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[laca]

A thorough investigation by the correct department/s.

If this turns out to be as genuine as I believe it to be, then everything they have told me is true, including that this is the age of experiences, and everyone is going to have them.

No, they could still be lying or just yanking your chain. Going by this thread, that's not even remotely hard.

 

[Cassidy]

This simply isn't true. Alderbank has clarified what actually happened, which you misinterpreted. Please stop repeating mistakes after they have been pointed out to you, it doesn't help your credibility.


He certainly has nothing to fear, but he does have something to lose - precious time, of which he may well feel he has already wasted enough. I wouldn't blame him for that reaction, but I hope he'll be willing and able to attend the meeting with the Reverend.

ETA: Please make sure the Reverend reads this thread before the meeting.

I also clarified what actually happened. I didn't have a supporting third party present at such short notice but I did try to get one. If you can recall, Alderbank did not mention the fresh recording we did together, and he also stated that he'd forgotten we did this. I don't have a witness to this recording, so no point in pointing it out I suppose.

I do not ask for Alderbanks precious time. I do not require his time, but I have accepted his apology for his blind accusation (easy mistake) and he is seriously welcome to observe the meeting with the Rev'd's.

PS, my credibility doesn't matter.

 

[Pixel42]

Please specify which department/s would be correct.

I'm guessing the church.

If flaccon is serious about going to the press that would certainly explain why a priest has finally agreed to see her. He and her GP are obviously hoping that he will be able to talk her out of publicly humiliating herself.

 

[dafydd]

including that this is the age of experiences, and everyone is going to have them.

No. Most of us do not suffer from rampant pareidolia.

 

[Pixel42]

I also clarified what actually happened.

You stated that "Alderbank admitted to me that voices are scary, and declined listening to the more serious (evil) threats that were recorded a couple of years ago." That is your memory of what happened, which Alderbank has disputed. I find Alderbank's account far more credible than yours.

 

[Pixel42]

Most of us do not suffer from rampant pareidolia.

Well we do, but we recognise it as such.

 

[SezMe]

... and he knows that I am holding back until the last minute.

I don't understand. Holding back what? What is the last minute?

 

[Alderbank]

Thank u. We were water logged but it was a great learning curve (we purchased a better tent for next week)

Yes I would have liked to gone for prizes, but I don't have the time for now. I do state in B & W all the time that any money would have and still will go to Charity at the request of the spirits.

I do realise that I cannot hand over any evidence via the web. I did try with jsf, and truth is, I did initially hear a constant drone right the way through his recording. He also gave over a brief description of "constant rainfall and a whirring fan noise" All I can say is it altered.

To be honest Jack, I deleted whatever was sent to me, I'd given up asking for help here as it was upsetting the spirits.

Lately I've been working on how to get the story out via the media. It isn't as simple as reporting it. I do understand that wherever I go with this it is judged as some crazy delusion. Now that I'm ready for the media, Rev B has decided to further investigate, which is all I'd requested in the first place. This is a weight off my mind.

If Alderbank (the fearless) would like to come and watch how the spirits tuned into Mr Roberts computer, and hear it out (yes its pretty scary) I'd be happy to show him this. If Alderbank would like to be present during the meet with the Rev B and Rev Lady J (from this diocese) he is also very welcome.

Alderbank admitted to me that voices are scary, and declined listening to the more serious (evil) threats that were recorded a couple of years ago. If he feels that there are absolutely? no voices present, then he has nothing to fear at all by observing this latest ability of theirs, and nothing to lose by observing our meet with the Rev's.

I don't mind updating folk on this thread, but I don't want to ruffle feathers and lets be honest, this thread is out of hand. I dislike the rudeness. Constructive criticism is good, and helps me to understand what the GP explained what I would be up against. I have to say this though, for what these spirits have done for me, and what I believe they can do for mankind, its worth my swallowing the rudeness.

I am still gathering folk here to witness this first-hand, and like I say, Alderbank has been the only observer so far to claim that there were no voices present. I am on observer 15 now (2 more to come this week.. strangers btw) It is a lot easier since June, now that I can show them Mr Roberts experiences as well as my own.

Seriously, if Alderbank wishes to come and observe this (I'll pay his costs) if he can suggest a logical explanation regarding this latest phenomena, I'd be interested in hearing this.

Thanks for the invitation, flaccon. I'd be delighted to attend and observe and I don't need any expenses. It will be interesting to see how your other guests react to your demonstration

 

[Cassidy]

I'm guessing the church.

If flaccon is serious about going to the press that would certainly explain why a priest has finally agreed to see her. He and her GP are obviously hoping that he will be able to talk her out of publicly humiliating herself.

I'm very serious, hence gathering what I can this past month. I've gathered some genuine support, enough to have the press take it serious, including a letter from the GP. The Church have known about this letter and the press for quite some time now.

I am not humiliated by any of this, whatever the outcome.

 

[chillzero]

I don't need a new laptop to rid the voices, I need a new laptop to hopefully separate my Fathers voice from the rest of the spirits. The recent mobile phone incidences are recorded and ready to be observed. I do not fear mobile phones any more. I have tried for 13 years to ignore their contact, due to believing it was a continuation of demonic manipulation. It is not.

This does nothing to allay my concern, and I still feel it should be discussed with the GP. Perhaps you could print out my post above, and this one, and bring it with you?

