LDS

[RandFan]

When someone says, "Don't touch the stove or you'll get burned", that's a warning. When someone says, "Love me and praise me at all times or I'll destroy you", that's a threat.

When someone says, "Love me and praise me at all times or I'll torture you for eternity", that's a sadistic psychopath with an inferiority complex. Which makes one wonder about the people who dreamed up this stuff...

God, we are told, can do anything... well, not anything, he can't implement a rational punishment system that punishes finite crimes with finite punishment. See it's like this, mortals are not allowed to do what god does. God can drown children and still be perfect. If humans drown children they are imperfect. God can lie and still be perfect. If humans lie they are imperfect. God can order humans to commit genocide (kill men, women, children and still be perfect. If people do that on their own they are imperfect... then again....

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

How does that work? We are to be perfect like god but his perfection includes ¹infanticide ²deceit, ³revenge killing someone who was trying to protects god's arc, ⁴genocide, ⁵condoning the ownership of another human being, ⁶conspiracy to commit theft,

1. See: God Drowns Babies.
2. See: Does God Lie?
3. 2 Samuel 6:6-7 ⁶"When they came to the threshing floor of Nakon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. ⁷ The Lord’s anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down, and he died there beside the ark of God.
4. Numbers 31:17 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
5. See: Slavery in the Bible
6. See: Numbers 33:53

 

[Myriad]

Those who consider warnings as threats... such as lights flashing at a railway crossing... and choose to ignore them, are foolish indeed.

1 Verily verily I say to you: if the lights at a railway crossing doth flasheth without surcease, hour after hour, day after day, yea, even year upon year, and yet no train come down the track; what then of the warning? 2 Wouldst the Wise not sayeth, "Certainly the signal is broken, for it flasheth without surcease, and yet no train is come down the track, 3 nor diesel nor steam, nor passenger nor freight, nor from the left nor from the right, and lo, the weeds do groweth up under the rails?" 4 For flashing a light and making a great clamor is no great task, wherefore even a Fool or a Miniature Schnauzer can bark alarm day and night without cause. 5 Whilst actually knowing when and where a train doth pass requires competent knowledge, 6 or a signal that is in good repair, which flasheth not in vain with falsehood. 7 So likewise if thy words be like unto a broken signal which flasheth in vain with falsehood, so that thou ceaseth not to say 8 "tarry yet a while on this side; cross not the tracks, for the train doth ever come to smite thee," whether a train is come or not, 9 shut thou up, 10 because some people are trying to listen for the train for themselves.

 

[Dissolution]

If God's perfect and he wanted us to be perfect, then why aren't we perfect?

 

[tsig]

Those who consider warnings as threats... such as lights flashing at a railway crossing... and choose to ignore them, are foolish indeed.

Your god is a large hunk of metal unable to stop?

 

[tsig]

If God's perfect and he wanted us to be perfect, then why aren't we perfect?

"Free Will"

 

[Mister Earl]

Well done, Myriad. I enjoyed that.

 

[Dissolution]

"Free Will"

But if we were perfect, then wouldn't we make perfect decisions?

 

[Empress]

1 Verily verily I say to you: if the lights at a railway crossing doth flasheth without surcease, hour after hour, day after day, yea, even year upon year, and yet no train come down the track; what then of the warning? 2 Wouldst the Wise not sayeth, "Certainly the signal is broken, for it flasheth without surcease, and yet no train is come down the track, 3 nor diesel nor steam, nor passenger nor freight, nor from the left nor from the right, and lo, the weeds do groweth up under the rails?" 4 For flashing a light and making a great clamor is no great task, wherefore even a Fool or a Miniature Schnauzer can bark alarm day and night without cause. 5 Whilst actually knowing when and where a train doth pass requires competent knowledge, 6 or a signal that is in good repair, which flasheth not in vain with falsehood. 7 So likewise if thy words be like unto a broken signal which flasheth in vain with falsehood, so that thou ceaseth not to say 8 "tarry yet a while on this side; cross not the tracks, for the train doth ever come to smite thee," whether a train is come or not, 9 shut thou up, 10 because some people are trying to listen for the train for themselves.

I just nommed you for that, and discovered I was the fourth person to do so. Stupid housework, keeping me from prompt use of the nom button.

 

[dlorde]

How does that work? We are to be perfect like god but his perfection includes ¹infanticide ²deceit, ³revenge killing someone who was trying to protects god's arc, ⁴genocide, ⁵condoning the ownership of another human being, ⁶conspiracy to commit theft...

