa800.com/images/radar_boats.pdf

You are clearly not honestly answering the point. You tried to say the context was a 200 mile range. Your own link shows they were literally right underneath Flight 800.



You enter mish mash because you are trying to dodge the unavoidable conclusion. Kallstrom said the three tracks right beneath Flight 800 were Naval vessels.

 

[Jetblast]

Fred Meyer, highly qualified?


Oops, Fred Meyer is not highly qualified, he highly paranoid and makes up stuff.

Bill Donaldson died of a brain tumor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Donaldson

Your web pages of woo are based on paranoid conspracy theorists who have no evidence. http://www.twa800.com/index.htm

Beachnut,


If VietNam fighter pilot Commander Donaldson was murdered using a fast-acting brain cancer because he tried to defend democracy against government traitors what would that make your efforts to attack him?

 

[Jetblast]

There is the, of course, unsubstantiated claim that the FBI retrieved "pellets" from the bodies and a medical examiner identified the pellets as being composed of aluminum and other metal alloys.

There are only a few minor problems with that claim: if the FBI retrieved the pellets then the ME could not have analyzed them. The pellets went straight into the bodies without touching the fuselage or any of the surrounding seats, deck, or overhead bins. Anti-aircraft warheads don't use pellets. Anti-aircraft warheads don't use casings made out of aluminum. They're titanium or steel alloys.

Other than huge holes in the claim, breaking the laws of physics, and being inconsistent with every known warhead design, it is very compelling evidence for the existence of the Missile Fairy.

The metals documented by FBI in their over 30 page report on the pellets were consistent with metals used in US warhead incendiary devices. It is far from unsubstantiated. The Long Island Coroner witnessed them and FBI tested and documented them. FBI illegally failed to return them to the Medical Examiner's jurisdiction.

You don't seem to understand how forensics work. We've documented the pellets, you've failed to account for them. This was all clearly spelled-out in Sephton vs FBI.

You've failed to credibly answer to it. You have to explain where those metals not used in Boeing construction came from?

 

[Jetblast]

The woman who claimed to see a Spruance-class destroyer close to shore also saw TWA 800 go down. Her interview by the FBI can be found on page 49 here: http://twa800.com/witnesscd/AppendixC.pdf

Keep in mind she was 18 statute miles from TWA 800 at the time.

Your link shows no page 49.


I had a relative who was shopping for real estate in Connecticut after Flight 800's crash. The woman real estate agent told them she had seen something rise and hit Flight 800 from her shore-side Connecticut home. My relative naively urged her to report it. The real estate agent said she didn't want to get involved. Her home had to be at least 40 miles from Flight 800.

By your own words, anything at 13,000 feet only 10 miles offshore would stand-out like a ballerina at a rodeo.

 

[carlitos]

Beachnut,


If VietNam fighter pilot Commander Donaldson was murdered using a fast-acting brain cancer because he tried to defend democracy against government traitors what would that make your efforts to attack him?

If US Senator Ted Kennedy was murdered by an invisible poison unicorn horn because he sang Guadalajara, what would that make non-sequiturs?

 

[carlitos]

Your link shows no page 49.

It's on the 49th page of the PDF.

 

[Jetblast]

It didn't. You are, as usual, wrong. Neither of the KH-11 satellites operational at the time of the crash were overhead.

Government said all three failed. (In other words they were there). You failed to answer the point how gov could say they failed yet then admitted one identified Navy assets.

Irrelevant. The size of explosion necessary to cause the effect you claim happened would have destroyed the P-3 in the area and causes other effects.
Ergo it didn't happen.

The three witnesses had no reason to lie. You're not fooling anyone. We could ask Wire, and the Angelides' if they felt violent shaking. They were there. You weren't. (How could you "mistake" violent shaking?) Your input is self-destructively invalid. I'd like to take you before a jury.

That's be the "infallible" Mr. Meyer.

Saying "infallible" over and over is not a credible response to the classic ordnance flash Mr Meyer witnessed. He was there and credible. You - well...

 

[JayUtah]

The 32 degree external temperature at 13,000 feet would have tipped the scales far in the direction of impossibility.