I have an appointment tonight with the GP. I cannot tell him that I'm distressed by any of this. I was initially terrified yes, but after the healing and their explanations I'm no longer cautious or afraid.

I think you should explain this to him.

I am happy to see what unfolds. I actually have no choice despite folk thinking I do have choice. Despite the dis-belief (and understandably so) the main spirit here actually does have the ability to control my very blood flow. After healing me, and explaining his reason for contact, I do trust him implicitly. How can I not? I would certainly reject anything negative if I could see anything negative. Its been nothing but positive so far.

Please consider also placing your trust in a medical professional - and please consider the CBT therapist.

I do remain calm at all times during explanations to anyone. The GP does not feel psychiatry would benefit this situation. I also do not feel psychiatry would benefit this situation. I would gladly seek medical help if I could see a benefit from doing so. We, et al believe it is a matter for the Church to deal with.

I am not talking about psychiatry. There is a difference between psychiatry and other forms of counselling and therapy. Please consider the CBT therapist - discuss the option with your GP after explaining the things you have told us about here. Tell him that you hear additional voices on the phone. Tell him that you feel there are spirits in your laptop. Ask him to help you speak to an evidence based person who can help you work your way through understanding what's happening. CBT therapists are paid to listen to you and to help guide you to find your own way forward. This could be really gpood for you, and important for you. Most importantly, it is not about drugs, or intervention, or anything other than discussing your feelings, experiences and concerns with a qualified person.

 

[Cassidy]

Thanks for the invitation, flaccon. I'd be delighted to attend and observe and I don't need any expenses. It will be interesting to see how your other guests react to your demonstration

That's great thanks also. If you wish you can pay an informal visit whilst scrappy is over here, see whats happening to scrappys computer and my mobile phone, and of course later date, observe the more formal meeting between my family members and the Rev'd's. It should go as well as can be expected.

 

[Pixel42]

I'm very serious, hence gathering what I can this past month. I've gathered some genuine support, enough to have the press take it serious, including a letter from the GP. The Church have known about this letter and the press for quite some time now.

I am not humiliated by any of this, whatever the outcome.

Sadly it is not us that judge whether or not we have been publicly humiliated, but society at large.

You will certainly be able to find someone working on a paper somewhere (notice I do not use the word journalist) who will listen to you and publish your story but that doesn't mean he or she will take it seriously, and the result is very unlikely to be the kind of publicity you are hoping for.

Please listen to chillzero, she is trying to help you. So are your GP and the priest who has agreed to meet you. So am I, and so is Alderbank. The kind of reporter likely to take an interest in your story, however, will not have helping you high on their agenda.

 

[Cassidy]

This does nothing to allay my concern, and I still feel it should be discussed with the GP. Perhaps you could print out my post above, and this one, and bring it with you?


I think you should explain this to him.


Please consider also placing your trust in a medical professional - and please consider the CBT therapist.


I am not talking about psychiatry. There is a difference between psychiatry and other forms of counselling and therapy. Please consider the CBT therapist - discuss the option with your GP after explaining the things you have told us about here. Tell him that you hear additional voices on the phone. Tell him that you feel there are spirits in your laptop. Ask him to help you speak to an evidence based person who can help you work your way through understanding what's happening. CBT therapists are paid to listen to you and to help guide you to find your own way forward. This could be really gpood for you, and important for you. Most importantly, it is not about drugs, or intervention, or anything other than discussing your feelings, experiences and concerns with a qualified person.

Forgive my ignorance, and thank you for correcting me. I must research CBT, I assumed it was psychiatry. I have placed my trust in the GP, he is in medical profession. I will mention this tonight, and let you have his take on the idea. Sorry I have to sign out for now (dentist) Thanks.

 

[scrappy]

I am relieved that flacon has finally made progress in the right direction, its good news.

 

[bluesjnr]

I am relieved that flacon has finally made progress in the right direction, its good news.

You just couldn't stop yourself, could you?

Now that you've went against flaccons, not unreasonable, request to butt out for the time being would you be good enough to tell us what the "right direction" is; according to you?

 

[scrappy]

You just couldn't stop yourself, could you?

Now that you've went against flaccons, not unreasonable, request to butt out for the time being would you be good enough to tell us what the "right direction" is; according to you?

why should I butt out? flacon asked me not to get involved because it floods the thread with nonsense. The right direction in my opinion is the Church hood.

 

[desertgal]

I am relieved that flacon has finally made progress in the right direction, its good news.

Do you think you could back out of the thread for a while longer? Your posts just confuse things more.

 

[Pixel42]

The right direction in my opinion is the Church hood.

And if the good Reverend tells her the same thing we've been telling her all these months - that she's misinterpreting mundane experiences as evidence of the supernatural - what will your opinion be then?

 

[scrappy]

And if the good Reverend tells her the same thing we've been telling her all these months - that she's misinterpreting mundane experiences as evidence of the supernatural - what will your opinion be then?

can only cross that "if" bridge if we come to it

 

[Pixel42]

can only cross that "if" bridge if we come to it

You can't foresee what your reactions to different possible events would be until one of them actually occurs? Why ever not?

Many sceptics have described what evidence would be required to convince them of the reality of various paranormal/supernatural phenomena, and how they would react if it was ever produced, on this and other threads. The inability of most believers to even imagine the circumstances which would cause them to reconsider their beliefs, let alone how they would react should those circumstances occur, is very telling.