Ah well, you see, god is our moral compass and guide, because we are made in his image, and his image is of his nature, which is ultimate goodness, truth, and honesty. True to that honesty, his actions are always in accordance with his nature, so his actions are always good, which means infanticide, deceit, revenge killing, genocide, condoning the slavery, conspiracy to commit theft, etc., are good acts. So it is bad that our conscience bothers us when we do these things.

We must educate people so they feel good when they do god's work. Their conscience must be changed to feel only joy at infanticide, deceit, revenge killing, genocide, condoning slavery, conspiracy to commit theft, etc.

But wait... that just doesn't make sense - why would our god-given consciences contradict god? and why would he then also command us not to do these things?

So god can't be our moral compass and guide after all... and if that was a lie, and god's nature isn't ultimate goodness, truth, and honesty, and his acts are not always good, then it's all lies. So god is not good, and the scriptures lie...

It's more confusing & contradictory than quantum mechanics - catch phrase, "shut up and calculate"; how about "shut up and believe"?

 

[deaman]

They say the truth will set one free.

But, it seems the discovery, and disgarding, of delusion will do more for the cause of freedom, than seeking truth from that which is nothing but myth.

 

[Olowkow]

1 Verily verily I say to you: if the lights at a railway crossing doth flasheth without surcease, hour after hour, day after day, yea, even year upon year, and yet no train come down the track; what then of the warning? ....

I got a chuckle reading that hearing the voice of Michael Palin.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I just nommed you for that, and discovered I was the fourth person to do so. Stupid housework, keeping me from prompt use of the nom button.

Glad I read on a little, as I was about to hit the "nominate" button as well.

 

[abaddon]

But you cannot show me the train, when you can show me that the train exists outside of your imagination I may pay heed.

Train? There aren't even tracks.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Train? There aren't even tracks.

And no actual flashing light, just someone shining their own torch in our eyes.

 

[halleyscomet]

1 Verily verily I say to you: if the lights at a railway crossing doth flasheth without surcease, hour after hour, day after day, yea, even year upon year, and yet no train come down the track; what then of the warning? 2 Wouldst the Wise not sayeth, "Certainly the signal is broken, for it flasheth without surcease, and yet no train is come down the track, 3 nor diesel nor steam, nor passenger nor freight, nor from the left nor from the right, and lo, the weeds do groweth up under the rails?" 4 For flashing a light and making a great clamor is no great task, wherefore even a Fool or a Miniature Schnauzer can bark alarm day and night without cause. 5 Whilst actually knowing when and where a train doth pass requires competent knowledge, 6 or a signal that is in good repair, which flasheth not in vain with falsehood. 7 So likewise if thy words be like unto a broken signal which flasheth in vain with falsehood, so that thou ceaseth not to say 8 "tarry yet a while on this side; cross not the tracks, for the train doth ever come to smite thee," whether a train is come or not, 9 shut thou up, 10 because some people are trying to listen for the train for themselves.

Did you write that or is it a quote?

Either way it's epic. I'll nominate you once I'm at a computer instead if using my phone.

 

[Myriad]

Did you write that or is it a quote?

I transcribed it from ancient symbols I found inside my hat. There was a signature, which transcribed to "Holly Lu Ya," so I guess some Asian-American chick wrote it.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." - Mark Twain

 

[RandFan]

1 Verily verily I say to you: if the lights at a railway crossing doth flasheth without surcease, hour after hour, day after day, yea, even year upon year, and yet no train come down the track; what then of the warning? 2 Wouldst the Wise not sayeth, "Certainly the signal is broken, for it flasheth without surcease, and yet no train is come down the track, 3 nor diesel nor steam, nor passenger nor freight, nor from the left nor from the right, and lo, the weeds do groweth up under the rails?" 4 For flashing a light and making a great clamor is no great task, wherefore even a Fool or a Miniature Schnauzer can bark alarm day and night without cause. 5 Whilst actually knowing when and where a train doth pass requires competent knowledge, 6 or a signal that is in good repair, which flasheth not in vain with falsehood. 7 So likewise if thy words be like unto a broken signal which flasheth in vain with falsehood, so that thou ceaseth not to say 8 "tarry yet a while on this side; cross not the tracks, for the train doth ever come to smite thee," whether a train is come or not, 9 shut thou up, 10 because some people are trying to listen for the train for themselves.

I approve.

 

[kblood]

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." - Mark Twain

Real life stories can do that to a man...

 

[abaddon]

I transcribed it from ancient symbols I found inside my hat. There was a signature, which transcribed to "Holly Lu Ya," so I guess some Asian-American chick wrote it.

OK that's twice you have made me LOL. You are on a roll. Keep 'em coming.