And if you had actually done the science I asked for, you could say this. But you didn't, so you can't.

Depends on the point of short circuit. If you knew more about this there were plenty of places with little or no burning. The burning fireball seen with Flight 800 was mostly from the wing tanks far from the wiring.

Authoritatively says the person with absolutely no training in science, forensics, engineering, and who makes basic errors in relevant elementary concepts.

Your layman's misconceptions for how deflagrations may progress is not a sufficient basis from which to judge the validity of some hypothesis.

The reason the official investigation didn't use that is because they knew they couldn't get away with it.

Oh, and you know for a fact that this is the reason?

 

[JayUtah]

Government said all three failed.

Citation still needed.

(In other words they were there).

That's not how the Keyhole system works. In other words, your undocumented claim is bogus.

You failed to answer the point how gov could say they failed yet then admitted one identified Navy assets.

Subversion of support. You failed to show that the statement you needed an explanation for was anything other than your made-up nonsense. Hence no obligation arises to explain it until it's actually a thing.

The three witnesses had no reason to lie.

Irrelevant. Your interpretation of and extrapolation from their claims are not credible for the reasons given.

We could ask Wire, and the Angelides' if they felt violent shaking.

Begging the question. And now, according to you, the shaking was "violent," although none of the accounts uses that word. This is why we don't accept hearsay evidence, which is all you have. You are taking liberties with what the reporters have said. What has prevented the reporters also from taking liberties with what the witnesses themselves said?

They were there. You weren't.

Neither were you. Yet here you are authoritatively telling us what they must have heard and felt. How is your interpretation automatically so much more credible than mine?

How could you "mistake" violent shaking?

"Violent" is your addition. And how could someone "mistake" shaking? As already explained, by not being especially aware of what exactly was shaking -- the structures or the witnesses' bodies affected directly. You simply sweep that possibility under the carpet because your line of reasoning demands otherwise.

I'd like to take you before a jury.

Bring it on. I'd love to see your face when your hearsay evidence is ruled inadmissible.

[Meyer] was there and credible. You - well...

You as well. You keep trying to insinuate that you alone are the only suitable interpreter of the statements made by people you don't know and have merely heard about. I am able to draw my own conclusions regarding how probative the witness is. And no, Meyer is not credible for the reasons given. You are unable to address those reasons, so you have failed to rehabilitate the witness.

 

[JayUtah]

You don't seem to understand how forensics work.

Bwahahaha!

And why is it that despite numerous requests for you to do so, you have failed to answer where exactly you received training and experience in forensic science or engineering? You do realize that some of us do that sort of thing professionally, don't you?

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut,


If VietNam fighter pilot Commander Donaldson was murdered using a fast-acting brain cancer because he tried to defend democracy against government traitors what would that make your efforts to attack him?

Fred, or Bill? Donaldson has no evidence, and it is Fred Meyer who did not see anything, he was in the wrong place; plus Fred is paranoid conspiracy nut spreading a lie he has evidence Bill was murdered.

It is more likely his brain tumor made his reasoning fail, left him confused, unable to think. It is sad you take failed claims and run ahead armed with nonsense, no evidence.

I have been privy to others conducting investigations whom I shall not name since I suspect that Bill Donaldson was murdered. (Fred Meyer)

Too much woo in Fred Meyer, he claims he has evidence Bill was murdered, but he is spreading a lie. Fighter Pilot makes him qualified for what?

The topic of this thread is a movie done to milk money from people too lazy to think for themselves by spreading unfounded claims about 800.

You have failed to bring your AOA study.
You have failed to refute the fuel tank study which has the fuel at the temperature and pressure required to explode.
You have failed to source or prove any of your claims.

Fred Meyer and Bill have shown by their claims they are not rational on this topic.

LOL, now you propose a fast acting cancer was murder. No wonder you have accepted idiotic nonsense on faith.

You never read the NTSB report. Why?

 

[Hans]

You don't seem to understand how forensics work.

Truly one of the funniest things I've seen a CT say when they clearly have no idea what forensics is. Of course the purpose was to throw a barb at a qualified person - which is the real reasons for 'his' trolling on this subject.

...but funny nonetheless